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BarbarianElephant posted:Looking at your rap sheet - "Oh my Yahweh shut up about Christianity already." sounds more like you overdid it on the monomaniacal god-bashing rather than SA being the Secret Lair of the Evangelical Right. I overdid it on criticizing the Chosen One. I said that I felt her campaign was overly pandering to Christians. It was all "God this and Jesus that" especially with the choice of Kaine. The FCC should have fined David Brooks for public masturbation because of how he was getting off on the God-and-Flag talk presented there. People called me a bigot for that, like they called me a bigot for supporting Bernie Sanders, like they called me a bigot for saying that you can't have social justice without economic justice. AA has had it in for me ever since I talked about my time as an antifa activist. Now there are a multiple threads on leftist activism where people are all, "Have you heard about this antifa thing? They might be cool and seem to know some poo poo" but until Hillary lost the election (and lost bigly) that sort of talk was absolutely probatable. EE just thinks I'm a troll because I'm outspoken and will occasionally engage in rhetorical shifts to demonstrate the absurdity of my opposition. Taken in a vacuum, those absurd posts can seem trollish. No hard feelings there, even if he is also a hillbot.
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Azuth0667 posted:I tried to watch some TYT and shut it off 3 minutes into it. All of their people have a condescending tone and they all act smug as gently caress. TYT is garbage but it was fun seeing their reaction to Trump's victory
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Pirate Radar posted:Don't a bunch of major European countries still have Christianity as their state religion, or have explicitly Christian political parties in power (looking at you, CDU/CSU)? By Constitution, Germany is a Christian country. Great Britain is explicitly not only a Christian Country, but a Protestant, Anglican Country. France is, by constitution, a secular country. As is America. As is Turkey. In High School, my history teacher would argue that the non-secularism of Germany meant that Germany was functionally more tolerant than countries like America or Turkey. Because reality deconstructs itself, every thesis creates its own antithesis as a matter of necessity. In "legally mandated" secular countries like America and Turkey, you can win bigly by appealing to religious voters who feel persecuted. Placating that extreme faction by giving them a state religion renders them toothless. My advanced history teacher also taught the Catholicism class and also had a "complex" issue with right wing ideology since his father was a bad enough dude to have served serious jail time for his Nazi war crimes. That means he met his father for the first time when he was a teenager and his father loved to beat (and implied but never explicitly stated also maybe rape?) him. I'm saying it's not an unbiased thesis, especially in light of the rise of the far-right in Europe. But in the '90s the postmodern approach made a certain amount of sense and I'm still not sure it's totally wrong. Edit: Dude's father voted CDU his entire life. The unrepentant Nazi thought the CDU was just great. My teacher also hated the CDU. TBF, she's never courted the Neo-Nazis but Neo-Nazi musicians have created unironic odes to Merkel. I imagine that's fallen off as she's gotten more mainstream but it was there at one time. Shbobdb fucked around with this message at 07:49 on Dec 15, 2016 |
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Ragnar34 posted:I need someone to walk me through the logic of "Now that Trump is president, you're allowed to say Merry Christmas again." I need someone to give me a no-poo poo, good faith rundown of what Obama was doing to prevent anyone from saying "Merry Christmas" with only a little bit of invective at most. Is there a law? Is there going to be a law? Did a bunch of private companies put out notices about updated company policies re: saying "Happy holidays" in Trump's America? Employees were not allowed to say Merry Christmas so as to avoid "offending" customers. This is due to the PC culture that was perpetuated by Obama's presidency and liberal dominance over the media.
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Decided to check in on Levin for the first time since the election. He's even more unhinged and hilarious now since the GOP got their victory but not in a way Levin approves of. He spent the first part of the show laying into Trump about Russia and Putin. Then he shifts to comparing it to Obama "interfering" in the Israeli election because liberal Jews in the US supported an anti-Likud non-profit in Israel. Then he started talking about how terrible it is that Aleppo is being flattened as if he cared about human rights or the horrors of war at any previous point in time. All of this was pretty unhinged and funny, but what happened before/after the first break was just magical. It's like nearly smoking gun evidence of him having paid shill callers. Two people called up on either side of the break, and each hit the exact same talking points with the same phrasings: 1. little "D" Democracy 2. the electoral college being genius wisdom of the founders 3. George Washington warning about two-party politics Now, the thing is, I'm fairly certain that while you're on hold you get the feed of the show piped to you. So this paid shill caller had clearly gotten his paid talking point wires crossed with another paid shill caller, but wasn't listening to the show so he didn't realize it or something. Now, this could just be his callers being incredibly stupid, but the way the calls matched in terms of order and in terms of specific phrasing was eerie. I thought I had accidentally rewound back before the break.
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twistedmentat posted:Santa is a Christian part of Christmas because he went out and murdered a bunch of people at what I think was supposed to be the Council of Nicaea. Wait, what? 
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Mister Macys posted:Wait, what? That's not true. However, St. Nicholas became a saint in large part because he punched Arius at the council of Nicea because of Arius' non-trinitarian beliefs. You may have heard of Arianism (not to be confused with Aryanism) as a major heresy in the early church. That's what it is about. A lot of early depictions of St. Nicholas have him in chains because he was put in prison after he knocked out Arius. However, Arius's faction was sufficiently cowed so what we understand to be a normal Christian (there are very few non-trinitarian sects of Christianity) is in no small part due to jolly old St. Nicholas having a strong right hook.
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My bad, I completely forgot Santa is loosely based on an actual saint.
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Shbobdb posted:By Constitution, Germany is a Christian country. Great Britain is explicitly not only a Christian Country, but a Protestant, Anglican Country. It's definitely an interesting argument. Do you agree with it, though? Sorry if I'm not reading well today but I didn't see that here.
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Pirate Radar posted:It's definitely an interesting argument. Do you agree with it, though? Sorry if I'm not reading well today but I didn't see that here. I'm sympathetic to that thesis and feel there is a truthiness there. But there are a lot of holes in it and the person who first presented it to me was clearly damaged and also clearly had an agenda. I put it in the same bucket as Prester Jane's "narrativism" thesis. It provides insight and explanation of a world that is both politically very real and also one I have no meaningful understanding of. It also seems to map very well with the data we have in a post-hoc kind of way. In both cases, the models have a great postdictive r^2, but so what? You can make any equation fit the data. I'm less convinced their equation will have predictive potential. In both cases (my advanced history teacher and Prester Jane) there is clearly a personal component. When I've criticized Prester Jane it's because I feel her personal bias is magnified by an exponent. Same deal in the case of my history teacher. In the case of my history teacher, I feel like Reagan/Thatcher and their new world order has really hosed his thesis. And the Neoliberal salve that Clinton/Blair/Schröder applied made it linger a little longer. But that's where it gets hard in the social sciences. ~40 years postwar to break then ~40 years to now. Seems compelling but if you go backwards and try to extrapolate by the same magnitude you are totally hosed. I'm gonna go with my main thesis, that "all politics is local" and that "the past is a foreign country" so any model that holds over a sufficiently long time is necessarily suspect.
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Shbobdb posted:I overdid it on criticizing the Chosen One. I said that I felt her campaign was overly pandering to Christians. It was all "God this and Jesus that" especially with the choice of Kaine. The FCC should have fined David Brooks for public masturbation because of how he was getting off on the God-and-Flag talk presented there. I literally just got back from a solstice dinner run by a local atheist group, and I'm still rolling my eyes at you for this poo poo. gently caress, if that's how you were posting back then, I probably would have probated you too.
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Pikavangelist posted:I literally just got back from a solstice dinner run by a local atheist group, and I'm still rolling my eyes at you for this poo poo. gently caress, if that's how you were posting back then, I probably would have probated you too. I'm sorry that my criticism of religious pandering offends you after you got back from a religious service. But what does that have to do with anything?
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Shbobdb posted:I'm sorry that my criticism of religious pandering offends you after you got back from a religious service. But what does that have to do with anything? Literacy is not your strong suit, is it?
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Pikavangelist posted:Literacy is not your strong suit, is it? There are plenty of nontheistic religions.
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On the one hand, this argument going on seems pretty dumb and off topic On the other hand, this is the first time I've checked in on the thread in like 2 weeks where it wasn't a full page of obsessing about some sad cartoonist so it's welcome at least
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Epic High Five posted:this argument going on seems pretty dumb and off topic Despite the change of pace, you're right. I humbly apologize to this thread for not paying attention to Shbobdb's big red title, as it was clearly well earned.
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Click my probation for my anti-Christian bigotry. Go back to page 538. Read forward. I stand by my statements and pretty much all the people who called me out where either crazy hillbots who got permabanned because they couldn't live up to the toxx or are well-meaning but naive crusaders who are a hammer seeking a nail and that nail is "racism" like Trab. I'm cool with what I wrote and stand by it. But we wouldn't want to offend the religious element, since nakedly pandering to them gave us President-Elect Hillary Clinton.
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Shbobdb posted:Click my probation for my anti-Christian bigotry. Go back to page 538. Read forward. I stand by my statements and pretty much all the people who called me out where either crazy hillbots who got permabanned because they couldn't live up to the toxx or are well-meaning but naive crusaders who are a hammer seeking a nail and that nail is "racism" like Trab. Did Rushbo or Levin say this or smtg
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Epic High Five posted:Did Rushbo or Levin say this or smtg My favorite part of re-reading that thread is people saying, "Free speech means you can be a Nazi! It's self correcting, look at Trump. He will lose because he is a Nazi so it's OK to express Nazi sympathies. Your argument against self-limiting free speech is worse than Nazism! If you had your way, people like Trump might win an election!" I've had some probations where I was exaggerating for show and I get how that might deserve a few hours. But the fact that Hillbots who are "just asking questions" about how maybe "it was black men who stabbed Hillary in the back so maybe instead of an leftward economic policy Dems should reconfigure policy to gently caress over black men to cater to the obviously present white racist misogynistic vote" get 6 hours probation and I'll get weeks after this post should maybe give you pause. Especially since the people now calling for a totally rational, triangulated black genocide are the same people who were screaming at what a racist I was for not being sufficiently enthusiastic about Candidate Hillary Clinton.
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Shbobdb posted:My favorite part of re-reading that thread is people saying, "Free speech means you can be a Nazi! It's self correcting, look at Trump. He will lose because he is a Nazi so it's OK to express Nazi sympathies. Your argument against self-limiting free speech is worse than Nazism! If you had your way, people like Trump might win an election!" ok cool i genuinely appreciate you taking the time out of your day to explain all your sixers to me
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I'll bite; got a link to this thread? Call me naive, but I have to admit to being a little skeptical of goons calling for deliberately loving minorities. Especially since, during the first week of Trump's victory, USPOL was nothing but people saying that fighting racism should've been reason enough alone to vote Hillary, and voting (or not voting) for one's own reasons/staying home was literal racism. Mister Facetious fucked around with this message at 10:17 on Dec 15, 2016 |
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Shbobdb posted:By Constitution, Germany is a Christian country. Great Britain is explicitly not only a Christian Country, but a Protestant, Anglican Country. It's... really not, though? See article 140 of said constitution, which incorporates a number of articles from the previous Weimar constitution: https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_gg/englisch_gg.html#p0862 posted:(1) Civil and political rights and duties shall be neither dependent upon nor restricted by the exercise of religious freedom. The closest thing you'll find to an explicit religious aspect is a (non-denominational) reference to "god" in the preface of the constitution, but nothing of the kind in the actual text.
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Play it cool posted:Employees were not allowed to say Merry Christmas so as to avoid "offending" customers. This is due to the PC culture that was perpetuated by Obama's presidency and liberal dominance over the media. Turns out that the enemy in the war on Christmas was capitalism the whole time.
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Pirate Radar posted:I should browse with avatars on more often, I guess. I honestly don't know how you remember anyone without a picture of like... Well, Julio Jones beating the poo poo out of a Ninja... or Yoda loving luke on Degobah... or Peyton Manning taking a poo poo into Tom Bady's mouth. For real, this is how most of us recognize each other.
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The whole war on Christmas thing is funny to me because the only people to ban Christmas in this country were other Christians. technically, Puritans, but still Christian
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Chilichimp posted:For real, this is how most of us recognize each other. It's seriously Grace Jones every time I see it. I know it's not. But my brain never stops turning it into Grace. Every drat time.
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Tony Phillips posted:It's seriously Grace Jones every time I see it. I know it's not. But my brain never stops turning it into Grace. Every drat time. The video it's from is a loving roller coaster of various pop culture references, so I'm not unconvinced they weren't TRYING to make him look like Grace.
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Get your calenders out! Hannity and Hercules quote:
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That movie should be delightfully awful. It's kind of a shame how willing Kevin Sorbo is to star in absolutely terrible movies as long as it talks about Jesus enough, he was really cool as Hercules.Epic High Five posted:On the other hand, this is the first time I've checked in on the thread in like 2 weeks where it wasn't a full page of obsessing about some sad cartoonist so it's welcome at least Did someone mention some sad cartoonist? some sad cartoonist posted:Immediately after the election was decided, protests against Trump popped up in several cities. Protesting makes perfect sense if you think Hitler just came to power in your country. You must stop Hitler! Trump continues to disavow white nationalists, except for the one he appointed as his loving chief strategist. Trump tweeting stupid and insane poo poo is actually good, because the media is bad.
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Hercules is literally a member of the pantheon of a polytheistic ancient religion Next up, the adventures of famous atheist historical figure, Zeus
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There are exceptions for anything sufficiently traditional, or masculine, or even just deniably-homoerotic.
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Sorbo's next project will just be old episodes of Hercules with the word "Jesus" dubbed over anytime someone says "Hercules" and "God" anytime someone says "Zeus." The last episode will be completely new, however, with Jesuscules slaying the evil Jews with the cross they were going to crucify him upon, complete with one-liners like, "Don't look so... cross!" and "We all have our crosses to bear!" and "Why did the Jew cross the road?!" Bruce Campbell will also show up. As himself. Someone will ask him to cough up one of his old Evil Dead one-liners and Campbell will start to cry, softly.
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Screaming Idiot posted:Sorbo's next project will just be old episodes of Hercules with the word "Jesus" dubbed over anytime someone says "Hercules" and "God" anytime someone says "Zeus." The last episode will be completely new, however, with Jesuscules slaying the evil Jews with the cross they were going to crucify him upon, complete with one-liners like, "Don't look so... cross!" and "We all have our crosses to bear!" and "Why did the Jew cross the road?!" 
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sweart gliwere posted:There are exceptions for anything sufficiently traditional, or masculine, or even just deniably-homoerotic. A reminder that Hercules was the one who said the argonauts weren't real men because they wanted to hang out loving women instead of loving men.
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I confess I've been avoiding this thread for a month because I was afraid to see how smug Dilbert would get. Was it...as bad as I feared?
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Deified Data posted:I confess I've been avoiding this thread for a month because I was afraid to see how smug Dilbert would get. Imagine the smugness of Garrison with the mental illness of Tila Tequila.
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WarMECH posted:The whole war on Christmas thing is funny to me because the only people to ban Christmas in this country were other Christians. Don't forget Jehovah's Witnesses
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