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keith...good! http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/keith-ellison-north-carolina-gop_us_58545841e4b08debb78910aa quote:The wild battle over the future of North Carolina state politics became a central fight in the future of the Democratic Party on Friday, as Rep. Keith Ellison (D-Minn.) joined state lawmakers to denounce Republican efforts aimed at eliminating the political power of incoming Gov. Roy Cooper, a Democrat.
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Dec 17, 2016 00:41
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it's more of a "bernie porn" threadZikan posted:keith...good!  keith taking it back already
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Dec 17, 2016 00:44
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loquacius posted:Gisele was very emphatic that they didn't vote for Trump and I believe her more than I believe Trump That might be true but I hate Brady more than I hate Trump.
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Dec 17, 2016 00:46
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you don't have to hack legs when you can hack minds neither myself nor anyone else will ever be able to figure out how much blame is to be placed on hillary's terrible campaign vs how much blame is to be placed on external factors (comey letter, hacks ect.) However Russia did flood social networks with fake profiles and pages in order to infiltrate the psyches of the american far right and the american far left. they used the corporate algorithms designed to show us what we want to see online against us. they saw a vulnerability and they jumped on it In a race that was lost by just a handful of votes in a handful of states, everything mattered. If Russia hadn't been actively manipulating the mental experience of American's daily lives by manipulating the computers they stare at all day every day, then the results would've been different, and it's irresponsible to pretend otherwise
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Dec 17, 2016 00:47
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:That might be true but I hate Brady more than I hate Trump. we need solidarity in this dark era. if this means i have to cheer for a pats touchdown, i will make that sacrifice
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Dec 17, 2016 00:47
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Not a Step posted:You dont have to silence voices, you dumb jerk, but you can't insult your way to victory. And call out culture is loving stupid petty vengeance. Its winning tiny battles that let you feel good while losing the war. Use your voice for productive poo poo, not screeching about privilege. Yes, you can care about minority issues without also buying into the excesses of PC culture. President Obama is a perfect example of this. He's spoken out against excessive PC culture multiple times. Despite the accusations from the right that he is constantly playing the race card, he never really did and most people noticed that and respected that he didn't leverage his beliefs on this issue into political attacks on others. Now we have literal woman cards instead. quote:OBAMA: The civil-rights movement happened because there was civil disobedience, because people were willing to get to go to jail, because there were events like Bloody Sunday. But it was also because the leadership of the movement consistently stayed open to the possibility of reconciliation and sought to understand the views, even views that were appalling to them of the other side. http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/11/obama-on-pc-a-recipe-for-dogmatism.html quote:Comedians have recently taken up the debate as well. “I hear a lot of people tell me, ‘Don’t go near colleges. They’re so PC,’” Jerry Seinfeld said. “They just want to use these words: ‘That’s racist’; ‘That’s sexist’; ‘That’s prejudiced.‘ They don’t know what the hell they’re talking about.” Speaking with Vanity Fair at the Toronto International Film Festival, however, Sarah Silverman disagreed. “I think it’s a sign of being old if you’re put off by that,” she said. “You have to listen to the college-aged because they lead the revolution.” http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/09/obama-political-correctness-college-campus FuriousxGeorge has issued a correction as of 00:52 on Dec 17, 2016 |
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Dec 17, 2016 00:48
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Condiv posted:it always shocks me how insensitive third-wayers are I'm not a third wayer you idiot and I wasn't denying COINTELPRO did Bad poo poo. I'm just saying that the left's latest embarrassments like the Occupy movement turning into a Portlandia sketch IRL have anything to with nefarious infiltrators and false flag ops by The Man and more to do with the fact that the current Left is so goddamned worthless than there's no need for anyone to false flag anything. We're currently our own worst enemies, and things like the obsession with not appealing to the average American's deep-seeded patriotism in favor of spouting RT talking points and regurgitating decades old sins is one of the cardinal reasons why.
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Dec 17, 2016 00:51
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So when does the DNC start arming leftists and have them protest outside republican lawmakers homes? Because I'm pretty sure the "guise, stop pleaseee" rhetoric isn't going to get us anywhere. I'm down with Bernie's million-man march to McConnell's place.
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Dec 17, 2016 00:52
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Reagan won a lot of people by rambling about a shining city on a hill. Maybe we should do the same only our shining city will be one where we get some real loving socialism going for the masses because if we can't manage to help every last one of our citizens with the amount of wealth this country makes than there's something wrong.
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Dec 17, 2016 00:54
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Everyone ITT should start doing some serious reading about how the Republican party was formed in the 1850s because I feel strongly that the same sort of situation is happening now and we need to be ready to face that future armed with knowledge and precedent from the past.
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Dec 17, 2016 00:56
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Hillary had 100,000 less voters turn out for her in Milwaukee and 40,000 less voters in Detroit.
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Dec 17, 2016 00:57
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well there's the other event horizon, the one where the markets crash and everyone not part of the 1% had the bottom fall out and it took an ideological strongman who unfortunately had a hateboner for the japanese to fix it all *not straw 
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Dec 17, 2016 00:57
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Russia hacked us and Hillary sucked. THIS IS NOT AN EITHER/OR SITUATION
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Dec 17, 2016 00:57
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Also: You sucked and your party's vision for the future sucked.
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Dec 17, 2016 00:59
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Baloogan posted:Also: You sucked and your party's vision for the future sucked. I think that nicely dovetails with Hillary sucking, because they've been infesting the Democratic establishment for years
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Dec 17, 2016 01:01
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The corrupt and lovely DNC is now "us", apparently.
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Dec 17, 2016 01:01
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:Everyone ITT should start doing some serious reading about how the Republican party was formed in the 1850s because I feel strongly that the same sort of situation is happening now and we need to be ready to face that future armed with knowledge and precedent from the past. I was just going to say this. Yeah while I want Keith Ellison to purify the Democrats and us to take over. We may in fact be seeing them go the way of the whigs. Too much institutional rot. No real commitment to the issue of our times. This also means, everyone the second exists for a reason begin to practice for a occasion you may need it.
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Dec 17, 2016 01:01
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Baloogan posted:Also: You sucked and your party's vision for the future sucked. Hillary campaign had a vision of the future???????
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Dec 17, 2016 01:01
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new phone who dis posted:The corrupt and lovely DNC is now "us", apparently. oh shut the gently caress up you stupid pedant you know drat well what's actually being said
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Dec 17, 2016 01:02
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Trump executive ordering a will-issue CCW permit for the nation would be pretty loving funny, especially if it blew up in his face.
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Dec 17, 2016 01:02
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Trumps Baby Hands posted:you don't have to hack legs when you can hack minds i reckon the dems letting a computer tell them where to campaign had a bigger effect
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Dec 17, 2016 01:03
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if there is a single word popularized by loving morons that i wish would just disappear forever...  like its not even funny or clever
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Dec 17, 2016 01:03
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Crowsbeak posted:I was just going to say this. Yeah while I want Keith Ellison to purify the Democrats and us to take over. We may in fact be seeing them go the way of the whigs. Too much institutional rot. No real commitment to the issue of our times. This also means, everyone the second exists for a reason begin to practice for a occasion you may need it. one of the things rising stars in the early days of the Republican Party did was to claim they were lifelong Whig men and that they were committed to their ideals even if the party itself was a dead letter
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Dec 17, 2016 01:04
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merry exmarx posted:i reckon the dems letting a computer tell them where to campaign had a bigger effect less important influences are still influences
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Dec 17, 2016 01:05
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Hillary lost because of a perfect storm of incompetence and outside bullshit. Neither might've been fatal on its own and both need to be addressed next time around.
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Dec 17, 2016 01:06
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Well the war begins, well, a few months ago, but let's get back into it! Keith Ellison vs. Tom Perez! Bernie vs. pretty much everybody else! Probably Elizabeth Warren vs. Corey Booker in the 2020 primary going by their committee assignments and statements! WHOEVER WINS, SQUARESPACE ALSO WINS BECAUSE THEY'RE USED BY BOTH THESE SITES! https://keithfordnc.org/platform/ https://www.tomperez.org/vision/
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Dec 17, 2016 01:08
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comingafteryouall posted:uh, wearing confederate flag patches and partnering with the Black Panthers seems like a pretty big subversion of traditional uses for a symbol? oh, absolutely. it also has nothing at all to do with the "drape ourselves in American flags and worship the founding fathers" patriotism everybody assumed it did based on a cursory glance at their wiki page Dr_0ctag0n posted:So when does the DNC start arming leftists and have them protest outside republican lawmakers homes? Because I'm pretty sure the "guise, stop pleaseee" rhetoric isn't going to get us anywhere. try organizing it yourself. the primary reason leftism is dead in this country is because the battle cry of what remains of the American left is "someone should do something about this, probably" instead of "let's all organize and do something about this ourselves"
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Dec 17, 2016 01:09
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:That might be true but I hate Brady more than I hate Trump. So does a good proportion of D&D apparently and all of TFF (see: why I do not post in TFF) (Reddit has a better football discussion community than SA) (Reddit)
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Dec 17, 2016 01:11
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Main Paineframe posted:oh, absolutely. it also has nothing at all to do with the "drape ourselves in American flags and worship the founding fathers" patriotism everybody assumed it did based on a cursory glance at their wiki page The *other* battle cry of the left is 'everyone who doesnt share my specific set of beliefs is poo poo and must be purged and/or reformed! THEN WE TAKE ON THE ESTABLISHMENT!'
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Dec 17, 2016 01:12
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Race Realists posted:if there is a single word popularized by loving morons that i wish would just disappear forever... cuck mmmmmmm cuck lovely consonant sounds c - yuck cuck what up to my cuuuucks!
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Dec 17, 2016 01:13
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:oh shut the gently caress up you stupid pedant you know drat well what's actually being said Disagree. The fact of the matter is the DNC are still very much in control of the narrative right now. They are a dying influence, but they aren't going down without a fight. Russia didn't give the election to trump, they sent podesta a phishing email. When all the DNCs petty infighting came to light the party leaders, went immediately into damage control mode. This is the result. Trump was going to win anyway, all "the hack" shows is that DNC is more garbage then anyone realized.
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Dec 17, 2016 01:14
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:Everyone ITT should start doing some serious reading about how the Republican party was formed in the 1850s because I feel strongly that the same sort of situation is happening now and we need to be ready to face that future armed with knowledge and precedent from the past. Honestly, people just need to hit the history books hard loving core. Studying early Republicans is a great idea, but we need to be extremely creative if we want a major leftist wave as badly as we need one. It'll be a near vertical battle uphill, so any information that can enable unpredictability is crucial. Even something as ancient as the decline and disolution of the Roman Republic* could offer relevant lessons. *Yes, this is the most blatantly obvious comparison, but you know what I mean.
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Dec 17, 2016 01:14
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like, say putin 𝖕𝖊𝖗𝖘𝖔𝖓𝖆𝖑𝖑𝖞 𝖉𝖎𝖗𝖊𝖈𝖙𝖊𝖉 the hack of the emails. aren't the people now melting down the same people who said there was nothing damaging in them? that they weren't newsworthy? you can't have it both ways
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Dec 17, 2016 01:14
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merry exmarx posted:like, say putin 𝖕𝖊𝖗𝖘𝖔𝖓𝖆𝖑𝖑𝖞 𝖉𝖎𝖗𝖊𝖈𝖙𝖊𝖉 the hack of the emails. aren't the people now melting down the same people who said there was nothing damaging in them? that they weren't newsworthy? I have heard people say "it turns out the actual content of the emails didn't matter to people who only read the headlines" double down on elitism basically
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Dec 17, 2016 01:16
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merry exmarx posted:like, say putin 𝖕𝖊𝖗𝖘𝖔𝖓𝖆𝖑𝖑𝖞 𝖉𝖎𝖗𝖊𝖈𝖙𝖊𝖉 the hack of the emails. aren't the people now melting down the same people who said there was nothing damaging in them? that they weren't newsworthy? it's some of the same people who say they know Trump knew about Putin's shenanigans months ago because they also knew about them without realizing there's people out here who understand Trump wasn't the one in a position to act on it
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Dec 17, 2016 01:17
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bump_fn posted:Hillary campaign had a vision of the future??????? a rainbow coalition of fortune 500 company board members, united in a desire to squeeze every penny out of those dumb poor fucks that they can
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Dec 17, 2016 01:18
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:I'm not a third wayer you idiot and I wasn't denying COINTELPRO did Bad poo poo. I'm just saying that the left's latest embarrassments like the Occupy movement turning into a Portlandia sketch IRL have anything to with nefarious infiltrators and false flag ops by The Man and more to do with the fact that the current Left is so goddamned worthless than there's no need for anyone to false flag anything. We're currently our own worst enemies, and things like the obsession with not appealing to the average American's deep-seeded patriotism in favor of spouting RT talking points and regurgitating decades old sins is one of the cardinal reasons why. The Left needs more cute blondes and approachable bros leading the vanguard instead of ham beasts and smelly hippies cute Jewish girls can only get you so far
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Dec 17, 2016 01:22
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merry exmarx posted:like, say putin 𝖕𝖊𝖗𝖘𝖔𝖓𝖆𝖑𝖑𝖞 𝖉𝖎𝖗𝖊𝖈𝖙𝖊𝖉 the hack of the emails. aren't the people now melting down the same people who said there was nothing damaging in them? that they weren't newsworthy? i thought and still think the EMAILS and their contents were stupid AND blaming putin for everything is stupid, when do i get a medal???
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Oh Snapple! posted:a rainbow coalition of fortune 500 company board members, united in a desire to squeeze every penny out of those dumb poor fucks that they can Progressive for Hill folk means having a gay Goldman Sachs banker approving thousands of foreclosure papers each day.
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