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infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Subjunctive posted:

I use Bullfrog

Why?

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Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


Eej posted:

ain't no pride in having beent to prince george

I'm just saying, if you have a $1,500 truck note and pay $500 rent, you might be from prince george.

the talent deficit
Dec 20, 2003

self-deprecation is a very british trait, and problems can arise when the british attempt to do so with a foreign culture





Powershift posted:

look at this guy who's never been to prince george outside metro vancouver

smoke sumthin bitch
Dec 14, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

PT6A posted:

Yeah, but if I had a tesla I wouldn't have to deal with this CARBON TAX which would've cost me slightly over $2 when I filled my car up today. $2 to the socialists in Edmonton? How will the people of this fair province cope???

I'm still not sure how people manage to become so upset about the carbon tax.

well first of all Canada absorbs a poo poo load more co2 then we produce, like 2-3x easy. that means we pay a tax to "compensate" for other countries emmissions. the whole thing is a huge ponzi scheme and wealth transfer. a anti-human regressive policy meant to consolidate wealth and power, theres no other ways to put it. Also a litteral a death sentence for poor people in third world countries

Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001

Health Services posted:

The Herbert Norman affair was utterly shameful.

It feels that the same bureaucratic mistakes are being repeated over and over again. So much resources and effort is being expended on systemic surveillance, with roughly zero useful analysis being done afterward. Even on its own terms, it's a failure. They are the drunk looking for lost keys under a lamppost because that's the sort of visible, measurable effort that gets a promotion.

I gotta say that I'm not entirely surprised the Privy Council authorized wiretaps either because in 1952 they were openly musing about the pros and cons of charging a former United Church minister who was pro-PRC with treason (which would have meant he would have been executed).

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
where is swagger/melian/whatever to defend this

apatheticman
May 13, 2003

Wedge Regret
http://globalnews.ca/news/3130409/calgary-area-greenhouse-owners-say-ndp-policy-pressure-killed-their-business/?sf46962240=1

Paul Hotchkiss is a rich gently caress who had a green house as a side hobby, he never ran his business properly because it was a vanity project. He wants to travel, he also really hates the NDP so guess what happens when he tries to wind down his vanity project?

quote:

You couldn’t come up with better policies to crush not only small farms, but I think small Alberta businesses in general,” said Paul Hotchkiss, owner of Hotchkiss Herbs and Produce.


Eat the rich

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
Fuel is cheap now compared to what it used to be, so gently caress knows how these businesses were running for so long, when apparently the carbon tax will ruin them.

Maybe these pricks should save some energy for if/when the government actually does something worth complaining about.

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨


To improve the generation mix of the power consumed off the grid, and to add to the economics of renewable generation and encourage further investment in it. One house's footprint probably doesn't matter much, but neither does the small premium.

Postess with the Mostest
Apr 4, 2007

Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes
Bizarre. If the gas pump asked if you want to pay an extra $10 for $5 dollars worth of carbon offset credits whenever you fill up, I'm presuming you'd say heck yeah?

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

Postess with the Mostest posted:

Bizarre. If the gas pump asked if you want to pay an extra $10 for $5 dollars worth of carbon offset credits whenever you fill up, I'm presuming you'd say heck yeah?

Assuming I used gas pumps, possibly. What would be my source for the $5 version of the change in generation mix here? I'm not aware of one, but I'm willing to endure clever barbs to learn more.

Are you arguing that I shouldn't want to do it at all, or that I should do some work to get it cheaper?

Professor Shark
May 22, 2012

Wistful of Dollars posted:

Pretty sure that the essay i wrote when I was 16 was more thought out and helpful than this libertarian nonsense.

A pathetic man who I know through a friend grew up very poor until his mother dated a guy with money. For a few years he got to know the good life, living in a large house with a pool in a good area, then the break up happened and he returned to living his old life.

He writes long Facebook posts about how the people living on assistance (his mother) are leeches on society and the working class (his father) are paid too much, with high minimum wages killing businesses. He has been trying to break into working for the Conservative Party for years and travels the country working temporary, minimum wage jobs and writing lovely opinion articles for free on crazy Far Right websites that I've never heard of. He also presents at workshops and conferences, I have no idea.

When he needs money he contacts family and begs for ticket money home, then lives off them until he lines up another job in Toronto/ Montreal/ wherever, then disappears for a few months or a year.

If he wasn't such an rear end in a top hat to everyone, both online and real life, I'd feel bad for him.

cowofwar
Jul 30, 2002

by Athanatos

Redflagdeal slumlord spotted

cowofwar
Jul 30, 2002

by Athanatos

Health Services posted:

It's not exactly news that the deeply reactionary RCMP security branch compiled dossiers on hundreds of thousands of Canadians during the Cold War, but having proof that wiretaps were authorized by the Privy Council is surprising and extended for decades beyond the nominal reason for surveillance is significant.


Worth putting into the context of recent reporting by Vice and Justin Ling about the push by current security agencies to erode privacy protections.



One of the things has stuck with me from reading some about the history of the Canadian security services is that they have generally had very limited, dim, and frankly intellectually uncurious outlook on what actually constitutes a security threat. They spent a lot of effort monitoring what they considered 'subversives', mostly First Nations groups, people advocating for gay rights, students that joined socialist clubs, academics, environmentalists, and what remained of the Communists after the 1950s.

But they basically had to be hit over the head by Igor Gouzenko to recognize the reality of Soviet espionage, and I suspect that's hardly changed in recent years--certainly, the professional class that staffs the security services has more formal education nowadays--as they spend hundreds of millions of dollars trying to convince mentally ill people to commit crimes, move resources away from investigating organized crime, and don't seem to have any success or any will to fight money laundering. It doesn't seem like there's much in the way of efforts to deal with espionage from China, but I'd be happy to read reports contradicting that. But when it comes to First Nations groups standing up for their rights, the RCMP will be right there to stop them!

Maybe instead of taking away Canadians' rights, CSIS, CSEC, RCMP, and FINTRAC should stop being poo poo at their jobs.
Uncovering Russian or Chinese plots is difficult. Oppressing traditionally persecuted "others" in society is easy.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
Thanks to a lovely pseudoairline I can now fly cheaper to three shitholes, and one city that would be nice to visit if and only if it were the complete opposite season.

https://www.google.ca/amp/business....p?client=safari

Hmmm, yes, I think I'll go to Halifax in mid-January, because the weather in Calgary just isn't quite lovely enough for my tastes!

RBC
Nov 23, 2007

IM STILL SPENDING MONEY FROM 1888

smoke sumthin bitch posted:

well first of all Canada absorbs a poo poo load more co2 then we produce, like 2-3x easy. that means we pay a tax to "compensate" for other countries emmissions. the whole thing is a huge ponzi scheme and wealth transfer. a anti-human regressive policy meant to consolidate wealth and power, theres no other ways to put it. Also a litteral a death sentence for poor people in third world countries

lol what

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe

cowofwar posted:

Redflagdeal slumlord spotted

To quote the big short, this guy is a gold plated rear end in a top hat. Check out the rest of his articles, especially the one where he says Pope Francis is wrong to condemn low wages

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

🙃

quote:

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau invited five dozen Liberal Party donors to an official dinner in honour of Chinese Premier Li Keqiang in September – giving them the opportunity to mingle with senior cabinet ministers and top officials of the Chinese government.

Among the guests were former Liberal cabinet minister Raymond Chan and Toronto consultant Richard Zhou – the party's main fundraising emissaries to the Chinese-Canadian business community.

Many of the Liberal donors have direct dealings with China either through their businesses, law firms, lobbying activities or close connections to the Chinese government, The Globe and Mail has learned.

Several wealthy Chinese Canadians who hosted or attended cash-for-access fundraisers that featured Mr. Trudeau were invited to the Sept. 22 gala dinner at the Canadian Museum of History in Gatineau.

More than 260 guests attended, including 61 donors to the Liberal Party and about 60 Chinese officials accompanying Mr. Li. Senior cabinet ministers such as Finance Minister Bill Morneau, and Mr. Trudeau's senior aides – principal secretary Gerald Butts, chief of staff Katie Telford and deputy chief of staff Jeremy Broadhurst.

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord

Postess with the Mostest posted:

Bizarre. If the gas pump asked if you want to pay an extra $10 for $5 dollars worth of carbon offset credits whenever you fill up, I'm presuming you'd say heck yeah?

What if, I drive a Tesla? and I only charge it on my employers dime?

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Subjunctive posted:

Assuming I used gas pumps, possibly. What would be my source for the $5 version of the change in generation mix here? I'm not aware of one, but I'm willing to endure clever barbs to learn more.

Since you drive an EV, aren't you essentially doing this already?

I think he's suggesting you're paying a 100% cost premium over the actual value of the resource being consumed, presumably on the basis that OPA is paying a significant premium for power generated from renewables (kinda, sorta, maybe).

infernal machines fucked around with this message at 16:21 on Dec 16, 2016

cowofwar
Jul 30, 2002

by Athanatos

quote:

Police union says Matthew Green creating spectacle over carding complaint
The Hamilton city councillor says it was racial profiling. The police union disagrees

Matthew Green's police stop wasn't a case of race-based carding, says the Hamilton police union head. And he's "disappointed" that a Hamilton city councillor is using a constable to "further his own political agenda."

Clint Twolan, president of the Hamilton Police Association, says he's unhappy with the "circus" Green has created in pursuing a complaint against Const. Andrew Pfeifer over a street check.

"I find it pretty disappointing that a city councillor is going down this road and making a public spectacle," he said.

"I find it disappointing that a city councillor would use a venue like this to further his own political agenda," says Clint Twolan, president of the Hamilton Police Association. "I truly do." (Samantha Craggs/CBC)

Twolan made the comments Thursday after Pfeifer's first appearance on the Police Services Act charge of discreditable conduct.

The charge stems from an April 26, 2016 incident when Pfeifer questioned Green for several minutes as he waited for the bus.

Green and his lawyer, Toronto civil rights attorney Selwyn Pieters, say he was unfairly questioned as part of a process that has already been proven to unfairly target racial minorities.

Twolan said it was cold and windy that day, and the officer wanted to make sure Green was OK.

Matthew Green carding forum
Coun. Matthew Green convened a forum last September to address questions around police carding practice. (Kelly Bennett/CBC)

"Basically, it was a well-intentioned stop that occurred to check on Coun. Green's well being, and the allegation is that the stop lasted too long," Twolan said.

Green, a frequent critic of street checks, has a different view.

"I know how I felt," said Green, who filed a complaint with Hamilton Police Service after the incident. "I felt targeted. I felt like it was an arbitrary stop."

'In this case, it was clear. This incident occurred during the day. There's no doubt as to who Matthew Green was and what he looked like.'
- Selwyn Pieters, Toronto civil rights lawyer
It happened when Green waited for a bus on the corner of Stinson Street and Victoria Avenue South.

It was 4 C and windy that day. Green was wearing a blazer, collared shirt and casual pants, he said then.

Matthew Green hires civil rights lawyer for carding hearing
Councillor says he was 'arbitrarily stopped/ questioned' by police
It was around 3 p.m., he said, and he was checking emails on his phone. A Hamilton police officer stopped him and questioned him for several minutes.


Pieters is representing him in the Police Services Act hearing, which began Thursday. The appearance was quick and procedural. Both sides are still sharing disclosure, and will speak via teleconference in late January.

The hearing will include about seven witnesses, Pieters said, and take about a week.

Pieters has handled numerous racial profiling cases, including one of a 14-year-old who Toronto police arrested four times.


The test for racism in such cases is fairly simple, he said.

'What does a criminal look like?' Councillor files complaint over police stop
"Number one, you look at the person's race," he said. "In this case, it was clear. This incident occurred during the day. There's no doubt as to who Matthew Green was and what he looked like.


"Number two, you look at the treatment. How was he treated in his account with police? Number three, you ask yourself if the social context and his race were factors in the negative treatment he experienced. If there's a nexus between his race and the experience, then there's a prima facie case. That's the law."

Twolan said Pfeifer, who has been an officer for about nine years, didn't target Green because of his race, and is anxious to explain why.

Pfeifer charge
Const. Andrew Pfeifer is charged with discreditable conduct under the Police Services Act for "engaging in an arbitrary and unjustified street check."

"He's been waiting an awful long time to be able to give his side of the story," Twolan said. "His interpretation is, you're going to find, completely different from what you've read and heard to this point."

The case comes in the midst of province-wide changes to the way police do street checks, which critics say unfairly targets racial minorities.

The province has passed new laws meant to clarify rules for interactions between members of the public and officers collecting information. Now individual police services, such as Hamilton's, are drafting their own policies.

The Hamilton Police Services board will discuss local progress at a meeting Thursday afternoon.
The quality of policing by city police forces is about as good as that of the RCMP. And by good I mean bad.

What kind of stupid defence is patronizing a professionally dressed man waiting for a bus because it's cold outside (4C). Committed the offence of being underdressed for the weather (while black).

cowofwar fucked around with this message at 16:23 on Dec 16, 2016

MikeSevigny
Aug 6, 2002

Habs 2006: Cristobal Persuasion
I highly recommend this week's Conrad Black column, as Connie no longer even acknowledges that Trump could have flaws, so perfect and wholesome have his last few weeks been. It's the most entertainment you can get out of the Canadian media. I'd say he's angling for a pardon but he might have figured out he has a shot at a cabinet post at this rate.

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
Conrad Black, United States Ambassador to Canada

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

infernal machines posted:

Since you drive an EV, aren't you essentially doing this already?

I think he's suggesting you're paying a 100% cost premium over the actual value of the resource being consumed, presumably on the basis that OPA is paying a significant premium for power generated from renewables (kinda, sorta, maybe).

Sure, but it's only a cost premium if there's a way I could get it cheaper. Otherwise it's like complaining that Loblaws doesn't sell me apples at cost.

I want to improve the generation mix in part because I have an EV. I use an extra ~200kWh/month for the car, and I'd rather not be literally rolling coal.

If there's a more efficient way to add offsetting amounts of renewable power to the grid, I'm all ears. Otherwise the premium doesn't really affect my financial wellbeing, and I'm waiting a while to see how home solar stuff progresses.

Mad Hamish
Jun 15, 2008

WILL AMOUNT TO NOTHING IN LIFE.



cowofwar posted:

The quality of policing by city police forces is about as good as that of the RCMP. And by good I mean bad.

What kind of stupid defence is patronizing a professionally dressed man waiting for a bus because it's cold outside (4C). Committed the offence of being underdressed for the weather (while black).

Because there are many things in the civic structure of Hamilton that are thoroughly rotten to the core.

The tweets this morning on this particular subject were absolutely loathsome. Like gently caress, you idiots carded Hamilton's only black city councillor, this is not going to just go away.

smoke sumthin bitch
Dec 14, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

RBC posted:

lol what

you probably think im crazy or whatever but everything I said is true and accurate. on top of that the carbon money here in quebec is being gifted to corporations, in europe its being used to build coal plants every day (i couldnt make this poo poo up). its reverse socialism. the threat of apocalyptic weather events is being used to limit our rights and freedoms.

Postess with the Mostest
Apr 4, 2007

Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

Subjunctive posted:

Assuming I used gas pumps, possibly. What would be my source for the $5 version of the change in generation mix here? I'm not aware of one, but I'm willing to endure clever barbs to learn more.

Are you arguing that I shouldn't want to do it at all, or that I should do some work to get it cheaper?

I'll argue that you should not want to do it and you could get better for cheaper.

Okay, so the business premise in Ontario is that Bullfrog does create additional windmills and the province would not adjust their windmill plans around them. Let's assume that's true because Ontario overbuilt a shitload of windmills and now abruptly halted plans to build more http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-electricity-plans-1.3780440 Bullfrog essentially sells you Green Electricity Certificates to their installations for about $25/MWh of green electricity.

Now you're subsidizing the creation of more windmills and more oversupply which fucks up electricity costs for the rest of the province because we need to sell our existing oversupply of 80 cent solar, 11 cent wind, 6 cent hydro and 5 cent nuclear to other jurisdictions for 1.61 cents. This cost also gets added on to your electricity bill in the form of higher base electricity prices so at least you pay for it twice. It also ignores and takes money away from the existing "non-green" suppliers that have the best chance of lowering our emissions, large hydro and nuclear.

Cheapest way to achieve better results? Spread the word about how awesome nuclear is, no charge at all. Or invest directly with a co-op or something like https://www.solarbonds.ca/. Or if you aren't super rock hard for renewables, you could get more bang for your buck with something tax deductible like http://www.natureconservancy.ca

And of course bullfrog bugs me because they're just so successful with the marketing. It's like diamonds, the physical object doesn't bother me but the massive marketing and cut throat business around it are offputting. It's so predictable in our society that there would be a gold rush to profit off of Green Guilt.

quote:

Andrew Heintzman is the brother of Tom Heintzman, the president of Bullfrog Power. In his book The New Entrepreneurs he talks about the genesis of Bullfrog.

“The environment was a completely unbranded space. Brands will be necessary to cut through the confusion of competing environmental claims, and there was an opportunity to create the ‘Nike of the environment.”

They knew they had to create a powerful brand that was authentic and would connect with its audience so Bullfrog hired highly acclaimed Bruce Mau Design to develop their look and strategy. Since their inception in 2005 Bullfrog has become a national brand. Bullfrog is, at its heart, a marketing company. They’re selling the idea that clean, renewable energy has more value than the energy that comes from dirty, polluting, GHG emitting power plants.

Except in 2015+ Ontario, those dirty plants are nuclear, large hydro and natural gas, which is necessary to back up wind on calm days anyway.

Postess with the Mostest fucked around with this message at 17:53 on Dec 16, 2016

Lain Iwakura
Aug 5, 2004

The body exists only to verify one's own existence.

Taco Defender

smoke sumthin bitch posted:

you probably think im crazy or whatever but everything I said is true and accurate. on top of that the carbon money here in quebec is being gifted to corporations, in europe its being used to build coal plants every day (i couldnt make this poo poo up). its reverse socialism. the threat of apocalyptic weather events is being used to limit our rights and freedoms.

Just read the ban list here and you'll understand this poster's gimmick:
https://forums.somethingawful.com/banlist.php?userid=158767

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007




smoke sumthin bitch posted:

you probably think im crazy or whatever but everything I said is true and accurate. on top of that the carbon money here in quebec is being gifted to corporations, in europe its being used to build coal plants every day (i couldnt make this poo poo up). its reverse socialism. the threat of apocalyptic weather events is being used to limit our rights and freedoms.

Same but unironically

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

So why is solarbonds better than bullfrog in terms of how it affects oversupply? Isn't adding more solar as bad as adding more wind?

I've looked at them a bit, but I'll admit that a guaranteed 5% return on illiquid bonds made me raise an eyebrow. I may put some money into them in the future, though.

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

:toot:
https://twitter.com/chrizblizz/status/809740962016722944

Hexigrammus
May 22, 2006

Cheech Wizard stories are clean, wholesome, reflective truths that go great with the marijuana munchies and a blow job.

Postess with the Mostest posted:


And of course bullfrog bugs me because they're just so successful with the marketing. It's like diamonds, the physical object doesn't bother me but the massive marketing and cut throat business around it are offputting. It's so predictable in our society that there would be a gold rush to profit off of Green Guilt.



I'm just really impressed that these fucknuts named their green guilt marketing agency after an ecological disaster. Does Wikipedia not exist in the marketing world?

OSI bean dip posted:

Just read the ban list here and you'll understand this poster's gimmick:
https://forums.somethingawful.com/banlist.php?userid=158767

I'll refrain from asking to see its data then.

Postess with the Mostest
Apr 4, 2007

Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

Subjunctive posted:

So why is solarbonds better than bullfrog in terms of how it affects oversupply? Isn't adding more solar as bad as adding more wind?

I've looked at them a bit, but I'll admit that a guaranteed 5% return on illiquid bonds made me raise an eyebrow. I may put some money into them in the future, though.

It's not better, I just meant it would be a better option if you were hellbent on investing in new renewables in Ontario as a means to lower global greenhouse gases. I like solar a little more than wind for oversupply, the sun tends to be shining when we use electricity most. Wish it was cheaper, I've debated getting a rooftop installation as well but I've missed the good subsidies boat.

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Postess with the Mostest posted:

I like solar a little more than wind for oversupply, the sun tends to be shining when we use electricity most.

This seems considerably worse if your argument is we're draining the public coffers to pay 50x the going rate for hydro when it comes from solar.

Postess with the Mostest
Apr 4, 2007

Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

infernal machines posted:

This seems considerably worse if your argument is we're draining the public coffers to pay 50x the going rate for hydro when it comes from solar.

It's not crazy anymore. For big installations, solar pays 19.2 cents and wind pays 12.5. http://fit.powerauthority.on.ca/sites/default/files/2017-FIT-Price-Schedule.pdf

For small rooftop 10kw which is the typical rural thing, 28.8 cents. I pay 25.67 now.

E: All to say, solar is more expensive but we waste less of it so I'd bet it ends up being cheaper for the province at those rates. Not at the 80c crazy initial rates.

Juul-Whip
Mar 10, 2008

RBC posted:

lol what

This is what tar men actually believe.

Tochiazuma
Feb 16, 2007


Yessssssssssss

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011
Was Blizzard notably bad or something?

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord

Arivia posted:

Was Blizzard notably bad or something?

Yes

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Postess with the Mostest
Apr 4, 2007

Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes
I hope this triggers swagger out of retirement

quote:

Charges have been laid against two men by Charlottetown Police, after one of them unlawfully entered a home on Richmond Street Wednesday afternoon.

Police responded after receiving a complaint that someone was pointing a weapon at another person.

A 50-year-old is charged with unlawfully entering a dwelling.

A 19-year-old man is being charged with assault with a weapon. Police say he pointed a pellet gun at the man who had entered his home without being invited.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/prince-edward-island/pei-charlottetown-pellet-gun-assault-1.3898432

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