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Hemingway To Go! posted:isn't there any chance to hope? you tell me .png)
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Guy Goodbody posted:I said before that elections should be replaced with endurance races. People mocked my ideas at the time, but that was when everyone was sure Clinton would win. I guarantee you Trump wouldn't have won an endurance race Gary Johnson would have won easily.
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Hemingway To Go! posted:A lot can happen in two years and nothing electionwise that happened this year was expected, isn't there any chance to hope? it's more a matter of what seats are up than anything else, but yea it's not literally impossible to do better than expected. At this point, though, the bar is so low just holding steady would be a 'win'. Ellison is a smart guy who knows the game, unless the bed is really shat pinning an election everyone expects to be weak for us not being a miracle.
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I guess I just don't really see where local/governor stuff becomes important since the order of supremacy becomes feder Al > state > local
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Pomp posted:i'm going to spend my entire adult life disappointed in left wing leadership for consistently being spineless centrists, aren't i we can just find common ground if we just try our darndest [looks to find common interests in corporate greed] well there it is, what do you say? you can't be petulant and not give it a chance, its our way to champion the people and move forward obviously
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Pollyanna posted:I guess I just don't really see where local/governor stuff becomes important since the order of supremacy becomes feder Al > state > local It prevents a constitutional convention, allows for non-insignificant progress to be made in individual states, and also creates a base from which politicians for higher office can be chosen.
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Pollyanna posted:I guess I just don't really see where local/governor stuff becomes important since the order of supremacy becomes feder Al > state > local State governments make state laws, local government makes local laws. Arkhams Razor posted:It prevents a constitutional convention, allows for non-insignificant progress to be made in individual states, and also creates a base from which politicians for higher office can be chosen.
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Dec 16, 2016 00:57
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:State governments make state laws, local government makes local laws. But why make local laws if they're superceded anyway?
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Dec 16, 2016 01:01
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Pollyanna posted:I guess I just don't really see where local/governor stuff becomes important since the order of supremacy becomes feder Al > state > local A strong party is built from the bottom up, not the top down Having a lot of Dems in state and local governments means we've got a lot of Dems with resumes and records ready to run for higher offices, as well as a strong base of fundraisers, volunteers, and political operatives all over the country. Also, a lot of things that can potentially affect national elections - like drawing up districts and setting elections rules - are handled at the state level rather than federal
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Pollyanna posted:I guess I just don't really see where local/governor stuff becomes important since the order of supremacy becomes feder Al > state > local Constitutional Amendments can be implemented by a vote of 2/3rds of state legislatures, but even barring that outside possibility: Federal politicians usually start out as successful local/state politicians. (Keith Ellison for example was in the Minnesota House of Representatives for a while.) State law almost certainly has a bigger effect on your day-to-day life than federal law. State law can also effect federal elections. (Everything about when and how an election is run, registration/ID requirements, polling locations, etc., may well have to meet federal standards but those decisions are made by the states.) Also state legislatures handle Congressional redistricting in most states. So getting some state houses on side before 2020 is kind of the key to not, you know, getting gerrymandered to hell again.
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Dec 16, 2016 01:04
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Pollyanna posted:But why make local laws if they're superceded anyway? 99.9999% of local laws aren't ever superseded because the state and federal governments have other things to do with their time than interfere in parking regulations in Bumblefuck, MS unless they're Obviously hosed Up.
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Main Paineframe posted:A strong party is built from the bottom up, not the top down 
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:99.9999% of local laws aren't ever superseded because the state and federal governments have other things to do with their time than interfere in parking regulations in Bumblefuck, MS unless they're Obviously hosed Up. It's true. Local zoning laws - that the state would never care - gently caress with my life on a daily basis more than pretty much any other law.
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Dec 16, 2016 01:06
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frankly unless a city legislature is mandating that municipal buildings display racial slurs on giant flashing billboards or something of that nature there's no reason for Federal or State supremacy to even enter the discussion
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Dec 16, 2016 01:07
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The people in your city government have a much greater impact on your daily life than the guys in D.C. Barring something incredible happening, the easiest way for Democrats to demonstrate that they can actually make things better instead of just talking about it all the time will be via local and state governments.
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Dec 16, 2016 01:08
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HannibalBarca posted:you tell me I know someone who's going to be paying for close attention to the Arizona seat. 
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Pollyanna posted:But why make local laws if they're superceded anyway? Theyre superceded when they are in conflict, and even then only if the states or feds want to make an issue of it.
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Dec 16, 2016 01:10
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"Sorry Madame Ambassador, the President can't meet with you about the crisis in your country, he has to sign off on these Pickens County, Alabama school board regulations first."
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Dec 16, 2016 01:11
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Penisaurus Sex posted:The people in your city government have a much greater impact on your daily life than the guys in D.C. Which is probably going to involve primarying complacent democratic officials in urban centers.
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Dec 16, 2016 01:11
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State/local races are super important and there's a lot of them that the Democrats can win in 2018. The whole reason we're in this mess right now is because the DNC let state parties wither on the vine, allowing Republicans to scoop up all those seats and consolidate power
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Dec 16, 2016 01:15
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Pollyanna posted:But why make local laws if they're superceded anyway? because despite the republicans invoking it in the worst ways, the separation of powers is super important to how this country works
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Dec 16, 2016 01:16
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Tatum Girlparts posted:because despite the republicans invoking it in the worst ways, the separation of powers is super important to how this country works people like to bitch about the system being broken, but thats because the system doesnt correct for soul-crushing incompetence and apathy. get involved
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Dec 16, 2016 01:18
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like seriously I'm surprised someone in C-SPAM didn't know how the whole local < state < federal thing works, although the fact it was a poster in the Dem thread is a perfect summary of How We Got So hosed in the first place really did you think it took an Act of Congress to fund trash collection in your city or what?
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Dec 16, 2016 01:19
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Democratic governors can also capitalize on things like shifting away from coal, which is where the market is already trending due to natural gas. It's not much, but we need to keep momentum rolling there and on other progressive issues with popular support (minimum wage). Indiana is even moving in that direction, despite the state government trying to ignore alternative energy to the best of their ability. The rest of the midwest, including Wisconsin and Michigan, have governor's seats open, and that will be important to figuring out how our appeal is shaping up come 2018. Stauch the senate bleeding, try to position for a house takeover for 2020, attend utilties commissions and demand as a ratepayer that inefficient coal be phased out in favor of cheaper alternatives. Governors and attorneys general can also sue the Trump Administration to gum up their regulatory rollbacks, like the GOP did to Obama. It's gonna suck, but we can't give up. http://midwestenergynews.com/2016/12/13/experts-with-trump-in-white-house-states-and-cities-must-lead-on-energy/
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Dec 16, 2016 01:20
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listen, Pollyanna, I'm actually not trying to mock you, I'm seriously confused and rather stunned that you weren't taught this by some person somewhere
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The Kingfish posted:Which is probably going to involv[/img]e primarying complacent democratic officials in urban centers. I got a few suggestions. [timg]http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/districts/StatewideOverview_Legal[1].gif[/timg]
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Dec 16, 2016 01:23
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There's also poo poo like what the North Carolina legislature is trying to do now, to effectively outlaw the Democratic Party there, that needs attention paid.
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Be careful, if you say New Jersey three times Fishmech shows up to talk to you about bus routes.
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Dec 16, 2016 01:31
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Agean90 posted:people like to bitch about the system being broken, but thats because the system doesnt correct for soul-crushing incompetence and apathy. get involved yeah democracy assumes that on some level the people involved actually give a poo poo about anything going on
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Dec 16, 2016 01:32
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*stands in front of bathroom mirror* New Jersey New Jersey New Jersey
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just gonna post a reminder post that all politics are local and if ur whining about perez or whatever itt then u better be going to local meetings or are otherwise involved in ur local dem party otherwiese 
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Dec 16, 2016 01:39
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I think we're done here.Kraps posted:https://twitter.com/DavidYankovich/status/809543392732581888 See you guys on the otherside.
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Dec 16, 2016 01:44
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bump_fn posted:just gonna post a reminder post that all politics are local and if ur whining about perez or whatever itt then u better be going to local meetings or are otherwise involved in ur local dem party otherwiese surely I can primary rahm Emanuel without getting a shiv in the back
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MizPiz posted:I think we're done here. Democratic spite is going to doom our country, not Trump's idiocy.
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Penisaurus Sex posted:Democratic spite is going to doom our country, not Trump's idiocy. isn't trump's idiocy literally the reason for this
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Yinlock posted:isn't trump's idiocy literally the reason for this Hillary Clinton's incompetence.
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Yinlock posted:isn't trump's idiocy literally the reason for this 
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:frankly unless a city legislature is mandating that municipal buildings display racial slurs on giant flashing billboards or something of that nature there's no reason for Federal or State supremacy to even enter the discussion the opposite has happened in Texas, where city regulations prohibiting discrimination by businesses against minority groups in places like Austin were nulled by state legislation
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The Kingfish posted:Hillary Clinton's incompetence. is her incompetence somehow responsible for donald trump being a loving idiot
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am i not allowed to criticize donald j trump without prefacing it with 20 disclaimers about how this is all hillary clinton's fault
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