Not a Step posted:

frankly a black Muslim who can talk about economic matters is probably exactly what the Democratic Party needs right now to address the false dichotomy of social justice versus economic justice.

Tatum Girlparts posted:

this is not a civil war, not everything is a civil war, nothing is decided right now, this is an election. Do you think Ellison is too incompetent to make his advantages clear, or do you believe the election will be rigged against him?

Tatum Girlparts posted:

this is not a civil war, not everything is a civil war, nothing is decided right now, this is an election. Do you think Ellison is too incompetent to make his advantages clear, or do you believe the election will be rigged against him?

ate poo poo on live tv posted:

Her husband was the public face of the "concerned parents." So other then being conspicuously silent on the issue, there isn't anything that makes her "active" against the school integration. However with an issue like that, you'd expect a progressive person to be actively against such a thing, unless of course she was ok with it.

resar posted:

I also like calling people who disagree with me mentaly ill.

paranoid randroid posted:

just to summarize the exact way in which a number of people in this thread have fallen prey to severe mental illness, the crux of the current panic attack is that Tom Perez, a guy who many people were outraged about not being selected for VP, because it meant that a True Progressive was being snubbed in favor of Tim Kaine, is in contention for DNC chair. in contention, not appointed by fiat or even universally supported over the whims of the party, but merely in contention.

and this is of course unimpeachable proof that Barack Obama is trying to intentionally cause even further collapses of the party on the national level in order to secure the neoliberal agenda for-ever

loquacius posted:

Anyone asking "what's the problem with Perez, he's fine" is missing the point

There's nothing particularly wrong with Perez (apart from his inexperience at, y'know, running campaigns), but there is no advantage to him over Ellison either; the only reason to support him and the only reason anyone wanted him to run in the first place is a factional power play which spells really bad things for our little Civil War if we lose (it is strangled in the crib)

resar posted:

I also like calling people who disagree with me mentaly ill.

Tatum Girlparts posted:

this is not a civil war, not everything is a civil war, nothing is decided right now, this is an election. Do you think Ellison is too incompetent to make his advantages clear, or do you believe the election will be rigged against him?

Anime Schoolgirl posted:

can we have more posts like this instead of the circular firing squad "this is fine" dogs and shitposting hypochondriacs and everyone in between the two points of the line are perpetuating

i hate to say "wait and see" but this is one of those things we might have to do that because we can't concretely tell if reality has sunk in towards congressional dems yet.

if perez goes in then we can panic and burn down trailers or smth

Tatum Girlparts posted:

yea I don't think she's said anything herself but you'd think someone who prides themselves on being so goddamn woke would maybe at least make a 'ya know me and my husband disagree, that happens in marriages and it's our business' kinda comment.

loquacius posted:

this x1000, even if the bad thing happens w/r/t the DNC chair election we should keep giving Keith a spotlight and megaphone


This election is kind of like if you took a Democratic primary and removed the actual voters from it, ie "entirely decided by backroom dealings"

so not "rigged" per se, more "functioning exactly as intended: to ratfuck people that The Establishment doesn't want"

loquacius posted:

This election is kind of like if you took a Democratic primary and removed the actual voters from it, ie "entirely decided by backroom dealings"

so not "rigged" per se, more "functioning exactly as intended: to ratfuck people that The Establishment doesn't want"

ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:

y'know my goals are probably as socialist as any of y'alls but holy poo poo are some of you batshit panicky

Captain_Maclaine posted:

Yeah, how's about we all take a deep breath and see if we can discuss the DNC chair election without going full Arzy, at least this early on?

paranoid randroid posted:

delusions of conspiracy and persecution are typically signs of mental illness

Not a Step posted:

Its not like its unprecedented.

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/10/11/labor-secretary-advised-clinton-cast-sanders-candidate-whites-turn-minorities

By Tom Perez no less.

ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:

Captain_Maclaine posted:

Yeah, how's about we all take a deep breath and see if we can discuss the DNC chair election without going full Arzy, at least this early on?

ate poo poo on live tv posted:

Her husband was the public face of the "concerned parents." So other then being conspicuously silent on the issue, there isn't anything that makes her "active" against the school integration. However with an issue like that, you'd expect a progressive person to be actively against such a thing, unless of course she was ok with it.

Bushiz posted:

"Chill out, everything's gonna be cool, no need to panic" was the dominant thinking of the general and look where that got us.

Like you can say a bunch of stuff about how it's gonna be totally fine but everyone said it was gonna be totally fine for six months and now look, things are not, in fact, totally fine.

Optimus Subprime posted:

No Xanax no Xanax you're the Xanax

paranoid randroid posted:

like to be perfectly clear, supporting Ellison over Perez is not the problem

the problem is flipping the gently caress and acting like Perezs mere candidacy is proof that the FIX IS IN AND ITS ALL OBAMAS FAULT

paranoid randroid posted:

delusions of conspiracy and persecution are typically signs of mental illness and i am in favor of closing this thread as it causes unhealthy ideations such as these

paranoid randroid posted:

like to be perfectly clear, supporting Ellison over Perez is not the problem

the problem is flipping the gently caress and acting like Perezs mere candidacy is proof that the FIX IS IN AND ITS ALL OBAMAS FAULT

RENEGADE CUCKSKY posted:

whoa, hosed up that unions aren't 100% full of Literal, Actual Saints.

yes, corruption does happen within the sphere of unions in the USA. that does not mean that the capitalist Unions Are Corrupt! talking point is true

fyi two of your googled links are the same thing (a corrections officer union, who are barely a 'union' in the first place (and are absolutely class fuckin traitors) and should be purged from any affiliation (if they have any) with the union movement as a whole), one is the Teamsters, and the other is quite possibly the most dumbass union in the entire country, the Carpenters

showbiz_liz posted:

She had a fuckton but they didn't get covered very well.

Tatum Girlparts posted:

good thing he has the support of many establishment figures as well then, huh? It's almost like Ellison knows this stuff and isn't going to be absolutely crippled by the literal presence of another option existing.

paranoid randroid posted:

like to be perfectly clear, supporting Ellison over Perez is not the problem

the problem is flipping the gently caress and acting like Perezs mere candidacy is proof that the FIX IS IN AND ITS ALL OBAMAS FAULT

Serf posted:

I hate it when people say "things are gonna be okay". like no it is not gonna be okay unless we start doing things and working to mitigate the worst

Bushiz posted:

"Chill out, everything's gonna be cool, no need to panic" was the dominant thinking of the general and look where that got us.

Like you can say a bunch of stuff about how it's gonna be totally fine but everyone said it was gonna be totally fine for six months and now look, things are not, in fact, totally fine.

loquacius posted:

pretend I emptyquoted my earlier post about how this argument is missing the point

Why exactly, I'm curious, do the "take a xanax" people think people were pushing Perez to run, if not as part of a factional power-play? Why do they prefer him over Ellison?

zegermans posted:

Weird how the berniebros are always the first to bring up the sins of the spouse.

loquacius posted:

I'm not 100% sure he's gonna lose already, I'm just worried about the implications if he does

Anime Schoolgirl posted:

if you're going to panic at least go to the DPP thread and take the first steps while doing so.

pretty much. it is possible to be calm and know that things are not going to be okay at the same time

it's like people don't know how to brace under pressure due to how short and fleeting everything is now

Pollyanna posted:

whens the election anyway

Tatum Girlparts posted:

yea I don't think she's said anything herself but you'd think someone who prides themselves on being so goddamn woke would maybe at least make a 'ya know me and my husband disagree, that happens in marriages and it's our business' kinda comment.

Bushiz posted:

"Chill out, everything's gonna be cool, no need to panic" was the dominant thinking of the general and look where that got us.

Like you can say a bunch of stuff about how it's gonna be totally fine but everyone said it was gonna be totally fine for six months and now look, things are not, in fact, totally fine.

100 degrees Calcium posted:

Thanks man I appreciate this nostalgic taste of false confidence I haven't experienced since november 7

ate poo poo on live tv posted:

Yea I know they were the same event, that's why I put them together. Anyway I'm not against unions at all, but much like the police, there isn't much accountability into their leadership, nor the buddying up of union leadership with the very people they are supposed to be a counter balance to.

The reason I even posted those links was because you acted like the story I was told, was completely made up or something and you even invoked jimmy hoffa for some reason and that was a dumb response on your part. If you can't accept the problem with unions, you are going to fall into the same trap the DNC has fallen into.