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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:Speaking of which... You're right, advocating for universal healthcare and good schools is really unpopular.
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Rand alPaul posted:You're right, advocating for universal healthcare and good schools is really unpopular. recent evidence has suggested that it actually is sadly
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Look, having socalism—my uncle was a marxist and trade unionist; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the University of Chicago, very good, very smart—you know, if you’re a democratic Socialist, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I'm one of the smartest people anywhere in the world—it’s true!—but when you're a democratic Socialist they try—oh, do they do a number—that’s why I always start off: Went to Chicago, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, became mayor—you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged—but you look at the socialism deal, the thing that really bothers me—it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are (socialism is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what's going to happen and he was right—who would have thought?), but when you look at what's going on with the four picketers—now it used to be three, now it’s four—
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ARE THEY NOT LISTENING TO THE loving WORDS?!?!?
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consumed by normies posted:its absolutely necessary to directly appeal to the working class, just not in such a loving hamfisted and condescending manner as whatever that poo poo is.
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Gizmoduck_5000 posted:The first thing you need to do is rebrand socialism, completely and utterly, from the ground up. And the first part of that is coming up with a new name and selling it to the public as a new idea. No, you're not going to be able to convince people that they've been wrong about socialism all this time. the idea has been so thoroughly vilified by the right, that people will shut down immediately upon hearing it and reject everything you say next on first principle. How about Tronc?
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logikv9 posted:what happened to your socialism american rebranding, wrapping it in the american flag and all of that i'm going to start that project locally starting next year during spring and bringing it to the local democratic party meetings not sure if i'll make it to the "insane uncle sam cosplayer shouting about prosperity gospel being for satanist charlatans, real christians help those in need" phase by the end of the year though
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Here's some good ways to appeal to the working class; In the wealthiest country on the planet, healthcare should be a right to all people. No one working 40 hours a week should be living in poverty, the taxpayer is subsidizing multinational corporations making billions by paying for the government programs workers at these corporations require just to survive. Infrastructure is crumbling across the nation while 99% of all new income goes to the top 1%, it's time for wallstreet to pay their fair share and employ skilled labor to repair or replace the nation's bridges, roads, pipes, and other projects. Improving mass transit and building high speed rail would be a huge boost to the economy both from workers building/maintaining/working, by people utilizing it, and by reductions in congestion and traffic for people who drive themselves. College and Trade school should be tuition free, no young person should be denied the opportunity to achieve a higher education or learn a trade because of where they're from or who their family is. People should not be locked up for using cannabis, we lock up more inmates than any other country on Earth. We spend $31,000 per inmate, plus who knows how much prosecuting these people, these people can't get work after getting out of prison, so it ends up acting as a revolving door. Imagine if we spent that $31,000 per person in prison for weed, to fund treatment and rehab for people with addictions to drugs like Oxycodone, Crystal Methamphetamine, Heroin, etc.
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"we don't want rednecks in our party"--the party that just lost the election handily
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Ace of Baes posted:Here's some good ways to appeal to the working class; you know what people who ain't working and are living out of their cars really care about? high speed rail
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"Hi, I'm [Democrat], and I'm going to make your life better because you deserve it."
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indulge yourself with our luxurious entitlement programs - you deserve it
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I'm so mad at idiot liberals everywhere taking about #HamiltonElectors. There is a loving -1000% chance of that happening. They are loving stupid and Lawrence Lessig is a villain for leading them on.
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While phrasing (boom) is important, it's not just about finding the right set of magic words that will unlock the hearts of the working class, it's about winning (and in many cases winning back) peoples' trust. It's not as though no one has ever proposed the government doing awesome stuff that will benefit them before. We need to actually prove that we're capable of doing (and willing to do) all the poo poo we say we're going to, and we need a better answer for past (and future) failures than "oh, that dastardly other side stopped us from doing what we want", even if that's true (and it is).
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Peanut President posted:you know what people who ain't working and are living out of their cars really care about? high speed rail If it provides them a job, yeah.
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docbeard posted:While phrasing (boom) is important, it's not just about finding the right set of magic words that will unlock the hearts of the working class, it's about winning (and in many cases winning back) peoples' trust. The Democratic party neuters any excitement for their policies by means testing them and making them overly convoluted. Good Policy: Tuition Free College and Trade School Bad Policy: Reduced tuition costs via work study rebate programs that are eligible to people who's parents make less than $X a year. Good Policy: Universal Health Care/Single Payer with hard caps on costs. Bad Policy: Providing subsidies to health insurance companies to convince them to remain in markets while ignoring gaps in coverage for the lower middle class/working class, penalizing these people if they're unable to afford health insurance from the private companies in their area.
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Good Policy: Eat the rich. Bad Policy: Anything but eating the rich.
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Military dudes and vets are like conditioned to love socialism. If we can get the rest of the working class to understand that we wanna give them the same benefits that armed forces members get, just without enlisting in the military they'll jump on our bandwagon. Free college, free healthcare for you and your dependents. Free dental, why not. 30 days of paid vacation. Systematic promotions to higher pay and responsibilities. Make a drat civilian job corps part of the DoD. Fix the drat environment, our infrastructure, help the tides of refugees that are going to come to our country. It's not hard to figure out. We just need a politician with enough cojones to tell it like it is. I was a marine for 5 years AMA
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yeah, as a southerner, that Redneck Revolt stuff isn't gonna get you anywhere. it's nice to see people trying something, but that isn't the way. direct the anger of the working class at the rich, save the history lesson on the origins of racism for after we start winning elections. in the end the rich are the true oppressors, so we're not relying on scapegoats or anything
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Serf posted:yeah, as a southerner, that Redneck Revolt stuff isn't gonna get you anywhere. it's nice to see people trying something, but that isn't the way. direct the anger of the working class at the rich, save the history lesson on the origins of racism for after we start winning elections. in the end the rich are the true oppressors, so we're not relying on scapegoats or anything i'm willing to bet that the impetus behind the racism parts of the memes are a way of preventing ecpol and idpol from going out of sync, effective or not which is admirable, but i don't know if it's gonna be effective
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bump_fn posted:memes.... bad??????? Memes are a measure of success, you can't just force them.
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all this rebranding socialism stuff just reminds me that a lot of bourgie liberals think they can win elections by craftily tricking poor people into voting for them edit: my home community has a serious opioid problem and i attended a couple of meetings with a local "opioid task force" that's basically concerned parents, school officials etc. they're trying to figure out how to stop the growth, let people know about treatment options, spread awareness and so on. these are all nice well meaning liberals from a very blue area. the last meeting i was at was seriously two hours of them brainstorming ways to coerce poor families into coming to an awareness event. stuff like "well maybe we offer them free childcare!" was framed not as a way to help out the working poor but as a way to basically bribe or entice them into coming. it felt like a meeting of rat catchers debating what flavor of cheese to use as bait. DAD LOST MY IPOD has issued a correction as of 14:30 on Dec 19, 2016 |
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Pollyanna posted:i'm willing to bet that the impetus behind the racism parts of the memes are a way of preventing ecpol and idpol from going out of sync, effective or not memes cannot be focus-tested, and they can't be manufactured. they evolve organically, in an ecosystem that cannot be managed and measured also memes don't mean poo poo speak plainly to people about how your policies will help them, that's literally the key thing in my experience
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RE a discussion from a while back about American labor heroes, local hero Pat Bagley did this comic series on Joe Hill, who was awesome and ruled     
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Serf posted:yeah, as a southerner, that Redneck Revolt stuff isn't gonna get you anywhere. it's nice to see people trying something, but that isn't the way. direct the anger of the working class at the rich, save the history lesson on the origins of racism for after we start winning elections. in the end the rich are the true oppressors, so we're not relying on scapegoats or anything https://twitter.com/conradhackett/status/810633146756661249 The "rebranding" of socialism discussion is funny, because so far liberals are still characterizing socialism according to what Republicans think it is.
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Ace of Baes posted:If it provides them a job, yeah. Don't say "Infrastructure is crumbling across the nation while 99% of all new income goes to the top 1%, it's time for wallstreet to pay their fair share and employ skilled labor to repair or replace the nation's bridges, roads, pipes, and other projects. Improving mass transit and building high speed rail would be a huge boost to the economy both from workers building/maintaining/working, by people utilizing it, and by reductions in congestion and traffic for people who drive themselves." say "We're going to get you your loving jobs back at double the pay"
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Serf posted:speak plainly to people about how your policies will help them, that's literally the key thing in my experience  " are the kind of people that'll never be convinced anyway and they're not exactly that big a number among rednecks, just loud, and they die out pretty reliably while the people who want help get help.most people in the poo poo would get on board for single-payer health care, a social safety net so their kids don't go hungry and homeless and whatnot. basically prosperity gospel is literally satanic and the rich man's chances of getting into heaven are exactly as big as the eye of a needle  Peanut President posted:Don't say "Infrastructure is crumbling across the nation while 99% of all new income goes to the top 1%, it's time for wallstreet to pay their fair share and employ skilled labor to repair or replace the nation's bridges, roads, pipes, and other projects. Improving mass transit and building high speed rail would be a huge boost to the economy both from workers building/maintaining/working, by people utilizing it, and by reductions in congestion and traffic for people who drive themselves."
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I first heard of Joe Hill from this socialist country song, which also rules https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTwt-Un0DSM&t=44s Well Joe Hill he worked any job he could find Boy he'd rake your leaves or pick your vine (Lord, Lord) He'd rake your leaves or pick your vine Yeah and they killed Joe Hill, put a bullet to his name But that bullet made a martyr of the slain (Lord, Lord) Bullet made a martyr of the slain
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:all this rebranding socialism stuff just reminds me that a lot of bourgie liberals think they can win elections by craftily tricking poor people into voting for them Wtf do you think just happened??
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:yeah the kind of people who scream "SOCIALISM! we're gonna put money in your pocket and make the rich pay for it
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bump_fn posted:"full socialism now!" - literally jesus christ
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