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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:well you see according to The West Wing S04E11... Season 4 focuses on schools! Sheeeeeeeeittt Ed Balls
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paranoid randroid posted:which is the more Voxy thing - using The West Wing or Game of Thrones to explain politics Parks and Recreation
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Not a Step posted:I have a bottle of Xanax I was prescribed without asking, which I think is the height of whiteness. pretty fuckin much
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:
corruption among unions is vanishingly small, mostly due to the absolute insane amount of regulation and hurdles we have to go through, including quarterly audits, LM reports, etc. we're also continuously, and I mean continuously, monitored and hosed with by various anti-union organizations. it's only 'a problem' because people like you google 'union corruption' and then paste the first few links you find into a something awful post and then say 'WELL ANY CORRUPTION AT ALL IS BAD BECAUSE IT MAKES UNIONS LOOK BAD.' here's a pro tip: literally everything we do makes us look bad to certain parts of the population, including organizing (or "coercion," as they like to frame it), card checks (or "intimidation", as they put it), and strikes (or "union muscle/intimidation") despite being one of the most obnoxiously dumb posters ITT, you sure manage to buy hook-line-and-sinker Chamber of Commerce talking points 
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just wanted to quote this beauty again
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It's not that identity politics is bad per se, it's just that in practice identity politics rhetoric has evolved into antagonistic, impenetrable, off-putting, us-vs-them, zero sum, echo-chamber bullshit that is, in practice, somewhere between useless and counter-productive because creating appealing rhetoric is super important. If practitioners of identity politics could be trusted to talk to normal people in a way that would get normal people to nod their heads they can go right ahead, but instead it's a garbage fire of blathering about white fragility and other assorted stupid poo poo and lol at anyone who thinks that helps minorities or anyone in any sort of practical sense. (IMO)
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Nonsense posted:All I want for Christmas is Mook goddamnit Mariah Carey
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RENEGADE CUCKSKY posted:corruption among unions is vanishingly small, mostly due to the absolute insane amount of regulation and hurdles we have to go through, including quarterly audits, LM reports, etc. we're also continuously, and I mean continuously, monitored and hosed with by various anti-union organizations. it's only 'a problem' because people like you google 'union corruption' and then paste the first few links you find into a something awful post and then say 'WELL ANY CORRUPTION AT ALL IS BAD BECAUSE IT MAKES UNIONS LOOK BAD.' me: "any amount of corruption at all is bad no matter how 'vanishingly small' it is" you: LALALALALALA NO U
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paranoid randroid posted:turns out we should have be referencing Its Always Sunny in Philadelphia... "The gang elects more corporate millionaires and loses forever." *theme song plays*
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Heh, you silly peeps suspicious of the dems are pretty crazy, screwed in the head  *just lived under 8 years of weak, compromised lovely dem leadership and lost what was supposed to be an unloseable election*
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:me: "any amount of corruption at all is bad no matter how 'vanishingly small' it is" no amount of corruption is as bad as You're Posts
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is someone in the fuckin democratic party thread saying unions are bad i skipped posts cause y'all post too much
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Nonsense posted:Parks and Recreation Parks and Recreation is total fiction because it has a Libertarian in it who's likable and can actually do things
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bump_fn posted:is someone in the fuckin democratic party thread saying unions are bad i skipped posts cause y'all post too much hahaha you know it
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paranoid randroid posted:which is the more Voxy thing - using The West Wing or Game of Thrones to explain politics both at the same time
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I'm starting to think Mr. Sexman is trolling. Also I doubt he's really a professional.
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bump_fn posted:is someone in the fuckin democratic party thread saying unions are bad i skipped posts cause y'all post too much yeah we're alll corrupt, and i have just the 4 google links to prove it!
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bump_fn posted:is someone in the fuckin democratic party thread saying unions are bad i skipped posts cause y'all post too much yes "any amount of corruption is bad" somehow equals "unions are bad" according to this thread
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all corruption is bad but pretending that any organization can exist without any corruption at all ever is retarded, and talking about corruptions and unions has been a massive hit-job against not just unions but the idea of unions, to weaken workers and the negotiating power the fact that supposed 'progressives' have fallen for this pretty obvious piece of agitprop is evidence of the sad state of america
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resar posted:both at the same time mm, thats a powerful technique...
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:yes "any amount of corruption is bad" somehow equals "unions are bad" according to this thread Any amount of voter fraud is grounds for Voter ID laws and the closing of all DMVs in majority black neighborhoods imo
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Dec 15, 2016 00:47
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it was only by the grace of my union bothering to actually threaten to strike that i had health insurance for most of my 20s
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:yes "any amount of corruption is bad" somehow equals "unions are bad" according to this thread Clearly you are just asking honest questions and not using allegations of corruption to undermine one of the last bulwarks of popular power.
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All corruption is bad and that's why I'm going to go live in the woods. They have WiFi and central heating in the woods, right?
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rudatron posted:all corruption is bad but pretending that any organization can exist without any corruption at all ever is retarded, and talking about corruptions and unions has been a massive hit-job against not just unions but the idea of unions, to weaken workers and the negotiating power it's almost like that isn't my point at all if you respond to someone saying "here's an actual documented case of a corrupt union official that's was in the newspaper and everything" with "the amount of corruption in unions is vanishingly small so this effectively never happened" people are not going to take you seriously
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bump_fn posted:is someone in the fuckin democratic party thread saying unions are bad i skipped posts cause y'all post too much I will take a bold, but principled stance and say the Police and Correction Officer Unions are BAD. I will also take an equally "crazy" stance and say that criticism of specific aspects of unions, is actually GOOD.
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"I saw a guy from the resistance steal a pack of cigarettes once, maybe they are not all that better than the nazis?"
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Literal fact: Republicans are better at identity politics than Democrats. Their version of identity politics at least isn't loaded with academic gibberish and they're generally better at framing the off-putting part of their identity politics into more subtle and deniable dog whistles. Think about it.
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steinrokkan posted:Clearly you are just asking honest questions and not using allegations of corruption to undermine one of the last bulwarks of popular power. I'm trying to get union supporters to make better arguments, which will increase their effectiveness and strengthen the labor movement in this country this obviously means I hate unions and want to see them destroyed
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steinrokkan posted:"I saw a guy from the resistance steal a pack of cigarettes once, maybe they are not all that better than the nazis?" liberals.txt
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:it's almost like that isn't my point at all I'm not trying to make a point that unions are bad, but let me hold unions to an impossibly high standards and make a big scene out of each one of their slip ups.
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bump_fn posted:it was only by the grace of my union bothering to actually threaten to strike that i had health insurance for most of my 20s sorry, gotta scrap the whole thing now
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steinrokkan posted:"I saw a guy from the resistance steal a pack of cigarettes once, maybe they are not all that better than the nazis?" Was he a leader of the resistance stealing the pack of cigarettes from other members of the resistance and then telling them if they don't like it they can go join the nazis?
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y'all are literally making the "it's just a few bad apples" arguments that copfuckers do except you're doing it for corrupt union officials, no matter how rare a breed those officials might be this. is. a. bad. thing.
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:I'm trying to get union supporters to make better arguments, which will increase their effectiveness and strengthen the labor movement in this country Ahh, we need less solidarity, more political messaging. Fits in with your broader theory of the case that the "lowest common denominator" will catch on if we say "economic democracy" or whatever.
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Let's all sit in a circle in a park so I can tell you about a movement more concerned with process than actually accruing political power called Occupy Wall Street. We'll call a lot of things problematic
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Joementum posted:Ahh, we need less solidarity, more political messaging. Fits in with your broader theory of the case that the rubes will catch on if we say "economic democracy" or whatever. We need solidarity and better messaging. Don't be disingenuous.
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:I'm trying to get union supporters to make better arguments, which will increase their effectiveness and strengthen the labor movement in this country You are trying to get union supporters to spend all their energy on defending a potentially infinite number of inconsequential minutae of local office politics, while the very institution of organized labour is being viciously attacked from all sides, including the supposed progressive left.
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this messaging is making me thirsty
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:y'all are literally making the "it's just a few bad apples" arguments that copfuckers do except you're doing it for corrupt union officials, no matter how rare a breed those officials might be except something tells me there's a bit of a difference between cops and union officials you're making lovely tired arguments and then backpeddling and claiming devils advocate when people point that out
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steinrokkan posted:You are trying to get union supporters to spend all their energy on defending a potentially infinite number of inconsequential minutae of local office politics, while the very institution of organized labour is being viciously attacked from all sides, including the supposed progressive left.
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