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MikeCrotch posted:Does anyone have that picture of the Thirty Years War soldier in short shorts sitting down on a stump or something, where the artist has clearly lovingly depicted this dudes juicy thighs and bulging calves? it was posted by rodrigo in the medhist thread  art posts start here: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3529788&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=99#post455443914 e: 
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JcDent posted:Early modern slashfiction is weird
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Chillyrabbit posted:Someone talked about rebellion against the government somewhere mostly in the context of america. Rebelling against the government is really hard, you have to legitimately be in such desperate straits that going up against a strong government is preferable to the alternative (starvation, genocide, poverty. etc.). On the other hand if the government is so weak it topples with a push then rebellion is a very viable prospect. This holds even in the ACW if you contextualize it within the socioeconomic structure of the South - Land-owning slaveholders were basically the pinnacle of social and economic society there, because of how dependent on agriculture the entire southern economy was. The planter mythos meant they were seen as the heirs, in spirit, of the founders and their physical presence (big plantations, shipments of crops, huge houses) in Southern geography meant you couldn't really go without seeing their influence unless you were basically on the frontier. The growing abolitionist sentiment in the country at large meant that those socioeconomic underpinnings were put at risk, since slave labor was the reason those plantations were capable of the agricultural output driving the livelihood of the average southerner regardless of whether they owned slaves. Slaveowners already had the status, so when they started rallying people to their cause, it was by raising the spectre of poverty, of social upheaval, the idea that freeing slaves would result in something approaching genocide since freedom was talked about as a zero-sum affair where even the poor white sharecropper could feel like a stakeholder in that structure because even when they couldn't make ends meet they still had someone beneath them. The desperation was undoubtedly a sham and a massive public relations coup, but it wasn't like the slaveowning upper crust driving those fears were just rich folks in the modern sense - they were the societal pillars of their day so when they said things it carried weight.
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SeanBeansShako posted:Soldiers Of The Past: THIGHS, CALVES AND BOOTY EDITION.  in hindsight, Cosmopolitan would have made a better template...
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Dude, you should really credit Enormous Hats Monthly when you rip off their covers, not cool actually very cool Trin Tragula fucked around with this message at 18:17 on Dec 14, 2016 |
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JcDent posted:Early modern slashfiction is weird Nenonen posted:
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PittTheElder posted:I love this page
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PittTheElder posted:I love this page  who are we to judge?
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Ainsley McTree posted:I will never not laugh at a windows joke in this thread agreed, Hey Gal, is it somehow possible to link your original description of the window shooting incident.
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FAUXTON posted:I can't believe you didn't go with "Windows Troubleshooting" No, it's perfect as is.
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WoodrowSkillson posted:agreed, Hey Gal, is it somehow possible to link your original description of the window shooting incident. http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3585027&pagenumber=219&perpage=40#post434333206 Like a fine wine, it only improves with age
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FAUXTON posted:This holds even in the ACW if you contextualize it within the socioeconomic structure of the South - Land-owning slaveholders were basically the pinnacle of social and economic society there, because of how dependent on agriculture the entire southern economy was. The planter mythos meant they were seen as the heirs, in spirit, of the founders and their physical presence (big plantations, shipments of crops, huge houses) in Southern geography meant you couldn't really go without seeing their influence unless you were basically on the frontier. The growing abolitionist sentiment in the country at large meant that those socioeconomic underpinnings were put at risk, since slave labor was the reason those plantations were capable of the agricultural output driving the livelihood of the average southerner regardless of whether they owned slaves. Slaveowners already had the status, so when they started rallying people to their cause, it was by raising the spectre of poverty, of social upheaval, the idea that freeing slaves would result in something approaching genocide since freedom was talked about as a zero-sum affair where even the poor white sharecropper could feel like a stakeholder in that structure because even when they couldn't make ends meet they still had someone beneath them. The desperation was undoubtedly a sham and a massive public relations coup, but it wasn't like the slaveowning upper crust driving those fears were just rich folks in the modern sense - they were the societal pillars of their day so when they said things it carried weight. Ah ha, I took a course about the ACW and it slipped out of my grasp the reasoning behind the poor white southerns joining in the rebellion, I remember discussing it mainly in the context of sources that there were not going to have too many literate southern sharecroppers with their letters or thoughts that they wrote down (if they could) surviving until now.
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Hogge Wild posted:it was posted by rodrigo in the medhist thread I'd like to point out that this guy is not a 30 years war soldier, but a soldier of the Italian Wars, a vastly more interesting set of conflicts with better outfits. Another soldier with huge thighs has appeared. 
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Something to remember about the ACW is that non slave owning farmers benefited in ways beyond just being up a notch on the totem poll. Slaves got rented. A guy who couldn't afford slaves of his own could frequently afford to hire s few for the labor intensive part of his season as long as the agricultural calendar of his crops didn't overlap with that of the slave owner. A local plantation was a labor boon for the whole region.
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Cyrano4747 posted:Something to remember about the ACW is that non slave owning farmers benefited in ways beyond just being up a notch on the totem poll. Slaves got rented. A guy who couldn't afford slaves of his own could frequently afford to hire s few for the labor intensive part of his season as long as the agricultural calendar of his crops didn't overlap with that of the slave owner. A local plantation was a labor boon for the whole region. And even if your particular profession had no need for cheap labor, you were likely still working for or selling things to the plantations, or buying cheap crops and products built with slave labor, etc. It wasn't just a regular economy with a bit of slavery added to the mix, it was a slave economy through and through. In the hill country that was poor and disconnected from the slave economy Unionism held out.
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Cyrano4747 posted:Something to remember about the ACW is that non slave owning farmers benefited in ways beyond just being up a notch on the totem poll. Slaves got rented. A guy who couldn't afford slaves of his own could frequently afford to hire s few for the labor intensive part of his season as long as the agricultural calendar of his crops didn't overlap with that of the slave owner. A local plantation was a labor boon for the whole region. The wealthy plantation owners also used plain 'ol racism to get the poor whites on their side: they spread horror stories of how letting the negroes go free would let them all rape your women, kill your children, and steal your stuff! By viewing free blacks as a dangerous threat, they willingly fought to keep them enslaved. In general, the whole reason poor whites support the modern Republican party despite it working directly against their interests almost 100% of the time is because the wealthy whites at the top of the heap directed their fears and anger at blacks and immigrants instead. It's not the rich people keeping you down! It's those dirty dark-skinned people taking your jobs and robbing your stores! Vote for us to get rid of them and live your life!
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chitoryu12 posted:The wealthy plantation owners also used plain 'ol racism to get the poor whites on their side: they spread horror stories of how letting the negroes go free would let them all rape your women, kill your children, and steal your stuff! By viewing free blacks as a dangerous threat, they willingly fought to keep them enslaved. still pretty much the discourse today
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chitoryu12 posted:all rape your women, kill your children, and steal your stuff! Liberated slaves turn into 30yw mercenaries overnight.
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JcDent posted:Liberated slaves turn into 30yw mercenaries overnight. Have you SEEN how many windows are in a plantation house?!?
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Rodrigo Diaz posted:I'd like to point out that this guy is not a 30 years war soldier, but a soldier of the Italian Wars, a vastly more interesting set of conflicts with better outfits. drat the girl is seriously thicc too.
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gohuskies posted:drat the girl is seriously thicc too. The cherub's the most  part. Like dear woodblock artist, you ain't fooling anyone with that, drat cherub looks like a first round O-Line pick.
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Chillyrabbit posted:Ah ha, I took a course about the ACW and it slipped out of my grasp the reasoning behind the poor white southerns joining in the rebellion, I remember discussing it mainly in the context of sources that there were not going to have too many literate southern sharecroppers with their letters or thoughts that they wrote down (if they could) surviving until now. My landowning but too poor for slave-owning ancestor sent letters back during the war. I don't recall any self-reflection, but it's been a long time since I went through the (non-original) copies. He volunteered at the outset. Keep in mind that at least parts of the south instituted a draft, too. You could buy your way out it by convincing some poor sap to take your place.
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RC and Moon Pie posted:My landowning but too poor for slave-owning ancestor sent letters back during the war. I don't recall any self-reflection, but it's been a long time since I went through the (non-original) copies. He volunteered at the outset. Oh right, the ransom policy was what made the whole affair so drat cynical. Let's you and him go fight the Yankees, I'll pay y'all when yins get back. You're drat right I had a slaver say yins.
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Fun fact: if you owned 20 slaves, you were exempt from the draft for some reason!
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PittTheElder posted:Fun fact: if you owned 20 slaves, you were exempt from the draft for some reason! C'mon CSA, at least pretend it's about states' rights.
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Rodrigo Diaz posted:I'd like to point out that this guy is not a 30 years war soldier, but a soldier of the Italian Wars, a vastly more interesting set of conflicts with better outfits. gohuskies posted:drat the girl is seriously thicc too. FAUXTON posted:The cherub's the most 
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PittTheElder posted:Fun fact: if you owned 20 slaves, you were exempt from the draft for some reason! Ah, but you see, without someone there supervising, the slaves would get out of control! (The North also let rich people buy out of the draft.)
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