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Mozi posted:You can still think it's a reasonable idea in general. YF-23 posted:Last I checked you were only stating your own, personal, Danish opinion.
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YF-23 posted:Gulen until proven innocent is truly one of the brightest western values. ftfy
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A Buttery Pastry posted:That doesn't make any sense. I'm saying that, going by your post, "guilty until proven innocent" is an opinion you personally hold, rather than a principle to adopt in order to not impose our culture on the Russians and the Turkish.
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Pinch Me Im Meming posted:Literally nothing. He works for Putin's Russia in a position of power. That's enough for me to gloat about his death. The same logic that terrorists use when they blow up a western embassy or government target. Nice.
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Freezer posted:The same logic that terrorists use when they blow up a western embassy or government target. Nice. Well he's a dirty imperialist pig so...
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Pinch Me Im Meming posted:Oh no but what about the pragmatism!! Think of the realpolitiks! Yeah I'm sure Russia won't be able to replace faceless diplomat #125
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Freezer posted:The same logic that terrorists use when they blow up a western embassy or government target. Nice. Well yeah, terrorists are rational human beings. Choosing a target soft enough to damage is the logical choice to make.
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Pinch Me Im Meming posted:It will minutely disrupt the functioning of the corrupt and barbaric governments of both Turkey and Russia. A net positive. You really do believe in all of that? There is no possibility of things getting even worse? Things can always get worse and acts of violence can backfire in ways unimaginable. Turkey may become even more corrupt, Russia even more barbaric due to this, and international community won't say a thing because they don't like to see ambassadors getting murdered.
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Here's a link to the reddit live-thread on the truck plowing into people at the Berlin Christmas market. Currently 9 killed, 50 injured. https://www.reddit.com/live/y4kse2ib8b37
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Nilbop posted:Currently 9 killed, 50 injured. 
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Nenonen posted:In Nice the terrorist killed 86 and non-fatally injured 434, in both cases 15-16% of those injured died which is an astonishing coincidence if the Berlin body count stays that way. Though at this stage you can expect it to get worse... Well the Nice guy had much more road to drive on and plow down people on before his vehicle was stopped.
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Randarkman posted:Well the Nice guy had much more road to drive on and plow down people on before his vehicle was stopped.
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Kurtofan posted:Yeah I'm sure Russia won't be able to replace faceless diplomat #125 "Disrupt", not provoke the final collapse of the USSR, Tom Clancy style. Nenonen posted:You really do believe in all of that? There is no possibility of things getting even worse? Things get worse or better all the time without tracing it back to the One Primary Thing. Freezer posted:The same logic that terrorists use when they blow up a western embassy or government target. Nice. You're one of these people that dismiss all violence because it's, well, violent and therefore bad. There are a lot of you.
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Nilbop posted:Here's a link to the reddit live-thread on the truck plowing into people at the Berlin Christmas market. Well, gently caress.
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Terror operations underway in Schaerbeek, Brussels - apparently they're after ISIS recruiters. Eight arrests made. Good times in Europe. https://twitter.com/AmichaiStein1/status/810912565589114880 Junior G-man fucked around with this message at 22:34 on Dec 19, 2016 |
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Pinch Me Im Meming posted:You're one of these people that dismiss all violence because it's, well, violent and therefore bad. There are a lot of you. No, you moron, I dismiss the act of celebrating a diplomat being shot. I'm sure some people celebrated after Benghazi, and I would call them morons as well. Nothing good will come out of this, and the people most likely to suffer are civilians trapped in Syria. Putin just got an excuse to ramp up involvement and Erdogan will have to quietly watch from a corner with his thumbs up his rear end.
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Freezer posted:No, you moron, I dismiss the act of celebrating a diplomat being shot. I'm sure some people celebrated after Benghazi, and I would call them morons as well. Ok. I've made my case, you've made yours. vvv Consider this my response to you too. Pinch Me Im Meming fucked around with this message at 22:32 on Dec 19, 2016 |
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Pinch Me Im Meming posted:You're one of these people that dismiss all violence because it's, well, violent and therefore bad. There are a lot of you.  e: I feel sorry for saying that  I don't wish you or your next of kin any harm. I wish I could discuss this constructively with you, but I think us debating over this is futile. Oh for sure sometimes political violence furthers some political goals, but you can never tell if it really helps that goal, and at that point it also comes under question whether the goal was objectively worth killing for because you're too consumed by your ideology.
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Seems like the truck was hijacked, according to Polish media, dead co-pilot may be the original driver of the truck.
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Well since it's the first time I've seen someone post a thing and then edit it while leaving the original for eveyone to see I'll gladly recognize the matter to be settled ITT. But still up for debate at some other time in some other thread. Namaste.
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Randarkman posted:Well the Nice guy had much more road to drive on and plow down people on before his vehicle was stopped. I mean it'd be interesting if in both cases 1 out of 6 people hit by the truck died while the other 5 survived with injuries. But it must be just a coincidence that the ratios are so close and it's too early to tell if they stay that way, I do hope so. Pinch Me Im Meming posted:Well since it's the first time I've seen someone post a thing and then edit it while leaving the original for eveyone to see I'll gladly recognize the matter to be settled ITT. M'lady/laddy/porpoise 
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Trump won, so that shitshow is over. What's the next one, France?
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If Trump's tweets since the election are any indication, that shitshow has only just begun, friend.
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I hope I'm not going to die.
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Flowers For Algeria posted:I hope I'm not going to die. Either do it right now, or get prepared to stretch one of your arms a lot
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YF-23 posted:If Trump's tweets since the election are any indication, that shitshow has only just begun, friend. It's not that bad, let's have a look. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/810288321880555520 *nods sagely* I'm going to sleep now, good night everyone.
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Freezer posted:The same logic that terrorists use when they blow up a western embassy or government target. Nice. b-b-but what if they are freedom fighters 
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Well, it turns out the driver of the truck was from a refugee center in Germany, a Pakistani person. I admit I don't know why there are Pakistani refugees, maybe political? But anyway, welcome our new overlords, Le Pen & friends. Good thing we got rid of fascism here in Portugal kind of recently (1974) so we still remember how it is and won't go back to it anytime soon (I hope). Religion really is the worst loving invention. That and oil, gas.
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orange sky posted:Religion really is the worst loving invention. That and oil, gas. I too think coal is preferable, the all-prevailing London smog is one feature of old novels I never got to experience.
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orange sky posted:I admit I don't know why there are Pakistani refugees, maybe political? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_North-West_Pakistan
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orange sky posted:Well, it turns out the driver of the truck was from a refugee center in Germany, a Pakistani person. There's been an open insurgency in North Waziristan for years and repeated government offensives have displaced over a million people, several of whom have fled into Afghanistan as access into the rest of Pakistan was severely curtailed and a chunk of civilians don't exactly trust the Pakistani military
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orange sky posted:Well, it turns out the driver of the truck was from a refugee center in Germany, a Pakistani person. Got a source? I'm not seeing anything about that after checking quickly.
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Kassad posted:Got a source? I'm not seeing anything about that after checking quickly. Portuguese papers are quoting the Bild, what's the strength of the Bild as a source, tabloid or? http://www.tvi24.iol.pt/internacional/camiao/suspeito-do-ataque-em-berlim-e-um-refugiado-paquistanes
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Private Speech posted:I too think coal is preferable, the all-prevailing London smog is one feature of old novels I never got to experience. You know what I meant.
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orange sky posted:Portuguese papers are quoting the Bild, what's the strength of the Bild as a source, tabloid or? Bild is a horrible yellow press rag but they tend to be informed really well at breaking news stuff like this e: it's been confirmed by the authorities anyway
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orange sky posted:Well, it turns out the driver of the truck was from a refugee center in Germany, a Pakistani person. Not sure why you're so surprised. Despite the narrative that most people in this thread like to play up (probably because they believe it themselves), less than half of the migrants crossing into Europe by sea since 2015 were from Syria. Being Pakistani doesn't automatically mean you won't be granted asylum or that conditions aren't bad in Pakistan (they're terrible in a lot of places which don't grant asylum), but Pakistani asylum claims are mainly rejected: http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2015/09/daily-chart-16 edit: more recent numbers, 84% of Pakistani refugees denied asylum http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statis...uarter_2016.png Why are they still trying? My guess is stories sold by people smugglers, media narratives a while ago, not enough deterrence ("refugees welcome" interpreted incorrectly), the prospect of staying illegally after a negative decision or many others. Geriatric Pirate fucked around with this message at 13:01 on Dec 20, 2016 |
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Plot twist: https://twitter.com/welt/status/811181202623303680 The real suspect is still at large on foot and he's armed. Edit: orange sky posted:Portuguese papers are quoting the Bild, what's the strength of the Bild as a source, tabloid or? Yeah, so... To be fair, it turns out that it's the police that wasn't a good source. Kassad fucked around with this message at 13:36 on Dec 20, 2016 |
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Kassad posted:The real suspect is apparently still at large on foot and he's armed. hosed up if true, Weihnachten is cancelled
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