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I mean they really couldn't let Bunny live siting down and thinking on it. Having her and Maggie both able to cast would have been too powerful... That said I still didn't see this coming and reading the experience of a unit being wiped from existence by the baddie spell... On top of that, the pain that must come from it. Caeser was fully prepared to die, but I don't think he was prepared for Bunny to die. EDIT: If Bunnies remains are still there, she can be decrypted if she can be decrypted, that opens a new plot avenue, and explains why we had to tak esome time to confirm the Pliers have been stolen, to bring the plots all in together. Jillian will attack Transylvito (because Don has been assassinated), Caeser needs the pliers to bring back Bunny, which means they need to get Wanda back, and things start to wrap up. Onmi fucked around with this message at 09:02 on Dec 7, 2016 |
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IIRC the terms of badness were that using forbidden magic would cause her to disband, and disbanded units don't leave a corpse. If I'm misremembering, then maybe having her entire identity unraveled means the Arkenpliers would just bring back a mindless husk. Either way, this feels like a permanent end.Caidin posted:Didn't you need multiple thinkamancers to do the string cut kill or was that just for doing it at range? That's just for range. It was established that a single Thinkamancer could do it by touch, but that it's supposed to be a secret (hence why the spell wiped her out).
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Dec 7, 2016 10:51
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Caidin posted:If you popped an heir that a royal started production on, but the side transitioned out of royalty in the interim, would it still be a royal? The equivalent realworld version would be one of those child kings with a vizier or whatever appointed to make decisions 'in their interest' until they came of age. May not be applicable.
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Dec 7, 2016 13:38
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Today is the 10th anniversary of Erfworld, apparently. That was one heck of a way to celebrate it.
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Dec 7, 2016 22:03
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My guess would be they would use the 3 remaining casters to link up or work together and try to put the remaining strings into a doll, or moll, in an effort or attempt to at least save something of her.
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SugarAddict posted:My guess would be they would use the 3 remaining casters to link up or work together and try to put the remaining strings into a doll, or moll, in an effort or attempt to at least save something of her. Would Maggie have the juice? has turn officially started for Transylvito? I guess she could tap Jeb for juice... Oh. Or there's the Bunny doll that Bill made, the one in the basement.
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Dec 8, 2016 07:49
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Page is up, with about what you'd expect. Nice clothes though.
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Dec 9, 2016 19:42
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Vanna seems more interested in the thinkamancer bullshit that just happened than worried about her own chances of survival here, to judge by that cocked eyebrow. Good think Charlie already knew about that particular trick, I suppose.
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Dec 9, 2016 19:53
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Dec 9, 2016 20:29
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Corpses are intact. I think newly-promoted Overlord Caesar might be persuaded to participate in helping rescue Wanda and retrieve the 'pliers.
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Dec 9, 2016 20:30
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That would complicate things quite a bit. Resurrecting Bunny would probably be the fastest way to piss off the Thinkamancer council, considering in their eyes she's a repeat offender who just leaked state secrets to like three sides.
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Dec 9, 2016 20:52
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Bobulus posted:That would complicate things quite a bit. Resurrecting Bunny would probably be the fastest way to piss off the Thinkamancer council, considering in their eyes she's a repeat offender who just leaked state secrets to like three sides. "Leave her be and in return, as ruler of Transylvito, I will order every witness to sign a NDA on what happened." Assuming Charlie isn't the only one who can write those NDAs. e: "Also, when I eventually kill you all for what you did to my woman, I will do it quickly."
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Dec 9, 2016 21:01
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I'm not saying it's impossible, just that it would complicate things. Especially because we've seen resurrection gets you out of NDAs and other obligations, like what happened with Jack's knowledge of his time with Faq. A resurrected Bunny would be under no obligations to the other Thinkamancers, would probably be justifiably pissed at them for the obligations they kept her under for so long, has already showed she's willing to kill even her own ruler under the right circumstances, and likes to tinker. She'd become basically the unabomber of thinkamancers.
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Dec 9, 2016 21:21
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You're listing a bunch of things that make her return a lot juicer, narratively, than her staying dead.
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Dec 9, 2016 21:36
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I may have been misinterpreting that last bit with the all state judge but aren't the great minds about to pull some bullshit anyway? Long term relations with them may not be a priority before long.
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Caidin posted:I may have been misinterpreting that last bit with the all state judge but aren't the great minds about to pull some bullshit anyway? Long term relations with them may not be a priority before long. Yeah the last we saw of them they were talking about "tying up loose ends", including potentially killing Parson.
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Dec 9, 2016 22:27
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One really good point from the forums:quote:Regarding having Wanda decrypt Bunny... this is the worst case scenario.
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NihilCredo posted:One really good point from the forums: There is at least one exception to that though with Ossomer. Though It seems more likely that she just won't be brought back at all.
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Another counterpoint would be Ansom reflecting that he probably never actually loved Jillian, which is backed up reasonably well in retrospect. I had frankly completely forgotten Jack making a pass at Jillian -- was it actually more than that? He liked her way back when, sure, but that doesn't mean he harbored a secret flame for her still years later. I get the sense that the Decrypted have a lot more free will than you'd expect in some ways. They are certainly bound to Wanda, but that appears to go both ways -- she's intensely possessive of her creations, which for her may well be a kind of love.
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Dec 10, 2016 16:56
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Yeah all the Attuned appear possessive of their Tool's units. It's interesting. Stanley less so, since the hammer doesn't generate the dragons and he has his Knights.
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Update! Still no end in sight for this book. Wonder if he's going to have Vinny convert Jillian's heir and perhaps the city, leaving her to make GK her new capital. Would be kinda poetic to end the story with the reconquest of Gobwin Knob.
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nimby posted:Update! At least we didn't scene switch away and have some direction. Like I mentioned earlier. Things are converging at the trial
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Dec 14, 2016 15:51
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Looks like Caesar is on board for Operation: Decryption.
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Dec 14, 2016 17:51
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Hail Caesar.
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Dec 14, 2016 21:58
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The only real requirement to be king is that you have more guys with swords that are willing to say that you're the king than there are guys without swords who are willing to insist that you're not the king.
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A.o.D. posted:The only real requirement to be king is that you have more guys with swords that are willing to say that you're the king than there are guys without swords who are willing to insist that you're not the king. I don't know if that's necessarily the case in Erfworld. Since units can pop as "noble" or "royalty" you probably need to have one of those flags to be considered a King or Queen. Even if not it'd be an especially hard argument to make with an heir about to be popped(or not).
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That's basically what Stanley was/is going for if you replace king with divine mandate.
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One thing that's not clear is whether "Royal" is a tag a side can have that causes it to pop Royal units, or whether the term Royal only applies to units so that any side with a Royal ruler is Royal by default. If a Prince is traded to a non-Royal side and is made heir apparent, does that side become Royal? Does it become Royal when he ascends to the throne? Do you need to have a King or Queen in charge to pop Royal units? Does a Royal side with a non-Royal heir apparent cease to become Royal if every Royal unit croaks? What if only the Ruler does? Can such a side still pop Royal units? Evidence from the comic implies to me that Royalty is a trait intrinsic to a side which causes it to pop Royals, but also that any side founded by a Royal becomes Royal. Royalty perpetuates itself. I would guess that a Royal becoming Ruler of a non-Royal side makes it Royal. Not sure how the tag can be removed, if at all. If Caesar still pops the heir, I think it will be a Prince or Princess.
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:One thing that's not clear is whether "Royal" is a tag a side can have that causes it to pop Royal units, or whether the term Royal only applies to units so that any side with a Royal ruler is Royal by default. If a Prince is traded to a non-Royal side and is made heir apparent, does that side become Royal? Does it become Royal when he ascends to the throne? Do you need to have a King or Queen in charge to pop Royal units? Does a Royal side with a non-Royal heir apparent cease to become Royal if every Royal unit croaks? What if only the Ruler does? Can such a side still pop Royal units? The Turnamancer's reaction certainly implies that the heir will still be Royal, and that whether the side stays Royal depends on whether he takes over as Overlord or as Regent- in the later case Royalty is still in charge, in the former it's not. Gobwin Knob used to be a Royal side, but it's not now that it has an Overlord instead of a King, so Overlords taking over seem to remove the tag. Whether a side can become Royal hasn't really been explored though; from what I recall the original 99 sides were all Royal, but various sides have stopped being Royal (either because they were founded by a non-Royal like Charlie or because a non-Royal was heir). I don't think there's ever been mention of a non-Royal side becoming Royal.
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Nice character page for Stanley. I feel like we're about to head into the Magic Kingdom
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I'm wondering what the meaning of 'free units' is in that last sentence. Free could be 'no longer captured', but then he goes on to write 'and is paying upkeep' so it might be free upkeep units, decrypted. Would be a bit of a stretch to skip over the jail-break of Wanda, though.
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nimby posted:I'm wondering what the meaning of 'free units' is in that last sentence. Free could be 'no longer captured', but then he goes on to write 'and is paying upkeep' so it might be free upkeep units, decrypted. Meaning Parson and co. are no longer considered Prisoners of Transylvito. Caeser has released them.
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Onmi posted:Meaning Parson and co. are no longer considered Prisoners of Transylvito. Caeser has released them. Jack is decrypted, so no upkeep.
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chippocrates posted:Jack is decrypted, so no upkeep. Yes and he only mentions having to pay upkeep on Parson and Maggie 
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Onmi posted:Yes and he only mentions having to pay upkeep on Parson and Maggie I was agreeing with you...
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Is this the first mention of the Rhyme-o-mancer since the battle in Portal Park? I thought he'd been dusted with the rest of the Beans.
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Otherkinsey Scale posted:Is this the first mention of the Rhyme-o-mancer since the battle in Portal Park? I thought he'd been dusted with the rest of the Beans. No, we've seen that Boromir survived.
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Otherkinsey Scale posted:Is this the first mention of the Rhyme-o-mancer since the battle in Portal Park? I thought he'd been dusted with the rest of the Beans. Did I miss something? Where was he mentioned?
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Huh, I missed him there. That page would have been a really good place to end the book, or at least to insert a chapter break or something. Kyte posted:Did I miss something? Where was he mentioned? In Bonnie's list of
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I remember really disliking this comic back when it was hosted on the OotS site, but I've been giving it a glance now and then thanks to this thread and it's growing on me some. Might give it another chance over the holiday break.
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