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CHICKEN SHOES
Oct 4, 2002
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i'm so loving mad that you have opinions on this overpriced board game and I will express that with an avatar hahah you stupid bitch

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Soulex
Apr 1, 2009


Cacati in mano e pigliati a schiaffi!

If change mine but gently caress buying an avatar even if I really fuckinng hate Juventus and want to punch that goddamn Zebra in the face.

Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT

Soulex posted:

If change mine but gently caress buying an avatar even if I really fuckinng hate Juventus and want to punch that goddamn Zebra in the face.

I thought it was the zebra from Madagascar

Queen_Combat
Jan 15, 2011

Wasabi the J posted:

I thought it was the zebra from Madagascar

:same:

Lugnut Seatcushion
May 4, 2013
Lipstick Apathy

bird food bathtub posted:

Told them GW treats every other race that isn't SPESS MUHREENS like the total poo poo redheaded step children of the franchise. Said maybe if they didn't spend so much time sucking the dick of everyone who wants to play SPESS MUHREENS by having well over half the codexes and every rules update for upwards of a decade for some armies be different colored models of SPESS MUHREENS their lovely hobby wouldn't be such a loving train wreck that has become the laughing stock of the hobby world with GW circling the drain of bankruptcy on the regular. So someone rage-bought me the SPESS MUHREEN avatar to make me mad.

lmao you're really mad about 40k huh dude

A Bad Poster
Sep 25, 2006
Seriously, shut the fuck up.

:dukedog:
I'm too stupid to need an avatar. Or not stupid enough.

MightyJoe36
Dec 29, 2013

:minnie: Cat Army :minnie:

Syrian Lannister posted:


gently caress this dude and his hippy parents

Aranan
May 21, 2007

Release the Kraken
I've had avatars turned off for years. It's a lot easier to browse SA at work when there isn't an avatar of anime boobs dancing around.

Icon Of Sin
Dec 26, 2008



Aranan posted:

I've had avatars turned off for years. It's a lot easier to browse SA at work when there isn't an avatar of anime boobs dancing around.

lol if you think that's the most work-unsafe av around here

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013
Now that I've hopped Armies and am enjoying the US Army, let me just say that "lol".

At 68w AIT there are companies that have 450 soldiers. We do PT once or twice a week, despite waking up after three just so that the one or two PSGs can get time and do paperwork and admin before classes start, so PT is often cancelled.

DFAC is .9 miles away, so out of 18 hours spent awake, we manage 7hrs of classes and three 10-minute eating sessions. I honestly would not have believed this poo poo to be true. It's like some weird fantasy on how to inefficiently do poo poo.

Flikken
Oct 23, 2009

10,363 snaps and not a playoff win to show for it

Vahakyla posted:

Now that I've hopped Armies and am enjoying the US Army, let me just say that "lol".

At 68w AIT there are companies that have 450 soldiers. We do PT once or twice a week, despite waking up after three just so that the one or two PSGs can get time and do paperwork and admin before classes start, so PT is often cancelled.

DFAC is .9 miles away, so out of 18 hours spent awake, we manage 7hrs of classes and three 10-minute eating sessions. I honestly would not have believed this poo poo to be true. It's like some weird fantasy on how to inefficiently do poo poo.

TRADOC

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013
Fourth week just ended and I've done five PT Sessions plus one PT test! Goddamnit.

450 men is not a company. Best part is how three of these loving half-battalions hit the DFAC a mile away at the exact same time, making the average meal trip to be like 2hlurs or a bit more.

CHICKEN SHOES
Oct 4, 2002
Slippery Tilde
jfc, I can't (totally can though) believe you all are doing PT that infrequently. Watch half your company get chaptered within a year of graduating as APFT failures.

Woof Blitzer
Dec 29, 2012

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trading finland for the us?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97du1N7Znb0

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013
Yeah, I kinda miss the efficiency of Finnish BCT and job training. One Corporal for every squad, and platoon has a cadre instuctor Sergeant and Instructor LT, plus one conscript officer.

In the US, the Drill Sergeants spend the whole day at the range working, and still we only shot 20-40 rounds each range day and sat around for 8-9 hours. Every training went the same way, actual training is 5-25 minutes of the day, rest is standing at formation and or getting smoked for not being still enough.

Compared to Finland where if not doing the main activity, the corporals are running poo poo, showing poo poo, teaching lessons, doing other related instructions, going through questions and just all around being available. Instead of a small portion of s bigass Battery/Company doing something, everyone was learning all the time.

We learned so much more non-stop during that 8 weeks.
I don't wanna be all "blablabla but Finland this and that" but goddamn this has been retarded so far. Our MOUT lasted for 20 minutes during Basic, and then we had one assault on a compound, and it was led by the PG who has no clue. Afterwards we "conducted AAR" tjat the drat PG ran because DS was too busy dealing blanks to the other million soldiers

PG concept is retarded during initial training. Soldiers need actual leaders.

Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 05:02 on Dec 18, 2016

CHICKEN SHOES
Oct 4, 2002
Slippery Tilde

Vahakyla posted:

Yeah, I kinda miss the efficiency of Finnish BCT and job training. One Corporal for every squad, and platoon has a cadre instuctor Sergeant and Instructor LT, plus one conscript officer.

In the US, the Drill Sergeants spend the whole day at the range working, and still we only shot 20-40 rounds each range day and sat around for 8-9 hours. Every training went the same way, actual training is 5-25 minutes of the day, rest is standing at formation and or getting smoked for not being still enough.

Compared to Finland where if not doing the main activity, the corporals are running poo poo, showing poo poo, teaching lessons, doing other related instructions, going through questions and just all around being available. We learbed so much more non-stop during that 8 weeks.
I don't wanna be all "blablabla but Finland this and that" but goddamn this has been retarded so far.

welcome to the US Army.


Your finland story is more like how people pretend to want to run a lot of ranges I went to with alternate training for downtime but lol if that ever ends up being anything worth a poo poo if at all.

CHICKEN SHOES
Oct 4, 2002
Slippery Tilde
let me guess, in finland you actually worried about important stuff and all, but in this mans army, we stop everything to do an online accident avoidance course because it's THE MOST IMPORTANT thing ever.

wait till you take the mandatory annual training every 7 months that tells you which hotel room to get if you dont want terrorists to kill you

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013
I guess it at least half boils down to the fact that in a Finnish training unit, you have so many more NCOs available due to the conscript corporals and conscript officers being 24h available, un-paid labor on top of the cadre instructors.

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013
Because now here, insane amount of time and effort is wasted due to the incompetence of PGs (not their fault though) and the overall disrespect and sluggishness in executing anything they want, instead of just having actual corporals running a tight leash each on their own assigned squad, doing the PT, handling their paperwork and admin, and squaring them away.

Flikken
Oct 23, 2009

10,363 snaps and not a playoff win to show for it
I do believe you were warned this was a bad idea.

CHICKEN SHOES
Oct 4, 2002
Slippery Tilde
yeah but in the US corporals are a complete joke who are just poo poo on so that wouldn't work.

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013

Flikken posted:

I do believe you were warned this was a bad idea.

Yeah I know lol. Honestly didn't expect this bad.


In it for the citizenship and commission, so I'm still hooah!

CHICKEN SHOES
Oct 4, 2002
Slippery Tilde
i think a powerpoint slide is like an O6 equivalent in rank

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost
lmao I told him not to enlist for literal years and then told him there were other AITs that were cake with better pay.

Vaha you clown.

UP THE BUM NO BABY
Sep 1, 2011

by Hand Knit

Vahakyla posted:

Honestly didn't expect this bad.

Nomination for thread title when we reboot next year

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013
Gotta hit the bed to enjoy my 5 hours of sleep, but two scenarios:


Scenario 1: You are recalled to formation at the middle of the night. You have no clue why. You and nearly 400 soldiers get smoked by a screaming sergeant. You get a long speech about teamwork, and how weakest link is your strenght. And how you have to square your battlebuddy and help him to succeed. Nearly 400 soldiers look around, they have no clue who, why, or when. Or how. After 40 minutes, smoking ends as does the "inspirational" speech. Everyone goes back to bed without having any clue about anything. Shopette privileges and free time for tomorrow is cancelled to "teach a lesson".

Scenario 2: A corporal flips the squad rooms bunks because one dude in the squad always has his bed unmade. Then he smokes the squad and yells at them. Squad now knows what's wrong and what to do, because they are just couple dudes and not a loving throng. And because the corporal has only a squad, eventually he learns by observation who the shitbags are and he fucks them up. This same thing happens in all platoons and squads, because each of them has their own leader who has time and effort to dedicate to his squad.


Which one makes sense? It teaches a really lovely lesson to these young soldiers that it doesn't matter if they do everything that is asked, they still lose the privileges. So they start slipping because gently caress it, someone out of 400 guys is gonna do something every day, and there is no way to stop that. Constant collective punishment on such large scale is super weird, because most of these privates around me have no clue why. Hell, me neither. We just stand there with our half-shaved head because we were recalled from the barber, never any wiser on why.

Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 05:28 on Dec 18, 2016

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013

mlmp08 posted:

lmao I told him not to enlist for literal years and then told him there were other AITs that were cake with better pay.

Vaha you clown.

Hooah, Army Strong!

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost
When I banned collective punishment, indiscipline went down, NCOs worked less hours, and I got less IG complaints.

I'm not super smart, but lmao so much of the Army is super dumb or weird.

CHICKEN SHOES
Oct 4, 2002
Slippery Tilde

mlmp08 posted:

When I banned collective punishment, indiscipline went down, NCOs worked less hours, and I got less IG complaints.

I'm not super smart, but lmao so much of the Army is super dumb or weird.

IDK you status but I'll assume an officer of some sort, was your 1sg or whomever just :catstare: at the idea?

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

Hillary Clintons Thong posted:

IDK you status but I'll assume an officer of some sort, was your 1sg or whomever just :catstare: at the idea?

Only 1 of a few 1SGs thought this was nuts. He came from a unit perpetually under investigation.

Several NCOs at first thought I was crazy but soon realized that crushing a fuckup is way easier and more efficient than dealing with hundreds of angry people when only 1-5 deserved punishment.

CHICKEN SHOES
Oct 4, 2002
Slippery Tilde

mlmp08 posted:

Only 1 of a few 1SGs thought this was nuts. He came from a unit perpetually under investigation.

Several NCOs at first thought I was crazy but soon realized that crushing a fuckup is way easier and more efficient than dealing with hundreds of angry people when only 1-5 deserved punishment.

you're a loving madman

Flikken
Oct 23, 2009

10,363 snaps and not a playoff win to show for it
How long is your contract?

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

Hillary Clintons Thong posted:

you're a loving madman

Oh poo poo you just got hit by an army-tipped dart!

CHICKEN SHOES
Oct 4, 2002
Slippery Tilde
how can you expect a unit to function if you don't call in the whole unit on a saturday and just buttfuck all the NCOs about how they're huge failures because some new PVT had spice in his barracks.

you really just gotta emasculate everyone every chance you get guy

mlmp08 posted:

Oh poo poo you just got hit by an army-tipped dart!

i can't imagine this dart looking like anything other than a huge green nerf dick

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013
To the contrary, the same shitbags talk in formation, are out of ranks at morning, and keep their cellies on them at class.

Because lol, at "fall in", the ones who made it on time get the poo poo smoked out of them, and then when the fuckups finally arrive, we just march away onto the day. I guess the theory is that we'd go square our buddies away and motivate them, but in reality the shitbags will just tell those people to go gently caress themselves. And hell, why wouldn't they, they didn't even get into actual trouble.

The most infuriating part is to witness that shitbag behavior that is clear product of the lack of supervision that one or two sergeants can provide overthe huge formation. The same kind of actions would've never flown in Finland, because good luck being a shitbag in front of a NCO when there is only 11 guys beside you standing there.

Here, from second rank onwards, it's loving clown show nonstop.

Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 05:41 on Dec 18, 2016

Kick-Puncher
Jan 20, 2006

Vahakyla posted:

Gotta hit the bed to enjoy my 5 hours of sleep, but two scenarios:


Scenario 1: You are recalled to formation at the middle of the night. You have no clue why. You and nearly 400 soldiers get smoked by a screaming sergeant. You get a long speech about teamwork, and how weakest link is your strenght. And how you have to square your battlebuddy and help him to succeed. Nearly 400 soldiers look around, they have no clue who, why, or when. Or how. After 40 minutes, smoking ends as does the "inspirational" speech. Everyone goes back to bed without having any clue about anything. Shopette privileges and free time for tomorrow is cancelled to "teach a lesson".

Scenario 2: A corporal flips the squad rooms bunks because one dude in the squad always has his bed unmade. Then he smokes the squad and yells at them. Squad now knows what's wrong and what to do, because they are just couple dudes and not a loving throng. And because the corporal has only a squad, eventually he learns by observation who the shitbags are and he fucks them up. This same thing happens in all platoons and squads, because each of them has their own leader who has time and effort to dedicate to his squad.


Which one makes sense? It teaches a really lovely lesson to these young soldiers that it doesn't matter if they do everything that is asked, they still lose the privileges. So they start slipping because gently caress it, someone out of 400 guys is gonna do something every day, and there is no way to stop that. Constant collective punishment on such large scale is super weird, because most of these privates around me have no clue why. Hell, me neither. We just stand there with our half-shaved head because we were recalled from the barber, never any wiser on why.

It is funny because I went through in 2007 and it was when they were trying to shove as many people through 68w as humanly possible. They created a company for us just so that we didn't sit around waiting for a new training cycle in a month. I am glad to see it hasn't gotten any better. Oh and don't worry about any sort of standards being met. Some of the most pathetic soldiers I ever met were medics as well.

Even more maximum army is the guy who recycled basic because of pt failures. He ended up taking each event on different days just to pass. Then he came to my squad and scored an 80.

Mustang
Jun 18, 2006

“We don’t really know where this goes — and I’m not sure we really care.”
The Army is dumb and gay and I'm probably in one of the better, least toxic units in the Army right now

CHICKEN SHOES
Oct 4, 2002
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a loving 80 lol like wow. I think the pre basic 13 pushup 17 situp 8 min mile is about an 80

Woof Blitzer
Dec 29, 2012

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Should have enlisted 13 series I know which taxi drivers will hook you up with escorts

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Vahakyla
May 3, 2013
Also ones with good EMT Class GPA get hosed up because they are not "setting their battlebuddies up for success".

Yeh, I could see the theory in a team of 8 guys or so, where two dudes are failing. Then you help out your buddies and adapt and overcome.

But gently caress me. What a loving lesson to teach these soldiers who actually care and put effort in here.

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