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Pigsfeet on Rye posted:That guy is a serious hero for taking action like that. Invasive animals and plants can really devastate ecosystems. Given the user name I'd like to point out the obvious bias here.
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DogonCrook posted:Given the user name I'd like to point out the obvious bias here. Oh poo poo, I didn't think of the name and AV. Mods, change my name to pig killing ornithologist.
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Dec 11, 2016 02:35
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Given the island's small size and rapidly diminishing booby population, the pigs probably would have starved to death eventually anyway, with the only difference being that then the boobies would also be extinct.
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Dec 11, 2016 03:22
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TapTheForwardAssist posted:This could be unnerving or no, depending on the balance of your opinions between environmentalism and animal rights. Did he spell anything with the bodies? 
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Dec 11, 2016 03:33
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WickedHate posted:Given the island's small size and rapidly diminishing booby population, the pigs probably would have starved to death eventually anyway, with the only difference being that then the boobies would also be extinct. The island had crabs too, maybe other life (and presumably plenty of non-endangered bids), so possibly the pigs could've sustained themselves indefinitely once they ran out of boobies. On a darker note, Clipperton also had a pretty grim episode that's kind of a cross between the Batavia Shipwreck's "Lord of the Flies but for real and with plenty of rape" and a "being the Soviet astronaut stuck in space when the government collapses.": quote:The British Pacific Island Company acquired the rights to guano deposits in 1906 and built a mining settlement in conjunction with the Mexican government. That same year, a lighthouse was erected under the orders of President Porfirio Díaz. By 1914 around 100 people—men, women, and children—were living there, resupplied every two months by a ship from Acapulco. With the escalation of fighting in the Mexican Revolution, the regular resupply visits ceased and the inhabitants were left to their own devices.[17] This is one of those historic "no way of knowing" moments, but I vaguely wonder how many folks back on the mainland paused to think "oh gently caress, those guys are still stuck out there with no resupply."
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Dec 11, 2016 03:35
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Dude was willing to go to extraordinary lengths for boobies, and I can respect that. Well, someone had to say it.
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Dec 11, 2016 05:38
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Coucho Marx posted:Dude was willing to go to extraordinary lengths for boobies, and I can respect that. With every pig he gunned down, he visualized the face of one of the legions of people who had made obvious jokes about his career... EDIT: while trying to google up "man eradicates pigs island" I found a few interesting listicles about extirpating invasive species. I know Listverse is kinda generic, but they did a good job on this one and didn't include anything stupid like "#8 will blow your mind!!!" in the subtitle: http://listverse.com/2011/11/20/10-successful-island-eradication-projects/ The key takeaway is that New Zealand is willing to poison the gently caress out of things to get rid of rats. This is what you can accomplish when you lack America's liability culture and/or are driven mad with kill-lust. TapTheForwardAssist has a new favorite as of 07:04 on Dec 11, 2016 |
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Dec 11, 2016 07:01
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Dude is a hero for taking out those feral hogs, those things are a loving menace.
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Dec 11, 2016 08:54
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TapTheForwardAssist posted:This could be unnerving or no, depending on the balance of your opinions between environmentalism and animal rights. Years later this episode provided the loose inspiration for Angry Birds.
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Dec 11, 2016 12:07
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Pick posted:Dude is a hero for taking out those feral hogs, those things are a loving menace. And dangerous. Delicious dangerous menaces.
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Dec 11, 2016 14:14
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Ugato posted:This is often the terrifying through-line when it comes to the death penalty. The police or people involved swear by everything that there was a confession and that the accused is guilty. Like with the Willingham trial that was mentioned a while back - Texas went through some hoops to save face and not have the evidence revisited. You could call the guy scum of the earth (he did beat his wife by everyone's accounts) but the evidence essentially proves that no crime was even committed. But the prosecutor, governor, lead police investigator and fire investigator - even some of the people in town - all just stubbornly stuck with "he got what he deserved." Truth or not. An execution unnerved the people of Michigan so much that they became the first English speaking government in the world to outlaw it. quote:On Sept. 24, 1830, when Michigan was still a territory. Detroit was a dusty town of only about 2,200 people. The killer was Stephen Simmons, a tavern keeper who had been convicted of murdering his wife during a drunken quarrel. He was sentenced to die. Of course that doesn't stop the feds from trying to execute people in Michigan. quote:The last person executed in Michigan under the federal death penalty was Anthony Chebatoris, who was hanged July 8, 1938, at the federal prison in Milan after he was convicted of killing a bystander during a bank robbery in Midland. quote:The conviction of Marvin Gabrion received national attention when he was sentenced to death for the murder of Rachel Timmerman in Newaygo County, Michigan. Prosecutors were able to use the Dual Sovereignty Doctrine to seek a death sentence because the murder took place on federal land.[12] Gabrion is the first person in the United States to receive the federal death penalty for a crime committed in a non-death penalty state since the federal death penalty was reinstated in 1988 as well as the first person to be sentenced to death in the state of Michigan since 1937.[13] The sentence was overturned before being reinstated in 2013. http://www.freep.com/story/news/2015/05/04/death-penalty/26879705/
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He may be the first, but he's not the only. Alfonso Rodriguez was convicted of kidnapping Dru Sjodin, a 22-year-old college student in Grand Forks, ND, and driving her over the border to Minnesota, where he raped and murdered her. Neither state has the death penalty, but because it was a kidnapping over state lines, it's a federal case and the feds sought (and got) the death penalty. If he ever is executed, it's supposed to happen in South Dakota. The conviction was 10 years ago and the appeals process is still ongoing, so who knows what the eventual outcome will be. AFAIK, there's still not much support here in ND for the death penalty - I think partly because of the Catholic population, and partly because of local pride in the crime rate being so low that we don't need it - but no one seemed upset about that outcome.
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Dec 11, 2016 19:28
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Dzohkar Tarnaev (Boston Marathon bomber) got the death penalty in his Federal trial even though we don't have it in Massachusetts. 
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Dec 11, 2016 20:57
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Federal court, federal rules.
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Dec 11, 2016 20:59
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AlbieQuirky posted:Dzohkar Tarnaev (Boston Marathon bomber) got the death penalty in his Federal trial even though we don't have it in Massachusetts. RI fought the feds over a federal death penalty case recently-ish, but I doubt anyone's going to go to bat for Tsarnaev.
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Dec 11, 2016 22:17
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POOL IS CLOSED posted:RI fought the feds over a federal death penalty case recently-ish, but I doubt anyone's going to go to bat for Tsarnaev. It does feel gross to be a pawn in the federal government's ongoing efforts to establish a parallel shadow system to deny "terrorists" the protections of due process and the constitution, no matter how heinous his crimes. Indeed, they have to be heinous or more people would complain about the precedents being set.
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Dec 11, 2016 22:23
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If I were falsely convicted in the United States, I’d rather be sentenced to death than life in prison. Executions can take decades to be carried out, and I stand a better chance of appeal with the death penalty hanging over my head. No one gives a poo poo about falsely convicted persons serving life sentences.
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Dec 13, 2016 11:59
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Platystemon posted:If I were falsely convicted in the United States, I’d rather be sentenced to death than life in prison.
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Dec 13, 2016 16:05
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Zero One posted:An execution unnerved the people of Michigan so much that they became the first English speaking government in the world to outlaw it. I was raised as a Baptist and what really turned me away from it was just the constant hypocrisy I was confronted with. But I'm not trying to bring up that whole  here - just for context. This is very  for me that they had the balls to call the death penalty un-Christian. Not that it really is or isn't, specifically. I just admire them a lot for that. The rest brings me back to but that's nothing out of the ordinary when it comes to topics like this. Thanks for the story/info.
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Dec 15, 2016 12:23
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Ugato posted:This is very Yeah, same. Growing up in the south, that shits been toxic to me all my life, and positive Christianity really makes my heart warm up a little.
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Dec 15, 2016 12:32
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a kitten posted:Hey we had one of those in Seattle. We had a similar one except it was in the river. It's not uncommon for there to be a couple suicides here with people jumping off bridges. Guy went missing for a few weeks and it was presumed he was in the river. Our local waterski show troupe (comprised mostly of teenagers) was practicing in their usual spot. One kid went to grab a ski that was stashed under the pier and out came the decomposed missing fella.
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Dec 15, 2016 17:32
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WickedHate posted:Yeah, same. Growing up in the south, that shits been toxic to me all my life, and positive Christianity really makes my heart warm up a little. I wish positive Christianity wasn't so rare. But perhaps it just seems like it's rare because those that practice don't brag about it or bring it up.
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I went to a funeral yesterday for a distant relative who had been an Anglican pastor. It was a really lovely funeral, and filled with the people whose lives he had made a difference in. And a lot of clergy members. And a bishop. Listening to all the stories of his life, it was another example of positive Christianity. Just a really decent guy doing all he could to make other people's lives better, through the medium of his religion.
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Dec 15, 2016 19:44
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There are a lot of great Christians genuinely guided by doctrine to lead good lives. We just don't tend to see them because the loudest "Christians" are often using it as a guise for some other agenda.
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Dec 15, 2016 19:58
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bean_shadow posted:I wish positive Christianity wasn't so rare. But perhaps it just seems like it's rare because those that practice don't brag about it or bring it up. After a couple of years of that she lost her faith and now she's just a liberal heathen like me. My best friend in college, who was a Mormon? Same story, basically. Most of the "positive Christians" I've known only stopped there briefly on their way to a full deconversion.
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Dec 15, 2016 20:15
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Mr. Rogers never lost his faith, and he may have been the most positive American who ever lived. 
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Jack Gladney posted:It does feel gross to be a pawn in the federal government's ongoing efforts to establish a parallel shadow system to deny "terrorists" the protections of due process and the constitution, no matter how heinous his crimes. Indeed, they have to be heinous or more people would complain about the precedents being set. That's always going to be the problem with getting enough serious support for a constitutional amendment against the death penalty. Something like that takes a lot of people all working tirelessly for a cause, and caring enough about it that they are willing to put years of their life into it. Its tough to get enough people to do that when you look at the kinds of crimes that the typical death row inmate is in for. Its very tough for someone(myself included) to look past the specific person you might be saving from the death penalty, and whether or not they "deserve it". Its a philosophical thing that you can't describe by looking at this case or that case, you have to just say that as a society, its not our place to decide when and when not to take a human life. As others have discussed, its not something even very religious people can seem to agree on.
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I would be comfortable limiting it to the sexually-motivated and/or sexually-sadistic serial killers. We can't cure them, can't help them, and they are a clear and present danger.
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Dec 15, 2016 20:52
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whiteyfats posted:I would be comfortable limiting it to the sexually-motivated and/or sexually-sadistic serial killers. We can't cure them, can't help them, and they are a clear and present danger. They aren't a clear and present danger if they're in prison for the rest of their life though. I mean, I'm never going to lose sleep over a serial killer getting the death penalty, but that's the problem I'm describing. Philosophically I think its wrong, but that feeling will never be stronger than the disgust I feel for those kind of monsters who commit heinous crimes. Its two different sides of myself and I know from experience that the "gently caress that guy, who cares if he lives or dies" side usually wins out in these situations.
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Basebf555 posted:They aren't a clear and present danger if they're in prison for the rest of their life though. Honestly, for the most henious killers - your Bundys, Gacys, Ridgeways, Corlls, those types, it doesn't bother me at all. No more than putting a rabid dog down. Wait, bad analogy, it's not the dog's fault.
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With DNA testing being more of a thing these days, I hope we can better sort innocent people from the truly guilty, and sometimes even then shady things go on. There is an organization dedicated to pursuing these kind of cases (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innocence_Project) and they published a book by the same name which goes over well what kind of things can cause an innocent person to be put behind bars for decades or even be executed under faulty eyewitness testimony, bribed and crooked lab techs, and overzealous prosecutors and judges who want to be re-elected. Its a very sad but fascinating read and I highly recommend it.
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whiteyfats posted:Honestly, for the most henious killers - your Bundys, Gacys, Ridgeways, Corlls, those types, it doesn't bother me at all. No more than putting a rabid dog down. Wait, bad analogy, it's not the dog's fault. Problem is it looks very likely we can attribute a large portion of murders to brain damage or defects. Also the legal definition of insanity aside, thinking a dog is satan and telling you to kill people doesnt strike me as necessarily their fault anymore than a dog biting a dude cause he has rabies.
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DogonCrook posted:Problem is it looks very likely we can attribute a large portion of murders to brain damage or defects. Son of Sam was full of poo poo, though. The actually crazy ones - Richard Chase, for instance, are usually caught pretty quick.
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whiteyfats posted:I would be comfortable limiting it to the sexually-motivated and/or sexually-sadistic serial killers. We can't cure them, can't help them, and they are a clear and present danger.
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Dec 15, 2016 21:49
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whiteyfats posted:The actually crazy ones - Richard Chase, for instance, are usually caught pretty quick. I dunno about the specific case of the Son of Sam, but in general a lot of the Hannibal Lecter-esque serial killing genius is kind of a myth. Most would be caught pretty quick if not for dumb luck and police gently caress ups, so how long they manage to evade capture isn't great evidence for culpability. Besides, being insane doesn't always impair your ability to function in society and make plans.
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WickedHate posted:I dunno about the specific case of the Son of Sam, but in general a lot of the Hannibal Lecter-esque serial killing genius is kind of a myth. Most would be caught pretty quick if not for dumb luck and police gently caress ups, so how long they manage to evade capture isn't great evidence for culpability. Besides, being insane doesn't always impair your ability to function in society and make plans. As with most things the truth seems to be somewhere in the middle. If we're talking about the legal definition of insanity, there really is a big difference in how an insane killer usually operates compared to those that aren't. Someone like Richard Chase, who only killed because his schizophrenia made him believe that he needed to drink human blood to survive, was not in a position to think things through to the extent that he'd be burying bodies or trying not to leave fingerprints. His victims were targets of opportunity, because his delusions would become so powerful in certain moments that he couldn't control them. He was caught because he left giant palm prints all over his last crime scene. A lot of famous serial killers aren't like that at all, they carefully select their victims, and that's why you see a lot of them killing prostitutes. They have places where they choose to bury bodies because they want them to be undiscovered for as long as possible. Some even have special kits that they bring to a planned murder and think every aspect of it through ahead of time. Its a very different kind of person and its much more difficult to catch a killer like that. Doesn't mean they're some sort of Hannibal Lecter-type genius though.
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Another piece of an unidentified Jane Doe has been confirmed as the mother of the unidentified baby in the LISK case. https://www.longislandpress.com/2016/12/13/unidentified-murder-victim-dubbed-peaches-linked-to-gilgo-beach-killings/
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pookel posted:I don't care about those guys' lives. I DO care about giving the state the power to kill them, though. The government shouldn't be in the business of murdering people. It's not murder, though, murder is the unlawful taking of a human life. It's lawful.
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whiteyfats posted:It's not murder, though, murder is the unlawful taking of a human life. It's lawful. 
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pookel posted:I don't care about those guys' lives. I DO care about giving the state the power to kill them, though. The government shouldn't be in the business of murdering people. Governments kill people all the time and in huge numbers.
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