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alright im done with Miracles. I own all the peices for it finally so it's being retired for now. Im playing Jund today at the tourney for a mox. the new question is... finish Lands or finish Shardless. They would both cost about the same. caveat: im not buying a loving tabernacle
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Dec 17, 2016 18:33
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Errant Gin Monks posted:alright im done with Miracles. I own all the peices for it finally so it's being retired for now. Im playing Jund today at the tourney for a mox. Shardless. Budget lands isn't a deck worth finishing.
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Dec 17, 2016 18:40
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Sigma-X posted:Shardless. Budget lands isn't a deck worth finishing. it wouldnt be budget per se, just no tabernacle. The card isnt worth it to me for that kind of cash.
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Dec 17, 2016 18:45
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Errant Gin Monks posted:it wouldnt be budget per se, just no tabernacle. The card isnt worth it to me for that kind of cash.
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Dec 17, 2016 18:53
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standard.deviant posted:No Tabernacle Lands is budget, that's about half the cost of the deck. thats true but there is an actual budget like lands build going around with no ports and tireless trackers
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Dec 17, 2016 18:56
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finish neither and build 4c Aluren
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Johnny Five-Jaces posted:finish neither and build 4c Aluren Just play infect and goblins like noted cool guy, me.
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Dec 17, 2016 20:09
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Errant Gin Monks posted:thats true but there is an actual budget like lands build going around with no ports and tireless trackers I play lands, don't play this deck without tabernacle.
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Dec 17, 2016 20:13
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Mezzanon posted:Just play infect....like noted cool guy, me. HMMMMMMMMMMMMM
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Errant Gin Monks posted:it wouldnt be budget per se, just no tabernacle. The card isnt worth it to me for that kind of cash. It wouldn't be budget miracles per se, just no force of will. It wouldn't be budget reanimator per se, just no reanimate. It wouldn't be budget Shardless, just no tarmogoyf.
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Dec 17, 2016 20:36
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Someone name a deck shardlessless bug
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Johnny Five-Jaces posted:HMMMMMMMMMMMMM I'm glad you're considering this
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Dec 17, 2016 21:23
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The March Hare posted:I play lands, don't play this deck without tabernacle. I have played lands for the past year with my buddies tabernacle. I'm okay dropping a few games and not spending 1k on a single cardboard.
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Errant Gin Monks posted:thats true but there is an actual budget like lands build going around with no ports and tireless trackers No Ports is an international choice. Ghost Quarter is so much better against a lot of decks. Johnny Five-Jaces posted:HMMMMMMMMMMMMM This is the only post on this page that I agree with.
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EvilBeard posted:I replaced my Courser with Oracle of Mul Daya. It's only one green and you get extra land drops. Sure, it's only a 2/2, but most of the time, I'm just looking to plow through lands. It was pretty decent last night, but I really need more testing with it. I really like the Urabrask in my maindeck. It offers me a beater and a lot of times, clears removal from their hand and lets the Primetime's run wild. I never drew my one Urabrask and also boarded it out every match  Breaching out an Emrakul almost feels like cheating, I would definitely run multiple if I were you.
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Dec 18, 2016 00:22
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Do you guys play Punishing Fire or Molten Vortex? I feel like I rarely need Tabernacle. I either lock them up with Molten Vortex/Loam or I just win with the combo. I rarely find myself looking for Tabernacle.
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Dec 18, 2016 00:28
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yeah sure you can win matches without it but it's nutso against lots of delver decks and t1 empty the warrens
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C-Euro posted:I never drew my one Urabrask and also boarded it out every match I'm cutting my Scapeshift for a second Emrakul. Other than that, I'm fairly happy with the deck. I just need 3 more Japanese Summoner's Pacts.
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EvilBeard posted:I'm cutting my Scapeshift for a second Emrakul. Other than that, I'm fairly happy with the deck. I just need 3 more Japanese Summoner's Pacts. I had a couple people ask me if I was running Scapeshift, and while I've not played with Scapeshift as a wincon I don't know if I like running both Scapeshift and Titan. I don't like how they both draw from the same well, needing Mountains and Valakuts in your library to work. Ironically, Emrakul is good with Scapeshift since if you can bin Emrakul you'll get back any Mountains that have been destroyed or milled!
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Mezzanon posted:Just play infect and goblins like noted cool guy, me. Not going to lie all I need is the trops for infect and I am sorely tempted... but I would feel bad about myself for playing it.
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EvilBeard posted:Do you guys play Punishing Fire or Molten Vortex? I feel like I rarely need Tabernacle. I either lock them up with Molten Vortex/Loam or I just win with the combo. I rarely find myself looking for Tabernacle. Tabernacle is like Karakas in that games it wins, no other card would. Additionally, it's a strong part of your mana denial plan, and puts a ton of pressure on the low mana creature strategies (delvers, elves, etc). It's nearly a wrath in some cases as well, when you can double waste into tabernacle and pass the turn. The card is extremely good, and honestly pretty necessary to have an actual good build of lands. I'm not saying it "worth" the money (the card is expensive only because it's a RL card from Legends), but it's a critical part of the deck. I say this as a dude who has played probably over 1000 matches with Lands in its current iteration.
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Skyl3lazer posted:Tabernacle is like Karakas in that games it wins, no other card would. Additionally, it's a strong part of your mana denial plan, and puts a ton of pressure on the low mana creature strategies (delvers, elves, etc). It's nearly a wrath in some cases as well, when you can double waste into tabernacle and pass the turn. Yeah it's also pretty good against eldrazi. Not much better of a feeling on earth than being on the draw and having your opponent go: eye, 3 creatures, pass. Untap, draw, tabernacle, go.
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Dec 18, 2016 19:35
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 first attempt at sultai vial. super fun. probably wants tarmogoyfs.
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Modern sideboarding question: I'm currently playing this list of UW Spirits: //Lands 4 Flooded Strand 1 Ghost Quarter 2 Glacial Fortress 2 Hallowed Fountain 5 Island 2 Moorland Haunt 1 Plains 2 Polluted Delta 3 Seachrome Coast //Spells 2 Cryptic Command 4 Path to Exile 4 Remand 4 Serum Visions 1 Spell Pierce //Creatures 4 Drogskol Captain 1 Dungeon Geists 1 Kira, Great Glass-Spinner 4 Mausoleum Wanderer 1 Phantasmal Image 4 Rattlechains 4 Selfless Spirit 4 Spell Queller //Sideboard SB: 2 Blessed Alliance SB: 1 Detention Sphere SB: 1 Dispel SB: 2 Kor Firewalker SB: 1 Negate SB: 1 Rest in Peace SB: 1 Spell Pierce SB: 1 Spell Snare SB: 1 Sunlance SB: 2 Supreme Verdict SB: 2 Timely Reinforcements My sideboard is skewed pretty heavily towards the Burn matchup, as it's a bit of a rough game and pretty healthily represented at my local store. I have lots of solid cards to bring in, so mostly I'm looking for advice on what to take out to make room. My current thinking right now is to cut all the Remands, all the Serum Visions, the Dungeon Geists, and the Phantasmal Image. Remand just doesn't do enough against that are faster than me, and while Serum Visions is an alright card I really need every single mana to be doing something productive each turn. Dungeon Geists is too slow and Phantasmal Image is too high variance, especially since there aren't even any cool cards to steal on the other end. The actual contents of the sideboard are subject to change; I'm still experimenting to see which cards pull the most weight and I'll probably end up trimming some of the Burn slots towards other matchups as I settle on my favorites and my local meta moves. Mostly I'm just wondering if boarding out Serum Visions is crazy talk. My thinking is that the mana efficiency seems like a real concern and the card is mostly filler in the deck to begin with, but I'd like to hear outside opinions.
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Cut Remand, Dungeon Geists and Cryptic, don't play Serum Visions at all ever and especially not in that deck. I'd almost say to cut Kira but their best card against you is probably Searing Blaze so 
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Voyager I posted:Modern sideboarding question: I'm currently playing this list of UW Spirits: Visions seems fine. Spending mana on turn one is more mana-effecient than not spending it, plus it helps dig for your sideboard hate. I'd go +2 Blessed Alliance +1 Dispel +2 Firewalker +2 Timely Reinforcements Not sure about Spell Pierce, Negate, or Sunlance. Might need Sunlance just because you're light on removal and can't really function through an Eidolon. I'd cut Geists, Kira, Cryptics, and Remands to start with. Edit: Didn't consider Searing Blaze, so maybe Kira should stay.
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suicidesteve posted:Cut Remand, Dungeon Geists and Cryptic, don't play Serum Visions at all ever and especially not in that deck. I'd almost say to cut Kira but their best card against you is probably Searing Blaze so Serum Visions sucks but it's the best proactive turn one you can put in this build of the deck after Mausoleum Wanderer so  I don't mind taking it out against Burn because I'm looking to take a more controlling angle. Kira does work against Searing Blaze and offers some protection from Lavamancer so she's definitely there to stay.Not sold on cutting Cryptic. The card is very strong and it's also an out to a resolved Eidolon. Negate doesn't come in for burn since it's too slow. Sunlance comes in or stays depending on how zoo-ish their build was. Spell Snare comes in because it trades up on tempo and hits all the best cards in their deck. Appreciate the replies.
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Cut Cryptic. Maybe leave one on the play but actually just cut Cryptic.
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Dec 19, 2016 02:48
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If Burn's that bad for you board Worship. You don't deal that much damage to yourself, your creatures are tough to kill and they aren't boarding in Destructive Revelry against you.
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TheKingofSprings posted:If Burn's that bad for you board Worship. You don't deal that much damage to yourself, your creatures are tough to kill and they aren't boarding in Destructive Revelry against you. Oh yeah this is what I should have said. I have it in my board for burn and a few other things.
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Voyager I posted:Serum Visions sucks but it's the best proactive turn one you can put in this build of the deck after Mausoleum Wanderer so "let it sit there for two turns while I either do nothing or take a shitload of damage" is not an out to a resolved Eidolon.
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I have landed a Worship on one life against Affinity and Burn more than once and it feels a lot like cheating E: Eldrazi, Suicide Zoo and Merfolk all hate this one weird trick to piss off an aggro player too!! TheKingofSprings fucked around with this message at 02:55 on Dec 19, 2016 |
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little munchkin posted:"let it sit there for two turns while I either do nothing or take a shitload of damage" is not an out to a resolved Eidolon. Yeah this is also a thing I thought of but forgot to say. TheKingofSprings posted:I have landed a Worship on one life against Affinity and Burn more than once and it feels a lot like cheating Affinity still has Inkmoth. It's probably worth bringing in against all the random stupid Valakut decks too. Get 2 Drogskol Captains and they almost can't win.
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suicidesteve posted:Yeah this is also a thing I thought of but forgot to say. They do, but if I have a KotR active it generally doesn't matter to me, I'll have at least two Quarters waiting in my deck or already active waiting for them.
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TheKingofSprings posted:I have landed a Worship on one life against Affinity and Burn more than once and it feels a lot like cheating Fun story: last classic I played in, game 3 against burn I was at 3 and slammed a worship on the table. He called a judge (apparently asking about skullcrack getting around it), then shook my hand and said congrats you win. Worship is great.
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You've sold me on Worship at the very least. I wonder if that means I leave in the Serum Visions to look for it. EDIT: recommending two copies or three? Seems like a solid card against pretty much every creature-heavy deck that doesn't have access to Chord>Reclamation Sage or maindeck Pridemage, and I have enough permission that I can probably protect one a pair of Revelries coming in G2 or some such. Voyager I fucked around with this message at 03:04 on Dec 19, 2016 |
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Voyager I posted:You've sold me on Worship at the very least. I wonder if that means I leave in the Serum Visions to look for it. Visions is too slow and actively works against you if they have an Eidolon out. As long as you have something more useful you could be doing turn 1 (Mausoleum Wanderer or Pathing their Guide comes to mind), I would board it out for something more effective unless you have some real stinkers against them game 1
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T1 Path loving sucks, and I'm not sure if it's right to do it. Given Burn 3 mana on turn 2 seems like it could end up backfiring. I'd definitely rather cast Mausoleum Wanderer but I'm not allowed to run 8 of them. EDIT: FWIW, Eidolon is actually pretty beatable depending on what the board looks like when it comes out. If I won the coinflip or have a smoother draw then them sometimes I just turn dudes sideways faster than them while they do like 8 damage to themselves. Voyager I fucked around with this message at 03:09 on Dec 19, 2016 |
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Can anyone tell me why people are bringing in Surgical against me playing Death and Taxes? I mean besides the obvious answer that MTGO players are just really, really bad. I've had 2 people do it this week.
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