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Recess Rapist posted:I'm not defending this card in a vacuum, but this on T4 +1, land T5 +1 will let you drop a 7 mana Bolas on T5 and fix your colors to do so. It's not nothing, though almost every deck will take advantage of you if you basically take turn 4 off. Chandra does that too and also protects itself and is also playable in a Grixis deck.
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mcmagic posted:Why are the 3 4 mana gold Planeswalkers in standard MUCH less powerful than the 2 Monocolored 4 mana walkers in standard? Tamiyo is ridiculously good, but she's also Bant-colored. Bant Coco was Bant, so it played her. None of the decks currently in Standard are Bant, so none play her. If something coming up encourages playing Bant, it'll sleeve up some Tamiyo. Also there are 5 if we include Tezzeret in the count.
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Dec 19, 2016 22:36
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Tamiyo is ridiculously good, but she's also Bant-colored. Bant Coco was Bant, so it played her. None of the decks currently in Standard are Bant, so none play her. If something coming up encourages playing Bant, it'll sleeve up some Tamiyo. Dovan, Tamiyo and Tezz. What am I missing? And they are all mediocre to bad. Tamiyo is the best but even that was only a decent SB card or 1 of for the bant mirror
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Dec 19, 2016 22:39
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mcmagic posted:Dovan, Tamiyo and Tezz. What am I missing? And they are all mediocre to bad. Tamiyo is the best but even that was only a decent SB card or 1 of for the bant mirror Arlin and Kiora. Turns out is some Bant in this standard, because the value guys that made Coco so busted are still really good on their own, shockingly. It plays Tamiyo. Not a whole lot of Bant, mind, because the lists are mostly sad ex-coco lists that sleeved up copters instead. Also I imagine her board-state value-grinding lifestyle isn't suited for what Aetherworks Marvel is doing to the world. This MTGO tournament that conveniently was 8 Coco lists shows a spread from 2 main to 1 main to 1 sideboard. Never a split, it seems.
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Dec 19, 2016 22:47
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is nahiri not in standard anymore
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6.  Though I am pretty sure someone who makes a Modern archetype can't be called bad unless Standard and literally only Standard matters.
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Hellsau posted:Naw I lost to Rich Shay on round one of the daily, got a bye in round two and ate a seven day ban before round three. RIP me, my experiment with slightly better Mox Opals will hopefully at least get WotC to reban Gleemox. Hellsau posted:Surprise I actually got banned for playing Chain of Vapor. Probably. It didn't show up at all until I manually searched a bot's entire inventory after sorting alphabetically. I guess Chain of Vapor was shadowbanned and I got punished for finding a way around it.  I love your mtgo adventures.
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Dec 19, 2016 22:54
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80s James Hetfield posted:It's hilariously funny how you can be banned on MTGO for their stupid error on their idiot program I, too, see no reason to ban someone for intentionally breaking the rules.
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Dec 19, 2016 22:58
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suicidesteve posted:I, too, see no reason to ban someone for intentionally breaking the rules. Playing Chain of Vapor is the most egregious of rules violations.
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suicidesteve posted:I, too, see no reason to ban someone for intentionally breaking the rules. Hellsau didn't break a rule, though, because the stupid error on their idiot program is that Chain of Vapor wasn't banned. It'd be like punishing people for playing Eye of Ugin in Modern before its rightly-deserved ban. Wizards blatantly hosed up.
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Arlin and Kiora. True I forgot those and Nahiri. So there are 8 and only 1 multi colored one is any good.
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Hellsau didn't break a rule, though, because the stupid error on their idiot program is that Chain of Vapor wasn't banned. I am pretty sure that nobody is playing that card and not realizing that its supposed to be banned. It says its loving banned on the card. (Obviously not chains of vapor)
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mcmagic posted:True I forgot those are Nahiri. So there are 8 and only 1 multi colored one is any good. The gently caress are your standards? Does only Standard count? Because Nahiri is happening there too!
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Hellsau didn't break a rule, though, because the stupid error on their idiot program is that Chain of Vapor wasn't banned. MTG familiar doesn't show chain of vapor as banned in anything, am I missing something?
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Just to be clear, I was banned for clowning around with Gleemox and happening to run into a streamer that a WotC employee was watching. I don't think it was Chain of Vapor that did it, but my total inability to search for Chain of Vapor on two different accounts was just an absurd MODO bug, just like Gleemox being playable was an absurd MODO bug.
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Dec 19, 2016 23:08
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:The gently caress are your standards? Does only Standard count? Because Nahiri is happening there too! I mean Nahari...
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Dec 19, 2016 23:13
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lmao vryn's prodigy was like $18.50 on friday and i was going to buy one for a stupid casual edh deck but today they're now $27+ #frontier
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80s James Hetfield posted:lmao vryn's prodigy was like $18.50 on friday and i was going to buy one for a stupid casual edh deck but today they're now $27+ It appears people are trying to buy them up to0. I doubt frontier ever gets sanctioned and I will still be able to get a lot out of my jaces. At this point if I can straight up trade jaces for new lily I will be happy.
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Hellsau posted:Just to be clear, I was banned for clowning around with Gleemox and happening to run into a streamer that a WotC employee was watching. I don't think it was Chain of Vapor that did it, but my total inability to search for Chain of Vapor on two different accounts was just an absurd MODO bug, just like Gleemox being playable was an absurd MODO bug. So it's still their idiot program being at fault. Did anyone get banned for Myr Superion or any of the other myriad bugs that offer minor advantage?
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:So it's still their idiot program being at fault. Did anyone get banned for Myr Superion or any of the other myriad bugs that offer minor advantage? Iirc, there was an explicit warning not to use Superion, under threat of bans.
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Gleemox literally says on the card that it is banned. Mtgo being garbage is unacceptable but you cannot argue that anyone playing Gleemox in Legacy/Vintage doesn't know they are exploiting a bug.
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Rogue0071 posted:Gleemox literally says on the card that it is banned. Mtgo being garbage is unacceptable but you cannot argue that anyone playing Gleemox in Legacy/Vintage doesn't know they are exploiting a bug. i can argue it, and will until my death on the field of battle
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:The gently caress are your standards? Im pretty sure mcmagic's standard is "I think this card is good."
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Rogue0071 posted:Gleemox literally says on the card that it is banned. Mtgo being garbage is unacceptable but you cannot argue that anyone playing Gleemox in Legacy/Vintage doesn't know they are exploiting a bug. If it were banned, how could he have played it? Checkmate. 
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Some Numbers posted:Im pretty sure mcmagic's standard is "I think this card is good." Nonsense. McMagic never thinks a card is good.
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80s James Hetfield posted:lmao vryn's prodigy was like $18.50 on friday and i was going to buy one for a stupid casual edh deck but today they're now $27+ I'd offer to straight ship one to you for $20 but I'm about 1,000 miles from home. Good luck. MTG finance is dumb.
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Standard Showdown: It Was A Hit
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PJOmega posted:I'd offer to straight ship one to you for $20 but I'm about 1,000 miles from home. Good luck. Let mee know when you're home
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Boco_T posted:Standard Showdown: It Was A Hit Lmao
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Boco_T posted:Standard Showdown: It Was A Hit Supposedly wizards did a tweet asking how people liked the standard showdown and then promptly deleted it when every reply was negative. Some people said they hated standard, others said that the packs were terrible, and others said that they should do the same thing but for other formats because they hate standard, lol
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Dehtraen posted:Supposedly wizards did a tweet asking how people liked the standard showdown and then promptly deleted it when every reply was negative. Some people said they hated standard, others said that the packs were terrible, and others said that they should do the same thing but for other formats because they hate standard, lol It was a good idea, but without a follow-through many people are going to shelve their Standard decks. If only Wizards had the ability to, for the same cost as printing any other card, print cards people actually want to give out as incentives for playing Standard. Instead, I'm taking my deck apart along with everyone else. And the packs did suck. I'm glad I decided to not open the three I managed to get.
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Dehtraen posted:Supposedly wizards did a tweet asking how people liked the standard showdown and then promptly deleted it when every reply was negative. Some people said they hated standard, others said that the packs were terrible, and others said that they should do the same thing but for other formats because they hate standard, lol Not just supposedly, there are plenty of people in this thread that can corroborate it's existence. I found it pretty funny to read through myself. I've said this before, but you would think a company that can essentially print money for nerds would take full advantage of that and yet, here we are again.
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Panharmonicon is a fun card and there's some other cool stuff going on, but a bunch of the actual format-definers make for pretty lovely games. Aethorworks Mirrors basically turn Wizard Poker into Wizard Roulette.
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Dehtraen posted:Supposedly wizards did a tweet asking how people liked the standard showdown and then promptly deleted it when every reply was negative. Some people said they hated standard, others said that the packs were terrible, and others said that they should do the same thing but for other formats because they hate standard, lol Why would they do this when they could just lie and say that people loved it, like they did the last time they asked for opinions on Twitter?
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How do y'all feel about this Vintage Cube version? I've only done a couple of drafts, but it feels less powerful and I'm not sure how I ought to be drafting it. I've got a couple of 2-1s, but it feels like both decks are really just 0-3 decks that I managed to get lucky with.
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I don't get the hate for Aetherworks Marvel honestly. It's good but it is a top down build-around combo deck and those are sweet, and also completely beatable if you really want to devote a few slots out of your 75 to it, and this thread was bemoaning the death of all archetypes not-midrange-buttfights up until the very moment that one started to actually perform.
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"Do I have a game-winning creature in the top six cards of my deck" doesn't suddenly get more palatable when it's flipping Emrakul instead of like, a couple of 3-cmc dudes.
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I thought the complaint is that it's a combo deck that also isn't that bad at pretending to be a midrange deck
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sit on my Facebook posted:I don't get the hate for Aetherworks Marvel honestly. It's good but it is a top down build-around combo deck and those are sweet, and also completely beatable if you really want to devote a few slots out of your 75 to it, and this thread was bemoaning the death of all archetypes not-midrange-buttfights up until the very moment that one started to actually perform. Because the stupid bullshit where they try to use "look at the top six cards and hope for the best" as a balancing mechanic is terrible and just makes the games feel like they're left up to variance. We just got through playing with and against Collected Company for two years where games came down to "oh I missed on two Companies and lost" or "Oh you hit Reflector Mage + Duskwatch Recruiter, I guess I lose" and that's just really dumb to finally be rid of that card, just to have to face yet another high-power high-variance card in Aetherworks. naturally I played Company and now play Aetherworks, so I guess WotC has my number.
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sit on my Facebook posted:and this thread was bemoaning the death of all archetypes not-midrange-buttfights up until the very moment that one started to actually perform. There is more than one way for a format to be bad, you know. Just because goat poo poo starts filling the pool instead of cow poo poo doesn't mean the pool's suddenly better.
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