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That's my point though, it doesn't matter if they get chewed up as long as they chew up the other MBTs at least as badly. Your goal is to get the NATO MBTs off the table, if you can do that then you're golden even if you just traded 2 for one. It's easier for them to do so at close range because its harder for NATO to exploit their greater maneuverability when the t-72 is in their face. No playing peek and poke and stacking the to hit roll in their favor.
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Numlock posted:That's my point though, it doesn't matter if they get chewed up as long as they chew up the other MBTs at least as badly. Your goal is to get the NATO MBTs off the table, if you can do that then you're golden even if you just traded 2 for one. Oh, sure, I wasn't disagreeing, just that it's a totally different mindset to in FoW where you have turns you move and turns you do bad things to the other guy and they're usually mutually exclusive, especially for the soviets. It also pretty much requires you expect to get 4-3 automatically, which is probably pretty accurate for WW3, but, still. As I said, thought, this is their strategy; it doesn't seem like they're unbeatably good. Though, as I said, I've never seen the BMP-horde IRL, so it's possible that really is horrific to deal with (I can kind of see it given how you never lose units until most of it's dead in TY and having to kill 12 BMPs to force a 3+ check seems like it'd make them insanely good at never actually being fully destroyed and consequently giving a disproportionate amount of high-score wins compared to an equivalent T-72 list).
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NTRabbit posted:Shame I buy from the internet and don't have a FLGS - and that store no longer stocks anything from Battlefront - because it's going to make getting those books difficult.
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Arquinsiel posted:I never bought the V3 rulebook because... free mini book for my V2 book. Ah well! I have the mini rulebook from 2011, I think that still counts? NTRabbit fucked around with this message at 20:51 on Dec 15, 2016 |
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From what I've personally seen the BMP horde wreaks American tank lists unless they get night on the mission roll, if they do it's more even. Not seen it action against other NATO factions but I doubt it would be different. Now against infantry the BMP list will struggle because dug in infantry with ATGMs are much harder to kill than BMPs. Dragon ATGMs might be "useless" against T72s but they kill BMPs by the handful.
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Guys. I think something might have infiltrated my workspace while I was putting decals on our first DAK vehicles. Keep an eye out for suspicious activities.  (god drat I like the look of the Tiger I. Does that make me a wehraboo?)
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Sd.Kfz. 270 "Hähnchen" Light armoured reconnaissance vehicle
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NTRabbit posted:Sd.Kfz. 270 "Hähnchen" Light armoured reconnaissance vehicle Now I'm sincerely considering painting up the 1/48 Tamiya panzergrens box I have laying around in white uniforms with orange shoulder patches, and make a small diorama. :P
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Stop considering and start executing. 
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lilljonas posted:Now I'm sincerely considering painting up the 1/48 Tamiya panzergrens box I have laying around in white uniforms with orange shoulder patches, and make a small diorama. :P
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Arquinsiel posted:I was going to say "or you could paint Stormtroopers up in..." and then realised what a terrible idea that was. Ben Obi-Wan Kenobi: These aren't the Desert Rats you're looking for. Oberfeldwebel: These aren't the Desert Rats we're looking for.
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Hey, guys-who-know-more-about-this-stuff-than-me, how well would the assault rifles in CoC represent AK-47s and M16s? My guess it their effective range is probably higher (unlimited?) but they'd still have the trait of having higher firepower at close range?
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Do an immitation Force-on-Force: Range unlimited, but there's an accuracy drop over their range that's listed in the book.
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I wanna check out Chain of Command, and I'm planning to buy a platoon and maybe a couple of vehicles of Germans and Soviets. COC is scale-agnostic, and I figure I'll get either 15mms so that I can also try Flames of War, or 28mm so that I can also try Bolt Action (also because this is my first foray into historicals, and I'm used to painting 28mm, being a Warmachine/Warhammer baby). Two questions: 1) Is FOW or BA a better game? 2) Any recommendations for 15/28mm soldiermans other than the official FOW/BA miniatures?
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1. That's a really odd question since FoW is a much larger scale game than BA. 2. Plastic soldier company and zvezda for FoW, Dreamforge for BA
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Geisladisk posted:1) Is FOW or BA a better game? Apples and oranges really, I would watch some youtube videos of them both. If prefer infantry and more of a 40k or skirmish feel, BA, if you prefer large numbers of tanks etc. go FOW.
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Geisladisk posted:2) Any recommendations for 15/28mm soldiermans other than the official FOW/BA miniatures? West Wind's Forged in Battle line for 15mm, and Berlin or Bust line for 28mm
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If you want to rep the North African campaign for BA/CoC, you can't go wrong with Perry Miniatures.
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For 28mm I've mostly used Perry and Warlord, but also a few Black Hat, though they are very hit or miss. E: seconding that perry's platoon boxes are great starting points if you like north africa, as they come with everything you need. Speaking of north africa, operation TANK! continues, with some brits to oppose yesterday's Germans. Decal stage, then I'll do details and weathering. 
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15mm: Since I had no interest in FoW and you'd never need five of the same tank in BA or CoC I ordered my support sections and vehicles from Skytrex.
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I wish TY stuff wasn't such hell to transport. Why are all the vehicles so goddamn big? 
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spectralent posted:I wish TY stuff wasn't such hell to transport. Why are all the vehicles so goddamn big? dehumanize yourself and face to 6mm   We played that game on a 48"x24" portable folding table with halved movement and weapon ranges.
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I do want to get a load of 6mm stuff at some point but the weirdos at my club play 15mm like the book recommends. They're crazy, I tells ya.
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Polikarpov posted:dehumanize yourself and face to 6mm
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It was a learning game so we were more worried about figuring out how to move and shoot. We did get a set of properly scaled artillery templates from gamecraft miniatures.
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I stopped by my FLGS today to check out what they had for 15mm Napoleonics and AWI. Not much, buuuut they did have a ton of Italieri and Zvezda stuff in 1/72, and man, that stuff is cheap. Someone talk me out of this.
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Never have I ever seen 1/72 played in the US. Also the Zveda plastic dudes that I have is that soft stuff like reaper bones. They're great looking models but I'd rather have it hard. OTOH as I understand it some people use 1/72 vehicles 28mm wargames (in addition to planes usually being 1/72 models) DiHK fucked around with this message at 03:44 on Dec 18, 2016 |
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DiHK posted:Never have I ever seen 1/72 played in the US. Also the Zveda plastic dudes that I have is that soft stuff like reaper bones. They're great looking models but I'd rather have it hard. We have a few guys locally that play Cold War Commander and Blitzkreig zcommander in 1/72. I did notice the difference in the plastic; do you have to pain those differently? Also, 72 would be way to small for 28mm. 48 doesn't even look exactly right.
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I haven't actually seen 1/72 vehicles in play with 28mm, just heard it. Wouldn't 1/48 be too big? I thought 28mm=1/56th. (and 15mm=1/100th) I haven't actually brought my Zveda Samurai out of the box yet (these are the older discontinued series, the new ones are made for Samurai Battles, have big bases, and I think they are in the hard gray plastic but I'd have to dig them out of the closet to see. It looks like Tamiya has discontinued their 1/35th WW2 stuff. It's too bad: I have pipe dreams of CoC in 1/35. .
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Geisladisk posted:I wanna check out Chain of Command, and I'm planning to buy a platoon and maybe a couple of vehicles of Germans and Soviets. I like BA because if I wanted to play battalion sized actions I would play in 6mm and use Blitzkrieg Commander. There's nothing wrong with the 30 man boxes of Warlord plastics and a couple of blisters, or for North Africa the Perry Plastics and a couple of blisters. For tanks Rubicon and Italeri are ok.
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Thundercloud posted:For tanks Rubicon and Italeri are ok. Rubicon are so loving good!
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DiHK posted:I haven't actually seen 1/72 vehicles in play with 28mm, just heard it. 1/48 is too big on paper. However, most 28mm miniatures these days are more like 30mm, and a lot of makers make these hunky beefcakes (looking at you, Warlord), 1/56 tanks actually look smallish compared to the soldiers in them. You'll see this in that 1/56 kits often have driver seats where it'd be impossible to squeeze in a 28mm mini. 1/48 is a compromize where the vehicles gets slightly too big, but they look more correct next to the infantry. The second reason I went with 1/48 tamiya kits for CoC is that they are relatively cheap and a thousand times more detailed than the Warlord plastics, or the various resin kits you can get. After building several resin tanks, I kind of hate them. However, the disadvantage of going with "real" model kits is that they take a lot of time to build, and the tiny plastic details will inevitably get damaged. But they will look better! Also I was doing German tanks, and there are more 1/48 options for Germany than, say, Britain, especially for early/mid war. Now that Rubicon and others are pumping out lots of affordable, easily built and sturdy 1/56 tanks, I'm kind of reevaluationg my position. The options for plastic 1/56 look much better now than just 3-4 years ago. So if I push to expand our substantial German tank park for late war, I might go with some 1/56 kits. But man, there's no comparison how good my 1/48 Tamiya Tiger I looks compared to my Warlord Games 1/56 T-34/85 kit. So if you like the modeling part and want a nice looking tanks, 1/48 remains a reasonable option. But if you want tanks that you can quickly put together and not worry about when you carry them to the club, definitely go with a more wargamery 1/56 brand like Warlord or Rubicon. As for 1/72 "soft" plastic minis, they are somewhat popular in Europe. A cheap option for doing high density armies without going for 6mm. I keep reading that a thinned down layer of PVA glue will help make the softer types more rigid before painting. To be honest I've never seen a 1/72 army look quite a good as a well painted 15mm army, but I've seen some that are bloody close. And if you want to put down a big army for cheap, where the mass of troops makes the look of each individual one less important, it's an attractive option. Another bonus is that 1/72 models are usually more realistically proportioned than most 15mm or 28mm figures, which looks nice even if the details are sometimes a bit more difficult to pick out. 1/72 is cheap enough that if nobody else plays them around you, you can build two opposing armies. That's always a good option for historicals, anyway, since there are so many periods and scales. lilljonas fucked around with this message at 11:25 on Dec 18, 2016 |
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The NVA is coming for Team Yankee and they look cool. I really wish I liked the game because the minis are cool. I just found it too clunky to enjoy. 
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Flipswitch posted:The NVA is coming for Team Yankee and they look cool. I really wish I liked the game because the minis are cool. I just found it too clunky to enjoy. I've read that PSC are apparently doing T-55s first quarter next year sometime, so, if you just want cool tanks they may be an option.
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Flipswitch posted:The NVA is coming for Team Yankee and they look cool. I really wish I liked the game because the minis are cool. I just found it too clunky to enjoy. Links, you horrible person
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On the vehicle scale topic, be aware that many of the new 1/56 kits available from Warlord are actually repacks of Italeri plastic models. Make no mistake, these are models, and have a ton of detail. I got a Pz III and a couple of Shermans and was blown away by the detail on them. As lilljonas said though, they do take time to assemble. And I made this worse because I couldn't decide which variant I wanted to build and therefore magnetized basically everything. 
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Ilor posted:On the vehicle scale topic, be aware that many of the new 1/56 kits available from Warlord are actually repacks of Italeri plastic models. Make no mistake, these are models, and have a ton of detail. I got a Pz III and a couple of Shermans and was blown away by the detail on them. As lilljonas said though, they do take time to assemble. And I made this worse because I couldn't decide which variant I wanted to build and therefore magnetized basically everything. Unfortunately it's hard to know which ones are good. For example, the T-34/85 I mentioned building from Warlord has very little detail at all, especially when I compare it to something like the (much cheaper) Hobby Bossy 1/48 KV-2 that I recently built. And I was not that impressed by the Greyhound or UC from Warlord. But I think both of those are older kits as well. I'm happy to hear that they are improving, though.
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JcDent posted:Links, you horrible person http://www.firestormgames.co.uk/wargames-miniatures/team-yankee-c271199#271505 spectralent posted:I've read that PSC are apparently doing T-55s first quarter next year sometime, so, if you just want cool tanks they may be an option.
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Flipswitch posted:Battlefront are plebs so the only information I've got is from my FLGS: Whatever could you mean. *kicks stack of tanks under chair*
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lilljonas posted:Unfortunately it's hard to know which ones are good. For example, the T-34/85 I mentioned building from Warlord has very little detail at all, especially when I compare it to something like the (much cheaper) Hobby Bossy 1/48 KV-2 that I recently built. And I was not that impressed by the Greyhound or UC from Warlord. But I think both of those are older kits as well. I'm happy to hear that they are improving, though.
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