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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:and boy howdy has talking about how america = oppression theft and brutality has been a winning strategy for the Left ever since
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:turns out saying "no America, you are the demons" leads straight to "and then America voted Republican"
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:do you honestly think they didn't believe in the art of the "useful idiot" of course they do, but lots of the people who scream the loudest about it are comically ineffectual nebbishes who couldn't organize a coke and hooker party in a brothel owned by Tony Montana
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:why else do you think the media signal boosts shame politics in regards to "leftists" because it's easy and cheap, not because the media is a monolith marching to the beat of their shadowy overseers
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:nowadays COINTELPRO is the Russian Hackers of Occupy types. This is a fuckin' gross comparison and you should be ashamed to make it. The FBI hosed up the lives of real people as part of an organized campaign and very intentionally destroyed actual organizations, and they didn't do it just by (maybe) leaking a few private documents. Main Paineframe posted:nah, I was just takin a cheap shot in hopes that maybe I'd stimulate someone's braincells to think about potential other reasons the left might not be super patriotic The left would be better off if we it also had the support of folks who support their values but are also like feeling patriotic, though. So why the hell do you want to try and stomp out discussion of welcoming more patriotic elements into the movement? The left doesn't have to be and shouldn't be a monolith, and patriotism can be an incredibly vehicle for hope and change
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:of course they do, but lots of the people who scream the loudest about it are comically ineffectual nebbishes who couldn't organize a coke and hooker party in a brothel owned by Tony Montana seems to have worked out well for donald trump
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:of course they do, but lots of the people who scream the loudest about it are comically ineffectual nebbishes who couldn't organize a coke and hooker party in a brothel owned by Tony Montana ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:because it's easy and cheap, not because the media is a monolith marching to the beat of their shadowy overseers
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GlyphGryph posted:This is a fuckin' gross comparison and you should be ashamed to make it. The FBI hosed up the lives of real people and very intentionally destroyed real organizations, and they didn't do it just by leaking a few private documents. I said nowadays, genius. Of course they did heinous poo poo back then. In fact they did such a good job of ruining the left they COINTELPRO'd themselves out of a job.
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:porque no los dos no why
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Oh Snapple! posted:how do u pronounce COINTELPRO https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pen3isZj4cM
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Yinlock posted:so since the democrats are following the british labour schedule, how is everyone going to spend the next 4 years of ineffectual coup attempts by ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:no why
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Yinlock posted:so since the democrats are following the british labour schedule, how is everyone going to spend the next 4 years of ineffectual coup attempts by Man I only wish we'd given Corbyn party leadership
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:they may not be a monolith but they do skew towards what outcomes they want oh, absolutely, it's I just didn't remember enough spanish to say it's more one than the other so I used a rather infamous chinese phrase that means, basically, "no reason" Vincent Van Goatse has issued a correction as of 23:03 on Dec 16, 2016 |
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I don't even know who the gently caress is arguing about what anymore I'll at least reiterate my own positions: I think the Left, or at least a faction thereof, should definitely pursue a form of patriotic socialism that celebrates the potential of what this country can be while repurposing its symbolism to their own ends and fighting to make a country people can and should be proud of. We know it is possible, because it happened before and it was largely successful until destroyed by concerted government action. We don't need to come up with the idea, just rebuild something we've already accomplished, and it's a drat shame it doesn't seem to have already been done. Does anyone actually disagree with either of these points?
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GlyphGryph posted:I don't even know who the gently caress is arguing about what anymore Me neither. quote:I'll at least reiterate my own positions: Hell, 
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If I start up a local branch I could call it the New England Patriot Party and I'd probably get a bunch of free members just from the association with football.
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:like the uk, watching this country go bankrupt signing away any and all assets to privatization while we try to salvage what is left in the last days of the union at least you'll get some funny headlines out of it 
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GlyphGryph posted:If I start up a local branch I could call it the New England Patriot Party and I'd probably get a bunch of free members just from the association with football.
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GlyphGryph posted:If I start up a local branch I could call it the New England Patriot Party and I'd probably get a bunch of free members just from the association with football. Brady and Belichick were all about the Trump so you'd be hosed as a socialist org before you got out of the starting gate
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GlyphGryph posted:If I start up a local branch I could call it the New England Patriot Party and I'd probably get a bunch of free members just from the association with football. really kills your prospects outside of your area though. gotta nip that short term corporate think in the bud.
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Yinlock posted:so since the democrats are following the british labour schedule, how is everyone going to spend the next 4 years of ineffectual coup attempts by Using my power of making insane posts to rant insanely in front of my local DSC.
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Fiction posted:Using my power of making insane posts to rant insanely in front of my local DSC.
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There are absolutely populist/socialist heroes in our country's history and culture which we should be glorifying as best we can (FDR, Eugene Debs, Huey Long, Joe Hill, the movie The Grapes of Wrath, Rage Against The Machine, the list goes on)
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GlyphGryph posted:I don't even know who the gently caress is arguing about what anymore statist
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:Brady and Belichick were all about the Trump so you'd be hosed as a socialist org before you got out of the starting gate Gisele was very emphatic that they didn't vote for Trump and I believe her more than I believe Trump
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Yinlock posted:i was beating off lads left and right let me tell you This is literally how I read that at first and had to do a double take. comingafteryouall posted:really kills your prospects outside of your area though. That's why I said "local branch"! ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:Brady and Belichick were all about the Trump so you'd be hosed as a socialist org before you got out of the starting gate Yeah but almost no one actually gives a poo poo about that, lol. The Patriots are all that is holy and good, they will have no problem holding Tom Brady, Belichick and Socialism as good at the same time as long as they are all associated with the Patriots, regardless of the political opinions of Brady and Belichick even if they did support Trump. At least, speaking personally. We still voted overwhelmingly for Hillary so I'm assuming most folks don't care too much about any Trump support they provided.
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People on this website get so mad about the patriots though I think the majority of all rage-avatars I have had bought for me were bought because someone was really mad at the patriots deflategate was a hoax, tom did nothing wrong and will be the 2016 MVP
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loquacius posted:There are absolutely populist/socialist heroes in our country's history and culture which we should be glorifying as best we can (FDR, Eugene Debs, Huey Long, Joe Hill, the movie The Grapes of Wrath, Rage Against The Machine, the list goes on) You mean the book, philistine
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GlyphGryph posted:The left would be better off if we it also had the support of folks who support their values but are also like feeling patriotic, though. So why the hell do you want to try and stomp out discussion of welcoming more patriotic elements into the movement? because those patriotic elements are not very compatible with the various movements widely described as unpatriotic, like the civil rights movement, the anti-war movement, and the free speech movement besides, look at how well America Is Already Great worked in 2016
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Main Paineframe posted:because those patriotic elements are not very compatible with the various movements widely described as unpatriotic, like the civil rights movement, the anti-war movement, and the free speech movement do you think that it is not actually possible to reclaim that?
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