Cingulate posted:

Your lack of empathy is just a (very common) moral failing on your part. The actual problem is not that, but that you're being stupid, see e.g. misjudging who's in charge and who's in need of sympathy.

Improbable Lobster posted:

I'm Canadian you dumb motherfucker.

Also almost all the papers coming out of China right now are bunk, they are in no way a science suoerpower.

Improbable Lobster posted:

It's really telling that Cingulate thinks Chinese scientists are producing racist studies, that China is the biggest science super power, that there might be some truth to scientific racism and that Donald Trump supporters are cool and it's everyone elses fault that a neo-nazi was elected in the states.

Who What Now posted:

Cingulate please stop pretending you know anything about American politics, it's just sad at this point.

Cingulate posted:

Or just that I'm stupid?

GIANT OUIJA BOARD posted:

It's this one.

Improbable Lobster posted:

I'm Canadian you dumb motherfucker.

Also almost all the papers coming out of China right now are bunk, they are in no way a science suoerpower.

Cingulate posted:

I'd be absolutely unsurprised if Chinese researchers were producing the most racist stuff. In fact, if I were allowed only one guess, I'd predict internal Chinese research is probably on average more racist than mainstream research.

Cingulate posted:

A point I've made here before: for all I can tell, the science on "human biodiversity" is, at least on the core issues of contention, unequivocally undecided. There is currently no clear answer to be had from science. Anything else, from whatever party, is wishful thinking.

Cingulate posted:

I mean, the most important climate science isn't really replicated - it's just, again and again, validated.

ate all the Oreos posted:

A Chinese researcher working entirely within Chinese labs won the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine in 2015, what other milestones are needed before their researchers are legitimate? (This is a serious question not rhetorical sarcasm.)

Improbable Lobster posted:

I'm probably a few years out of date then. Last time I had checked the majority of research coming out of China wasn't making it past the peer review stage after leaving China.

ate all the Oreos posted:

A Chinese researcher working entirely within Chinese labs won the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine in 2015, what other milestones are needed before their researchers are legitimate? (This is a serious question not rhetorical sarcasm.)

ate all the Oreos posted:

Okay sure but that's also not what I'm saying. There's a big difference between "how do we even measure intelligence and what does biology have to do with whatever the hell intelligence is" and "genetics makes [what Americans arbitrarily consider to be ethnically] black people lazy criminals but the pc police suppress the truth because it's unpleasant"

ate all the Oreos posted:

I'd say it's replicated in addition to being validated - a second weather satellite with similar sensors confirms the findings of the first, another team's ice cores are checked against earlier cores for consistency, etc. I guess it's not exactly formal replication in that the exact same experiment isn't being run again but it's "replicated" in the same way that the LHC's finding of the higgs boson was replicated by linear accelerators looking in the same energy region - two different experiments examining the same specific variable and confirming the data. I guess I'd say the difference between that and validation is validation is a different experiment measuring a different thing leading to conclusions that agree with the first's conclusions.

Cingulate posted:

Okay man then I don't get it
There's something wrong with my way of thinking that makes me incapable of getting this point of yours. w/e

Cingulate posted:

Okay man then I don't get it
There's something wrong with my way of thinking that makes me incapable of getting this point of yours. w/e

pookel posted:

You don't see the difference between:

"We are not sure of the exact relationship between genetic causes and intelligence, or even what intelligence is"

and

"So-called 'peer-reviewed science' is dishonestly covering up evidence that white people are smarter than black people, in order to further liberal causes"?

ate all the Oreos posted:

Yeah I think what you're doing is trying to approach it purely scientifically, which is totally valid and I agree with your conclusions, but I'm trying to approach it in a practical "clearly the idea that western science is covering up the truth is nonsense" way

pookel posted:

You don't see the difference between:

"We are not sure of the exact relationship between genetic causes and intelligence, or even what intelligence is"

and

"So-called 'peer-reviewed science' is dishonestly covering up evidence that white people are smarter than black people, in order to further liberal causes"?

Improbable Lobster posted:

Note that there is literally no rational reason to defend the idea as we have no idea how to accurately and consistently measure IQ and the idea of "racial IQ" is 100% the domain of racist hate groups.

Cingulate posted:

No, clearly the idea that western science is (intentionally) covering up the truth (on basically anything) is nonsense - that one should be given.

I'm just saying, I don't see what role non-Western science plays in your particular argument for that here. I thought I recognized the general form of the argument, but it seems I don't.

I don't really see any commonalities between the two.

Improbable Lobster posted:

Cingulate, why have you consistently defended the idea that race "probably" plays into intelligence throughout the entire time that you've posted in this thread?

Cingulate posted:

There is currently no clear answer to be had from science. Anything else, from whatever party, is wishful thinking.

Improbable Lobster posted:

Note that there is literally no rational reason to defend the idea as we have no idea how to accurately and consistently measure IQ

Improbable Lobster posted:

"racial IQ"

pookel posted:

If western science were systematically covering up the truth for reasons of political bias, then presumably non-western science (which brings different political biases to the table) would produce demonstrably different results, and it hasn't.

Avenging_Mikon posted:

I used to think Cingulate was a well-meaning individual using pedantry to make things less echo-chambery. I know think he's simply a bad person, and put him on ignore. It has increased my quality of life. He's like tl;dr, only with fewer MRA talking points.

BENGHAZI 2 posted:

IQ tests don't reliably measure poo poo because they're biased as gently caress you stupid rear end in a top hat

ate all the Oreos posted:

He's being pedantic; It measures IQ, which is what he said. He's fully aware that whatever the hell "IQ" is is biased as gently caress

The Vosgian Beast posted:

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Ichabod Sexbeast posted:

We need to show sympathy and understanding and kindness to that person, because that is almost definitely Mr. Mean-Spirited and nothing will piss him off more

Gammatron 64 posted:

I'm not just talking about a couple of fat rednecks. I think installing Clinton as our president now might result in a military coup. Not from the Generals and Defense Contractors, but a lot of rank and file military, FBI and cops loving hate Hillary Clinton.

By and large, the people who have and know how to use guns in this country vote Republican.


I live down south and black people make up like a third of the people I see, work with and hang out with every day

That whole Voter ID thing is pretty loving baffling because loving everybody I know has a driver's license. I know a whopping 1 adult black male with no driver's license, and that's because he's a basement dweller who lives with his mom and plays xbox \ watches anime all day, not because he's black

Ignorant white liberals insinuating that blacks can't drive cars, don't know where the DMV is and don't have the Internet so they can't find it is patronizing as gently caress and it really kinda makes me sick


After the election, I said I was going to change my voter registration from "Democrat" to "Unaffiliated" after how disgusted I was with the Democratic party, but I hadn't done it yet because I gotta mail away to do it. Maybe I should get on that like... now.

Race Realists posted:

i can always count on the Sweet Liberal Tears thread for my daily dose of




i keep meaning to unsub from that thread because i can only take so much , but then i reneg

ate all the Oreos posted:

He's being pedantic; It measures IQ, which is what he said. He's fully aware that whatever the hell "IQ" is is biased as gently caress

The_Book_Of_Harry posted:

As someone who has a history of crushing IQ tests (and yet has been crushed by addiction and poverty), I'm inclined to scoff at the usefulness of measuring IQ.

That said, I am unaware of any useful metric for defining "broad capability" or "general aptitude" or "probability of achieving happiness"

Who What Now posted:

Cingulate please stop pretending you know anything about American politics, it's just sad at this point.

BENGHAZI 2 posted:

The difference cingulate is that you're just loving stupid

ikanreed posted:

Honestly, I just wish the DE would stop coming from inside the thread.

DeusExMachinima posted:

Put Cingulate on ignore if you really can't exercise the self-restraint to ignore him without technological assistance, you loving idiots.

poptart_fairy posted:

It'd help if the same handful of people didn't keep falling over themselves to post endless variations of "gently caress off", which clearly aren't going to be listened to.

Nancy_Noxious posted:

Is cingulate a gimmick account Scott Alexander uses to post here?

poptart_fairy posted:

It'd help if the same handful of people didn't keep falling over themselves to post endless variations of "gently caress off", which clearly aren't going to be listened to.