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Benne posted:Nia Jax has had like 50 different finishers on the main roster and I don't think any of them caught on Much like Nia Jax.
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Charles Gnarwin posted:Nothing named the Hog Log can be bad. There's a Pillman bathroom story involving a hog log, now that you mention it.
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Benne posted:Nia Jax has had like 50 different finishers on the main roster and I don't think any of them caught on its because she messes them up. all of them
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remusclaw posted:JR had a great story about Pillaman being really enthusiastic about a particular poo poo he had taken on one the WWE DVD's.
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Charles Gnarwin posted:Nothing named the Hog Log can be bad. I always wondered why this is in all the video games as The Showstopper. I'm like 90% sure that was his choke slam which doesn't seem to be in the games, at least as a finisher, since he switched to WMD.
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Wheat Loaf posted:I recently listened to the new audio book version of The Death of WCW. One thing that struck me about it since I first read the book is how it doesn't really talk about how the nWo split into different factions, which I would have thought would have been significant (though Hogan seems to disappear from the last part of the book). Hall was not doing well in '98. Watch those segments again and notice how pale and haggard he looks. In '98 he wrestled fewer matches than Nash and far more than Hogan, but didn't get as much promo time as either, I don't think. Part of the reason he got such big pops is that he didn't address the audience as often and when he did, it was short and sweet. But he was already spiraling downward, and even if he wasn't, his role in the Hogan/Nash/Hall nWo was to be the best worker of the three, and to do the occasional job that Nash and Hogan were loathe to do. To the extent that WCW wasn't up its own rear end about the nWo winning all the time in 98, it was often Nash putting over a guy like Flair or Sting as a threat to Hogan. And to Hall, it was a sweet deal, since WCW would let him get away with showing up in no condition to perform (and performing anyway), thumbing his nose at management, and occasionally blowing off dates. Really, one of the unethical things WCW is on the hook for is providing Hall a cozy six-figure hole in which to drink himself to death. Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 18:21 on Dec 19, 2016 |
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Halloween Jack posted:I don't know about any differences there may be between the text and audio versions, but I believe the main reason for the nWo splitting into sub-factions was that Bischoff seriously believed that the nWo could become a brand in itself, to the point of shows being announced and set-dressed as nWo shows rather than WCW shows. IIRC at one point he even floated the idea, I don't know how seriously, of literally running WCW and nWo as separate interrelated promotions so that the WWF would be the #3 wrestling company. The splitting into sub brands was really only done after the separate branding idea was soundly dismantled in the build up to Starrcade '97. I think it was that Eric really never had a good plan for what to do after the nWo angle ran it's course and honestly managed to really book one story several times. 98 was basically 97 and 96, but this time with the nWo as both the faces and the heels, and they made the WCW guys look like chumps in the process.
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Also in the response to Scott Hall. Watch his Fall Brawl match with Konnan and realize they booked him with a gimmick where he would drink during his matches.
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Halloween Jack posted:I don't know about any differences there may be between the text and audio versions, but I believe the main reason for the nWo splitting into sub-factions was that Bischoff seriously believed that the nWo could become a brand in itself, to the point of shows being announced and set-dressed as nWo shows rather than WCW shows. IIRC at one point he even floated the idea, I don't know how seriously, of literally running WCW and nWo as separate interrelated promotions so that the WWF would be the #3 wrestling company. Oh, yeah, it talks a bit about that and how the idea was abandoned after Souled Out, the all-nWo PPV, wasn't as successful as WCW hoped for.
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Good Listener posted:I always wondered why this is in all the video games as The Showstopper. I'm like 90% sure that was his choke slam which doesn't seem to be in the games, at least as a finisher, since he switched to WMD. Show also had the Final Cut - his twisting drop clothesline - which was alright. Still not nearly as much impact as a chokeslam from a dude his size though. Orton had a reverse/front-facing crab submission that he used for like a week, but they dropped it immediately for some reason.
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EugeneJ posted:I'm on a mission to find good Gangrel matches! man, watching Misawa and Kawada sell for those guys (who in turn didn't seem interested in selling very much) was painful. i guess it wasn't that uncommon a scene given the goobers Baba would bring in for the RWTL and CC in the 90s though.
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Someone recommend me some good or fun Josh Barnett matches. Also where did the recommend thread go?
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Suplex Liberace posted:Someone recommend me some good or fun Josh Barnett matches. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9oJ4IQXFT4
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Spermgod posted:man, watching Misawa and Kawada sell for those guys (who in turn didn't seem interested in selling very much) was painful. On the other hand Kawada just ends it by spiking that dude's skull into the mat so I don't think any voluntary selling was really necessary. 
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Yeah I don't feel to bad for the Japanese wrestlers in this case. They hire big mean looking westerners specifically to look like tough monsters so that when they do beat them it's impressive. It's not like either side is treating the other with kid gloves, all the stories I had heard from people working over there said that everyone beat the hell out of each other and if they didn't they likely wouldn't be working there for long.
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Do you think that Gangrel taught Misawa the art of fangin and bangin during their working relationship? But yeah Gangrel vs Misawa and Kawada is a "Daniel Bryan and Kamala had a world title match" level of weird crossed universes.
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i mean the latter was actively trying to be weird so it doesn't really count imo
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Spermgod posted:i mean the latter was actively trying to be weird so it doesn't really count imo OTOH, Akira Taue vs Tommy Dreamer for the TC was not.
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While we're on the subject, what's the strangest combination of two wrestlers in a match? Including multimans but not stuff like battle royals unless they had significant interaction. For me, it's hard to beat Simon Gotch having a (6 man tag) victory over Misawa under his belt.
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Baron Corbyn posted:While we're on the subject, what's the strangest combination of two wrestlers in a match? Including multimans but not stuff like battle royals unless they had significant interaction. For me, it's hard to beat Simon Gotch having a (6 man tag) victory over Misawa under his belt. Vampiro and Bob Backlund were part of a trio in WAR. John Zandig and Shinya Hashimoto were in a 6-man against each othet, and Kana fought Super Leather. Sadly, no footage of either of those, but I really felt like those were some truly absurd matchups
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Maxel Hardy defeated Disco Inferno
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There's a bunch of weird combos if you look at old king of trios E: actually looking at it there's not that many but you do have the Bucks and Michael Bennett vs Warlord/Barbarian/Meng and FIST vs Togo/Shinzaki/Sasuke Beef Jerky Robot fucked around with this message at 08:26 on Dec 20, 2016 |
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LvK posted:Vampiro and Bob Backlund were part of a trio in WAR. A trios match or the same team? Because if it's the latter, I gotta know the third man.
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Baron Corbyn posted:While we're on the subject, what's the strangest combination of two wrestlers in a match? Including multimans but not stuff like battle royals unless they had significant interaction. For me, it's hard to beat Simon Gotch having a (6 man tag) victory over Misawa under his belt. https://vk.com/video14563695_165426560
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El Gallinero Gros posted:OTOH, Akira Taue vs Tommy Dreamer for the TC was not. wasn't for the TC although it did happen on the same show as the Kawada/Kobashi 60 min draw
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There was a Rob Conway/Greg Valentine match on Heat in 2004 or 2005. I think Conway also fought a few other old timers around the time.
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projecthalaxy posted:Do you think that Gangrel taught Misawa the art of fangin and bangin during their working relationship?
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Suplex Liberace posted:Someone recommend me some good or fun Josh Barnett matches. Also where did the recommend thread go? I read this as Rob Bartlett and I got really excited.
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Baron Corbyn posted:While we're on the subject, what's the strangest combination of two wrestlers in a match? Including multimans but not stuff like battle royals unless they had significant interaction. For me, it's hard to beat Simon Gotch having a (6 man tag) victory over Misawa under his belt. Cactus Jack vs. Andre the Giant in a 6-man https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qKT_qNlGbs
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Baron Corbyn posted:A trios match or the same team? Because if it's the latter, I gotta know the third man. Same team. Third man was Dos Caras
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No Irish Need Imply posted:Let's all remember failed attempts at new finishers. Matt Hardy with the Ice Pick, a submission hold that kind of looked like he was cramming the opponent's face into his armpit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thLGnmEFVeI
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Baron Corbyn posted:While we're on the subject, what's the strangest combination of two wrestlers in a match? Including multimans but not stuff like battle royals unless they had significant interaction. For me, it's hard to beat Simon Gotch having a (6 man tag) victory over Misawa under his belt. Cactus Jack Vs Kenta Kobashi where Kobashi hits the double arm ddt on Jack and he learns the move for the future. Hulk Hogan Vs Abdullah the Butcher where they double juice and brawl into the crowd. Terry Funk vs CM Punk in ROH where terry screams "MY LEG" like he was being ran over by a steam roller. RVD Vs Kawada where he beats the piss out of RVD. Cactus Jack Vs Kawada where Cactus obviously couldn't give a poo poo and was only in shape because he just fought Randy Orton.
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Writer Cath posted:Matt Hardy with the Ice Pick, a submission hold that kind of looked like he was cramming the opponent's face into his armpit.
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That's not a hammerlock, just underhooks into a neck crank. Sort of like a cowcatcher with the actual wrestling context removed. It's one of those MMA-ish things that doesn't translate to pro wrestling well, since you can't see the guy's facial expression, he doesn't have a commonsense way to work towards the ropes, and of course the fact that it looks like Matt is dry-humping him to death.
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Boring question: what was Undertaker's best period in terms of in-ring ability?
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sean10mm posted:Boring question: what was Undertaker's best period in terms of in-ring ability? 05-10
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sean10mm posted:Boring question: what was Undertaker's best period in terms of in-ring ability? I honestly think he hasn't had better matches than his two with Lesnar in 2015 but 05-10 is a safer answer since he actually worked a schedule then.
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Alain Post posted:I honestly think he hasn't had better matches than his two with Lesnar in 2015 but 05-10 is a safer answer since he actually worked a schedule then. I'm a big fan of his work from around May 2016 up to today.
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VileLL posted:it's got to be brutus beefcake though Brutus headlined Starrcade, brother.
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Alain Post posted:I honestly think he hasn't had better matches than his two with Lesnar in 2015 but 05-10 is a safer answer since he actually worked a schedule then. He was carrying Batista to great matches so yeah, 05-10 is definitely his best run.
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