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I think the kid will be fine. There's nothing like familiarity breeding contempt and he's going to think of how loving baller Canada was and how utterly poo poo China is and when he returns to Canada he will be glad for it. It also means he's less likely to eat up all the bullshit that you can feed people that haven't actually been to China. He'll have seen how messed up it is personally.
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Blistex posted:If you first identify that you are not American, you can usually prevent that one from cropping up, as it is designed (in their mind) to cause you to lose face rather than be used as a reason to justify a potential invasion.  "
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Deceitful Penguin posted:I think the kid will be fine. There's nothing like familiarity breeding contempt and he's going to think of how loving baller Canada was and how utterly poo poo China is and when he returns to Canada he will be glad for it. The biggest problem is that he's going to be a Canadian citizen, with Chinese schooling on his record and application. So he's going to have the familiar problem of not knowing how to succeed in a western educational institute, but compounded with the fact that he is not going to be put into the "international student stream" where they just push them through because they are paying $15,000-20,000 a year in tuition, "so just pass him". The universities his mom is going to want him to go to are likely going to say, "sorry you have not been accepted" (because there is no benefit for them in accepting him) and the ones that do accept him are going to fail him pretty hard if he can't adapt fast enough because he's not paying massively inflated tuition to make it worth their while. If he doesn't keep his English up to snuff (difficult if he is living in China), then he's going to have a hell of a time trying to succeed in University, because he will be treated like every other Canadian student, where copying and pasting Wikipedia articles gets you an F or a ticket out with a blemish on your record. I don't envy that kid's life if that's the road his mother intends to send him down.
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Dec 18, 2016 22:19
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nickmeister posted:It must be a strange feeling to have such a strong feeling of "national pride" that you're willing to give up everything that you know to be objectively better in order to try to pass that on to your offspring. On the other hand, good on her for drawing the logical conclusion and loving off back to China.
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Dec 18, 2016 22:20
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Blistex posted:I don't envy that kid's life if that's the road his mother intends to send him down. otoh he will actually have to earn his degree through hard work and dedication and be a better person for it
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Dec 18, 2016 22:29
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Fojar38 posted:otoh he will actually have to earn his degree through hard work and dedication and be a better person for it Or retreat to china and buy his degree and embrace mediocrity
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Dec 18, 2016 22:31
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Fojar38 posted:otoh he will actually have to earn his degree through hard work and dedication and be a better person for it It's one thing to be a hard worker, it's another thing altogether if you've just spend the last 8 years in a formal education system that doesn't teach you the skills and critical thinking you need to succeed in a western university.
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Blistex posted:The biggest problem is that he's going to be a Canadian citizen, with Chinese schooling on his record and application. So he's going to have the familiar problem of not knowing how to succeed in a western educational institute, but compounded with the fact that he is not going to be put into the "international student stream" where they just push them through because they are paying $15,000-20,000 a year in tuition, "so just pass him". The universities his mom is going to want him to go to are likely going to say, "sorry you have not been accepted" (because there is no benefit for them in accepting him) and the ones that do accept him are going to fail him pretty hard if he can't adapt fast enough because he's not paying massively inflated tuition to make it worth their while. If he doesn't keep his English up to snuff (difficult if he is living in China), then he's going to have a hell of a time trying to succeed in University, because he will be treated like every other Canadian student, where copying and pasting Wikipedia articles gets you an F or a ticket out with a blemish on your record. 15000-20000 a year is the international student Canadian tuition? What a frozen wonderland...
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Dec 18, 2016 23:17
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Blistex posted:It's one thing to be a hard worker, it's another thing altogether if you've just spend the last 8 years in a formal education system that doesn't teach you the skills and critical thinking you need to succeed in a western university. I failed out of college the first time around pretty loving hard, it took a few years of a break and the big realization that highschool taught me poo poo all on how to do poo poo. I went back a few years later with a better attitude and I hired tutors. I have a 18 year old cousin who just started. I asked her if she knew how to write a paper and she said "well yeah I can do it if its a topic I care about" Me: "then you don't know how to write a paper, and you need to learn how" I tried to tell her how the college library has ebsohost and source and blah blah blah. I remember years ago in a chemistry class I took there was a highschool student attending and he was pretty smart the teacher told him to show his math work and the students said "well I just do it in my head" This lead to the teacher spending 5 minutes explaining to him that while he was smart and could keep complicated things in his head, at a certain point he wouldn't be able to do it that way it would be too complex then the people who lacked his talent would be able to beat him because they had learned skills on how to handle those complex problems. I honeslty evened that kid because he was just told what took me a few years to learn the hard way. okay enough about me. worse case senerio the kid fails goes back to main land and become a TCM doctor.
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Dicky mouse posted:This lead to the teacher spending 5 minutes explaining to him that while he was smart and could keep complicated things in his head, at a certain point he wouldn't be able to do it that way it would be too complex then the people who lacked his talent would be able to beat him because they had learned skills on how to handle those complex problems. Not really, chances are that kid already probably knew how to handle those complex problems not in their head and thought his teacher was just being loving stupid about a ridiculously simple problem. To the kid it was probably like the teaching asking them to show their work on a question of "5x + 4 = 59". Source: that kid.
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Wait. That woman with the Canadian son is from a rich family correct? She can probably enroll him in an "american or canadian" school and avert some of the damage right?
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Dec 19, 2016 00:38
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Nanomashoes posted:15000-20000 a year is the international student Canadian tuition? What a frozen wonderland... Was gonna say, $20,000/yr is in-state TCA for me. 
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I'm working on a basically brand new ship and the builders sourced all the hatches, scuttles, portholes and windows from China. They all leak horribly. The rubber gasket material starts out too hard and then dries into a brittle mess, the steel is cheap and rusts super fast and the "stainless" steel dogs are actually a thin layer of stainless steel filled with a pot metal core. (We discovered this when a scuttle dog broke in half when we were trying to free up a fitting that had rusted to the "stainless" steel. They're not supposed to do that.)
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Dec 19, 2016 01:24
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Polikarpov posted:I'm working on a basically brand new ship and the builders sourced all the hatches, scuttles, portholes and windows from China. Waiting for a punchline here, I mean it's par for the course, right?
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I work in the automotive supply chain and metal working industry in china. We got burned by Chinese steel and never use that stuff and we always warn our clients about its dangers. Well we aren't the cheapest shop around the block anyways so our clients won't be using cheap poo poo
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Dec 19, 2016 01:47
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nickmeister posted:It must be a strange feeling to have such a strong feeling of "national pride" that you're willing to give up everything that you know to be objectively better in order to try to pass that on to your offspring. Yeah there's a lot of different stuff that I can at least sort of get when I think about it, but this is one of those areas where I just can't. I know this kind of national/racial pride is a thing and I can see the effects, but actual understanding of what it means to feel that way? Zero. The idea of taking pride in something someone else did because they look like you or come from the same place just doesn't compute. This is a me thing and not a China thing, I don't get it when Americans do this either.
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Dec 19, 2016 02:25
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Grand Fromage posted:Yeah there's a lot of different stuff that I can at least sort of get when I think about it, but this is one of those areas where I just can't. I know this kind of national/racial pride is a thing and I can see the effects, but actual understanding of what it means to feel that way? Zero. The idea of taking pride in something someone else did because they look like you or come from the same place just doesn't compute. I'm pretty sure we literally evolved to be this way
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Fojar38 posted:I'm pretty sure we literally evolved to be this way And some of us are trying to evolve out of that (not that genetics works like that, but cultures evolve too).
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Fojar38 posted:I'm pretty sure we literally evolved to be this way It has to be reinforced though. It's not just  that everyone is going to sit around being super proud of poo poo they didn't do. Part of my family is German, if I sat here saying about how I have a great feeling of pride in the accomplishments of my ancestors in inventing the internal combustion engine or defeating Quinctilius Varus I would be a huge moron and expect to be treated as such.
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It's less being proud of yourself as an individual because of your ancestry and more pride that you are part of something larger than yourself that transcends time, I think
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caberham posted:I work in the automotive supply chain and metal working industry in china. I used to work at a place that made air conditioner compressors and they decided to order a sample batch of crankshafts from China to decide if they wanted to just get rid of that machining line. We sent some engineers over there to hand hold them through our process, and they thought it was gonna be okay. I guess as soon as those guys were on the plane back, the company they outsourced to outsourced it another five layers deep and didn't tell anybody else what to do so the parts we ended up getting were pretty hosed up. I think they heat treated them after machining the final dimensions instead of the other way around, so we got a couple containers of corkscrews. They still ended up using the lovely parts when we got behind on orders once, and eventually did decide to outsource to these guys
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Fojar38 posted:It's less being proud of yourself as an individual because of your ancestry and more pride that you are part of something larger than yourself that transcends time, I think You are from Canada, foreigners cannot understand
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Grand Fromage posted:You are from Canada, foreigners cannot understand I was questioning an American about some of the oddities of the US electoral system a few days back and this sentence was uttered almost word for word without a hint of irony and it triggered me immensely
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Dec 19, 2016 02:54
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Grand Fromage posted:Yeah there's a lot of different stuff that I can at least sort of get when I think about it, but this is one of those areas where I just can't. I know this kind of national/racial pride is a thing and I can see the effects, but actual understanding of what it means to feel that way? Zero. The idea of taking pride in something someone else did because they look like you or come from the same place just doesn't compute. This sort of nationalism always seems weird to anyone who was not completely raised on it, so expatriates never understand it. It seems to only occur in people raised in homogenous societies, like it's a form of brainwashing almost.
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Fojar38 posted:I was questioning an American about some of the oddities of the US electoral system a few days back and this sentence was uttered almost word for word without a hint of irony and it triggered me immensely lol though I do find people from other countries seem to have a lot of trouble understanding the US system. Which I find odd, I know the electoral college is weird but I don't think it's that difficult to grasp? That and gerrymandered districts I guess, don't know if other countries have that. But anyway please respect our 20-30,000 years of culture
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Dec 19, 2016 02:57
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Grand Fromage posted:Yeah there's a lot of different stuff that I can at least sort of get when I think about it, but this is one of those areas where I just can't. I know this kind of national/racial pride is a thing and I can see the effects, but actual understanding of what it means to feel that way? Zero. The idea of taking pride in something someone else did because they look like you or come from the same place just doesn't compute. The ones I don't get are like: Korean person is really good at *thing* and wins an international title or something. Despite *thing* being totally lame, it sweeps the country and becomes a national obsession.
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Just to contrast the "Poorly Made in China" stuff that we're constantly hearing about. Here is a video I posted 2-3 threads ago about a bunch of Chinese guys who had a love of scale model tanks and set out to build the best, highest quality ones that they could. It's pretty cool to see this kind of dedication and creativity, and see that even the Chinese have issued with sourcing quality stuff. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OdGh8guiFU
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The Whoreax posted:This sort of nationalism always seems weird to anyone who was not completely raised on it, so expatriates never understand it. It seems to only occur in people raised in homogenous societies, like it's a form of brainwashing almost. It's not like a form of brainwashing almost, it is brainwashing. Happens on all sides, but as always when talking about China poo poo's been ramped up to 11.
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Lord of Pie posted:I used to work at a place that made air conditioner compressors and they decided to order a sample batch of crankshafts from China to decide if they wanted to just get rid of that machining line. Jesus loving hell. Sometimes I wonder how my shop stays in business and I guess the answer is simple : Don't be poo poo and keep the customer updated. But one time we were outsourced and made beer barrels. We did it cheaper, faster, and better than the original customer's request and everyone became happy. However, the customer wanted a site visit and copied what we did and took production back to their own factory  Can't be helped, it was their account after all.
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Grand Fromage posted:Yeah there's a lot of different stuff that I can at least sort of get when I think about it, but this is one of those areas where I just can't. I know this kind of national/racial pride is a thing and I can see the effects, but actual understanding of what it means to feel that way? Zero. The idea of taking pride in something someone else did because they look like you or come from the same place just doesn't compute. See this thread is a very fascinating insight into this very thing. You have Americans indoctrinated by the school system's US exceptionalism colliding with Chinese people indoctrinated by the glory of China. The end result is fat goons living in China, complaining endlessly about how it should be more like America, the Best Country on Earth, while utterly flabbergasted by the idea that people in another country actually have a similar irrational nationalistic fervor to them, rather than merely acknowledging the Great Superiority of the USA. Americans live very short lives before their deaths age 35 from obesity/treatable yet unaffordable illnesses, so it's really something that so many choose to waste their time attempting to spread manifest destiny in Asia.
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Grand Fromage posted:lol though I do find people from other countries seem to have a lot of trouble understanding the US system. Which I find odd, I know the electoral college is weird but I don't think it's that difficult to grasp? That and gerrymandered districts I guess, don't know if other countries have that. But anyway please respect our 20-30,000 years of culture I understand the electoral college my questions were mostly about how you guys can loving stand it THE PWNER posted:See this thread is a very fascinating insight into this very thing. You have Americans indoctrinated by the school system's US exceptionalism colliding with Chinese people indoctrinated by the glory of China. The end result is fat goons living in China, complaining endlessly about how it should be more like America, the Best Country on Earth, while utterly flabbergasted by the idea that people in another country actually have a similar irrational nationalistic fervor to them, rather than merely acknowledging the Great Superiority of the USA. the pwner has returned to pwn this thread with the harsh truth that we simply dont understand china
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Blistex posted:Just to contrast the "Poorly Made in China" stuff that we're constantly hearing about. Here is a video I posted 2-3 threads ago about a bunch of Chinese guys who had a love of scale model tanks and set out to build the best, highest quality ones that they could. It's pretty cool to see this kind of dedication and creativity, and see that even the Chinese have issued with sourcing quality stuff. This is so cool. Makes me wonder a lot of things about China. Also wish I was that technically savvy. I'd love to build things by hand..That were cool like scaled tanks..
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Fojar38 posted:I understand the electoral college my questions were mostly about how you guys can loving stand it y'know maybe at some point you'd figure out that it's not about china, but about fatass monolingual Anglo people who think that the world must cater to them and only them at every turn otherwise It's Wrong. thus chinathread: unremarkable fat whites who think they own the world encounter chinese people who, while not being able to match the girth and cholesterol levels of the whites, think the same. It really is a battle for the ages. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) THE PWNER fucked around with this message at 03:28 on Dec 19, 2016 |
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Blistex posted:Just to contrast the "Poorly Made in China" stuff that we're constantly hearing about. Here is a video I posted 2-3 threads ago about a bunch of Chinese guys who had a love of scale model tanks and set out to build the best, highest quality ones that they could. It's pretty cool to see this kind of dedication and creativity, and see that even the Chinese have issued with sourcing quality stuff. Cool video. BUT USING CHINESE LATHES AND CNC CUTTING? FAIL
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Stink Billyums posted:The ones I don't get are like: Korean person is really good at *thing* and wins an international title or something. Despite *thing* being totally lame, it sweeps the country and becomes a national obsession. Are these "things" all Blizzard games or there are other lame "things"?
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THE PWNER posted:y'know maybe at some point you'd figure out that it's not about china, but about fatass monolingual Anglo people who think that the world must cater to them and only them at every turn otherwise It's Wrong. you're rocking our anglo-centric world i assure you
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whatever7 posted:Are these "things" all Blizzard games or there are other lame "things"? Short-track speed skating? Which is actually kind of cool to watch every four years but most countries stop caring about it as soon as the Olympics are over.
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whatever7 posted:Are these "things" all Blizzard games or there are other lame "things"? It happened with boxing after the 1988 Summer Olympics
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caberham posted:Cool video. BUT USING CHINESE LATHES AND CNC CUTTING? FAIL Yeah they mentioned how when they bought their first batch of machinery, they got chinaed on the deal and ended up with useless garbage.
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