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Phi230 posted:Either start the civil war 2 or prepare for war with china When China invades, call me Comrade Comprador.
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Phi230 posted:Either start the civil war 2 or prepare for war with china the trump faction is going to be so weird with one faction that loooves guns and america and other faction is nazis
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Al! posted:so sue me for not thinking a leftist who sees himself as my master in his heart isn't any morally better than a capitalist who does just because he wears a different color of hat and hasn't taken power yet. we're all in the same situation
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big black turnout posted:if the alternative is to promise to wave a magic wand that fixes racism and losing to the person who is going to make everything worse for them then that seems like the better option, yeah. we can implement policy that eases the material conditions of minorities, but what policy is the president going to implement that makes a racist okay with interracial marriage? who gives a poo poo what the racist thinks about it, the point is it absolutely should be a progressive's priority to protect the rights of minorities as well as fight for economic justice. Literally no one cares if some idiot in 2016 is still weirded out seeing a black dude marry a white gal. The problem is when, say, an entire state ranks 'disapprove of interracial marriage' really weirdly high in polls and you have poo poo like clerks pretending they get to not issue marriage licenses to those couples and poo poo. The president can, since we're in this example, go 'lol no shut up moron' and stop that with a pretty simple executive order. That, shockingly, wouldn't take much any time at all from economic justice, but is still a good thing to do and campaign on doing if that's an issue that is coming up. It's not 'idpol' to say 'maybe there are other causes of injustice than economics and we can do what we can to fix those too'.
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:New York. California gets to be Sweden Texas gets to be the United States
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rudatron posted:why do you think 'you're going to have to work for a living if you're capable' is somehow equivalent to 'get back on that plantation slave' because of that whole history thing where communist states that claimed 'you're going to have to work for a living' actually meant 'most of you are gonna toil to death for the benefit of the oligarchs but we'll pretend this is somehow a different system because now there's MORE of you toiling instead of having a bunch of weird middle steps between 'toil' and 'oligarch profit'. Michael Bayleaf posted:Texas gets to be the United States how dare you do that to Texas???
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Tatum Girlparts posted:who gives a poo poo what the racist thinks about it, the point is it absolutely should be a progressive's priority to protect the rights of minorities as well as fight for economic justice. yes i agree but that's not what the op was talking about. there's a fine line between ending racism and preventing the institutional exercise of racism, but it often gets blurred to everyone's detriment. you can legislate against court clerks not doing their job, you can't really legislate against the random dude he brought up that is skeeved out by race mixing or whatever bullshit
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Tatum Girlparts posted:because of that whole history thing where communist states that claimed 'you're going to have to work for a living' actually meant 'most of you are gonna toil to death for the benefit of the oligarchs but we'll pretend this is somehow a different system because now there's MORE of you toiling instead of having a bunch of weird middle steps between 'toil' and 'oligarch profit'.
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i love capitalism
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checkmate, Donald  https://twitter.com/KeithOlbermann/status/811009680101273600
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big black turnout posted:yes i agree but that's not what the op was talking about. there's a fine line between ending racism and preventing the institutional exercise of racism, but it often gets blurred to everyone's detriment. you can legislate against court clerks not doing their job, you can't really legislate against the random dude he brought up that is skeeved out by race mixing or whatever bullshit Sure you can. Criminalize such behavior or beat those opinions out of them.
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You joke but these small things qre extremely damaging to Trumps ego
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Phi230 posted:You joke but these small things qre extremely damaging to Trumps ego don't you mean DONALD'S ego?
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Phi230 posted:Sure you can. Criminalize such behavior or beat those opinions out of them. logikv9 posted:i love capitalism
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Phi230 posted:Sure you can. Criminalize such behavior or beat those opinions out of them. *in extremely democratic establishment voice* actually we should come together with the president and his party to repeal the first amendment
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big black turnout posted:yes i agree but that's not what the op was talking about. there's a fine line between ending racism and preventing the institutional exercise of racism, but it often gets blurred to everyone's detriment. you can legislate against court clerks not doing their job, you can't really legislate against the random dude he brought up that is skeeved out by race mixing or whatever bullshit like I said I don't care, and I don't think many others do either, what they actually thinks, but you sure as hell can make it very hard for them to actually act on their bullshit thoughts. I don't think anyone but utter woo types think we can literally end racism, but we can at least make it real fuckin hard to be a bigot in public, and really that's all you actually need to do. That is until us gays finish our hollywood brainwashing program and turn everyone Full Gay, then we'll tweak the programing to fix Bad Thoughts too and kill 2 birds at once. rudatron posted:you're essentially saying 'socialism is impossible because USSR' so uh congrats on adopting that gop talking point I guess, everyone else in the real world knows that just because you have to work, doesn't mean you're in a literal gulag I thought we were talking about communism?
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rudatron posted:you're essentially saying 'socialism is impossible because USSR' so uh congrats on adopting that gop talking point I guess, everyone else in the real world knows that just because you have to work, doesn't mean you're in a literal gulag well when you say things like "if they're unwilling to perform any socially necessary labor time, they should be punished.", i assume you want the same thing those oligarchs had
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"if they're unwilling to perform any socially necessary labor time, they should be punished." thats what you said thats literally, what you said man
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Tatum Girlparts posted:like I said I don't care, and I don't think many others do either, what they actually thinks, but you sure as hell can make it very hard for them to actually act on their bullshit thoughts. I don't think anyone but utter woo types think we can literally end racism, but we can at least make it real fuckin hard to be a bigot in public, and really that's all you actually need to do. a strategy that not only wins the white vote but drives high aa and hispanic turnout for the candidate as seen this ye-oh...
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Al! posted:well when you say things like "if they're unwilling to perform any socially necessary labor time, they should be punished.", i assume you want the same thing those oligarchs had just because gulags existed or capitalism existed doesn't actually change that fundamental fact. calling having to actually contribute to society 'capitalist' is like one of the most sheltered and weird things to believe
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Phi230 posted:You joke but these small things qre extremely damaging to Trumps ego It's one thing to make fun of his little manlet hands, this is just pathetic.
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You dumbasses do realize we used to beat nazis in the streets with baseball bats and literally burned confeds alive
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donald trump is gonna be president and exxon ceo secstate during ww3 because the democratic party, with infinite money and the most popular incumbent president since reagan, could not stop it from happening lol what's the best geiger counter and what are the best brooms and hair dryers
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rudatron posted:punishing people who take take take, but do not give, is not an 'oligarch' thing, it's a human thing. everyone has to chip in, otherwise the system doesn't work, and everyone suffers. like i said, if all youre interested in doing to society is changing who the elites are and how the lower classes are punished for the offense of "laziness" count me out
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Phi230 posted:You dumbasses do realize we used to beat nazis in the streets with baseball bats and literally burned confeds alive i think trump has the market cornered on attacking supporters of foreign ideology on the street
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Dec 20, 2016 02:11
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Phi230 posted:You dumbasses do realize we used to beat nazis in the streets with baseball bats and literally burned confeds alive Yeah, now we have a bunch of whiny wimps condescendingly dressing people down for not being as woke as them.
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logikv9 posted:the trump faction is going to be so weird with one faction that loooves guns and america and other faction is nazis Turns out the gun-loving "patriots" were stealth Nazis all along. Who could have seen it coming...
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logikv9 posted:don't you mean DONALD'S ego? Hey guys I got a great idea lets call him Drumpf
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big black turnout posted:i think trump has the market cornered on attacking supporters of foreign ideology on the street not only that but he's doing with the nazgul since somehow there's never any evidence or witnesses.
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MizPiz posted:Yeah, now we have a bunch of whiny wimps condescendingly dressing people down for not being as woke as them. 5 taylor swift songs that destroy the arguments for internment camps
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Al! posted:like i said, if all youre interested in doing to society is changing who the elites are and how the lower classes are punished for the offense of "laziness" count me out What the gently caress does either of what you guys are talking about have to do with the Democratic party?
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big black turnout posted:i think trump has the market cornered on attacking supporters of foreign ideology on the street Lol if you think facism was ever foreign
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Ace of Baes posted:What the gently caress does either of what you guys are talking about have to do with the Democratic party? like the democratic party, this argument is a smoking pointless crater thats better off forgotten
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I wonder how many leftist movements are destroyed by infighting about what the world should look like 50 years in the future rather than improving society in the present.
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Zo posted:not only that but he's doing with the nazgul since somehow there's never any evidence or witnesses. He's obviously using some sort of secret supersoldiers, how else can five of them take on 20 of ours?
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Ace of Baes posted:I wonder how many leftist movements are destroyed by infighting about what the world should look like 50 years in the future rather than improving society in the present. oh im not a leftist, im a liberal tbf the argument started because some folks thought the left should also get into teh business of demonizing lazy poor people
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logikv9 posted:i love capitalism it just needs to be regulated you know just a smidge?
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Ace of Baes posted:I wonder how many leftist movements are destroyed by infighting about what the world should look like 50 years in the future rather than improving society in the present. All of them
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hey we should make things good and cool, my controversial opinion "well actually, it can only work this way because I say so" 
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GOOD TIMES ON METH posted:My personal theory is that Dems couldn't hang on to the Obama vote after the passing of Click and Clack the Tappet Brothers Are they both dead now? I'd believe it because 2016.
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