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Blazing Ownager posted:R1 really needed better characters but I do think some of their complaints are kind of silly. rations.... japaNESE PEOPLE.... THINGS WE KNOWWWW
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*sigh* stalingrad again why cant they show us something new
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Dec 20, 2016 22:07
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Quantum of Phallus posted:It's called mass effect That's actually kind of literal because it was GOING to be KOTOR3, but LucasArts started being pissy with the IP so BioWare said gently caress it and did Mass Effect.
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Dec 20, 2016 22:08
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The best Star Wars movie since ROTJ was Guardians of the Galaxy. This is similar to how one of the best Star Trek movies was Galaxy Quest. The point was, GOTG nailed the tone, got you interested enough in the characters to care about the outcome, and did some nice worldbuilding. Now I am not saying that GOTG is a seminal movie for our culture like Star Wars was, so don't think that's my argument. However, I'm not a huge Star Wars fan, so all I am looking for is an entertaining adventure movie. GOTG was very much that. In general I'm going for characters rather than plot when I'm watching movies. If the movie wins me over then I can look past its mistakes easily. If it doesn't - if it bores me - then I'm going to judge it that much more harshly. Most of Rogue One bored me. I enjoyed the third act, even though the Princess Leia cap was almost as unnecessary as the Vader pun. But I didn't care about anyone in the movie at all, and seeing those men get cut down by Vader wasn't suspenseful or tragic, it was just "neat." And that's kind of sad, because if I had reason to care about anything at all, it might have made the end much more effective. This and Westworld, ironically, hit the same sort of notes for me. Very polished on everything, well produced, (Westworld had better actors and better direction), but the characters were empty and you felt the omnipresence of the script dictating the events rather than the characters discovering themselves in the events. If the plot were interesting and creative, sometimes that can be enough. You could argue about Westworld's plot being interesting enough to override the character concerns (I'd mostly disagree), but you can't argue about Rogue One's. Also there were so many drat switches in the end I had flashbacks to playing Jedi Knight. Rarely have I ever seen 30 minutes so clearly set up to create a video game.
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Dec 20, 2016 22:10
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Fojar38 posted:*sigh* stalingrad again why cant they show us something new To be fair there's a ton of untapped potential in WW2 stories and a lot of crazy/awesome ones that never got a movie, or absolutely horrifying ones (Some fighting on the Russian front turned into a literal horror show, with people literally spiking and hanging bodies after massacres and crap, I mean it got dark). I am happy to say Christopher Nolan seems to be covering one such event right now with Dunkirk. I've thought that had a lot of potential for a movie for a long time.
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Dec 20, 2016 22:11
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Blazing Ownager posted:I am happy to say Christopher Nolan seems to be covering one such event right now with Dunkirk. I've thought that had a lot of potential for a movie for a long time. Boy that movie doesn't interest me at all. I saw the trailer before Rogue One and when I saw it was from Nolan I was hyped and waiting for the gimmick. There's no gimmick. It's just a WW2 movie. Haven't we had enough of those? I honestly don't care that it's a different battle, it's all the same poo poo. Let me guess the moral of the movie now: war is hell. My mind is blown!
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Dec 20, 2016 22:14
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eSporks posted:A star wars 7 Samurai might work. I'd rather see Star Wars Yojimbo with some smug rear end in a top hat Jedi wandering the galaxy clowning on Stormtroopers and helping the little people.
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Dec 20, 2016 22:15
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Blazing Ownager posted:To be fair there's a ton of untapped potential in WW2 stories and a lot of crazy/awesome ones that never got a movie, or absolutely horrifying ones (Some fighting on the Russian front turned into a literal horror show, with people literally spiking and hanging bodies after massacres and crap, I mean it got dark). this is true but the unfortunate reality is that not all the battles in wwii were movie material stalingrad and d-day are popular because they were both pivotal and exciting you dont really see el alamein even though it was a pivotal battle because aside from the desert setpiece it doesnt lend itself to an interesting aesthetic that non-nerds would care about
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Dec 20, 2016 22:16
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HerraS posted:I'd rather see Star Wars Yojimbo with some smug rear end in a top hat Jedi wandering the galaxy clowning on Stormtroopers and helping the little people. Lone Wolf and Youngling
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Dec 20, 2016 22:28
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Blazing Ownager posted:R1 really needed better characters but I do think some of their complaints are kind of silly. BLITZKRIEG! ICH FICKEN LIEBE BLITZKRIEG!
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Dec 20, 2016 22:42
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The Archaic posted:The main issue with R1 is the one-dimensional characters. We've got a big dude with a big gun, a possible Jedi-monk character, stone cold rebel spy assassin, girl who was taken from her father. Hell take a chance and have the two asian guys kiss just before the big wave of destruction hits them or something. Have Cardassian show remorse or redemption or something, make his death mean something, anything! My brother wanted Jyn Ersso to be an Imperial spy all along, gathering intel on the Rebel base. If written well it could have been a really cool twist. Cassian does redeem himself for getting the plans and not shooting Jyn's dad. He fails to extract him, the whole point is that he is no longer that rear end in a top hat who shoots his assets in the back when things go south or kills people on orders. He has gone from lone wolf to a team player who is does the right thing. He in turns redeems a group of people just like him. Jyn redeems her family's sins of creating the Death Star, she goes from a person who cares only for herself to one that makes the ultimate sacrifice. She also helps re-instil the hope and positiveness you see in ANH hope and the "can do anything attitude" for that 1 in a million shot, oppose to the dirtiness and despair that we saw in R1 as the council panics. The two Asian guys kissing wouldn't fly in China and would have been sort of out of place considering you would have to rewrite their relationship from best bros who have contrasting connection to the force to gay lovers. I would have like a little bit more on their motivations, but guessing they want to avenge their home city getting vaporised is enough. Bohdi goes from a scrambled, cowardly person in search of escape for having help construct the DS to a brave, resourceful person who is at peace with himself. R1 does introduce you to the characters, you still remember them long enough to type that out. Jyn might have been a little flat compared to Rey, but Jyn was a lot more believable, wasn't over acting and like every other character had a limited skill set. Rey is just poo poo. Jyn being a spy is m. night shyamalan BS twist terribleness. No. Plus the plot was already meandering in the first half, no need to add even more when it was barely moving what it had. Jyn's conflict was personal, not one of loyalty and why would she work for the same outfit that killed her Mom and kidnapped his dad? And for the love of everything holy, can we please stop asking for origin stories. They are all the bloody same and they are all bloody boring.
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Dec 21, 2016 02:42
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Agreed, origin stories are boring as gently caress. Whoever greenlit the amazing Spider-Man should have been shot. I was so disappointed Doctor Strange was an origin story. I don't give a gently caress how he got his stupid powers, I've already seen batman begins, it's basically the same. Give me more of that cool poo poo where he goes to alternate dimensions. Not some dour bollocks about Buddhist monasteries or whatever.
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Dec 21, 2016 03:10
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oohhboy posted:And for the love of everything holy, can we please stop asking for origin stories. They are all the bloody same and they are all bloody boring. Nope. We gotta get that Han Solo Kessel Run scene, because we can still die a little more inside.
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Dec 21, 2016 03:24
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I'll see this eventually I guess but a Gritty War Movie in the Star Wars universe doesn't seem like it makes a ton of sense to me It will probably be OK Like good job I guess Disney you've already burned me out on Star Wars because I know like one or two of these a year are coming for as long as I'm alive OK I'm still excited for the next mainline one but not all of the inevitable sideshows- How did Buttface Guy get to that bar?!?!? I gotta know!!!
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Dec 21, 2016 16:06
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Monkey Fracas posted:Like good job I guess Disney you've already burned me out on Star Wars because I know like one or two of these a year are coming for as long as I'm alive I don't understand this type of thinking. As long as they're good, why are people complaining? "Oh no, more good movies are going to be coming out for a long time. I'm mad about this." It's not like they're eating up all the spots that could be used for different movies.
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Dec 21, 2016 16:11
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WampaLord posted:
This is exactly what's happening. Mid-budget movies are virtually non-existent any more because every studio is churning out nothing but $200+ million stinkers.
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Dec 21, 2016 16:23
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Quantum of Phallus posted:This is exactly what's happening. Mid-budget movies are virtually non-existent any more because every studio is churning out nothing but $200+ million stinkers. Okay, but that's not just the Star Wars movies' fault though, they'd just be replaced with another non-Star Wars high budget movie.
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Dec 21, 2016 16:24
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Rogue One was hella good, Jay Bauman likes the worst loving movies and I stopped listening to him after he called the first half of the movie "boring". That's when I realized Jay is, no joke, a loving hack.
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Dec 21, 2016 16:25
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eSporks posted:A star wars 7 Samurai might work. I guess my notion is that the emphasis should be martial arts moreso than saber duels. The lightsaber at the end would be drawn in a treacherous final duel with the villain, like in that Bruce Lee movie with all the mirrors.
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Dec 21, 2016 16:30
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8-Bit Scholar posted:I guess my notion is that the emphasis should be martial arts moreso than saber duels. The lightsaber at the end would be drawn in a treacherous final duel with the villain, like in that Bruce Lee movie with all the mirrors. Enter the Dragon?
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Dec 21, 2016 16:38
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WampaLord posted:I don't understand this type of thinking. As long as they're good, why are people complaining? Ugh y'know it's really just me. This is a personal issue. I'm personally upset that I'm just so indifferent towards the movies. That a thing that used to be super special and cool to me is just like "oh, look, another Star Wars movie. Great. I guess I'll see that eventually." Just a merciless release cycle that I already know about because they released their 30-year plan or whatever. The totally visible, obvious, and complete commodification of a cultural touchstone; the things coming out of an assembly line with three shifts for as long as they can generate money with it. I know it's trite at this point to criticize Hollywood for being obsessed with making money at the expense of making movies that are a genuine artistic endeavor, more of a creation of an individual or small team than a boardroom full of suits analyzing market trends and tailoring a movie to a particular audience. Test-tube movies, custom-grown in a clinical environment. But that's how I feel. Monkey Fracas fucked around with this message at 16:57 on Dec 21, 2016 |
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Dec 21, 2016 16:52
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Monkey Fracas posted:The totally visible, obvious, and complete commodification of a cultural touchstone Sure, but this seems like a really weird time to get mad about the commodification of Star Wars, it's been happening for decades. Remember every toy for every prequel character?
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Dec 21, 2016 16:56
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What's Gilchrist's take in Rogue One?
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Dec 21, 2016 16:59
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a bone to pick posted:Rogue One was hella good, Jay Bauman likes the worst loving movies and I stopped listening to him after he called the first half of the movie "boring". That's when I realized Jay is, no joke, a loving hack. Jay likes some of the worst loving movies. They are all hacks. Yup. Regardless, the first half of Rogue One is boring as all hell. It's a loving slog to get through. Let's say you're a fan of the movie. Let's say you buy the blu-ray when it comes out and you watch it again. Then what happens when you watch it a third time? I'll put good money down on you skipping to the third act, because nothing in the first and barely anything in the second act is relevant or even particularly interesting.
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Dec 21, 2016 17:02
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WampaLord posted:Sure, but this seems like a really weird time to get mad about the commodification of Star Wars, it's been happening for decades. Like yeah I know, I almost mentioned this. The first movie had toys and poo poo for decades as well. Everything has tie-in products nowadays and it's been like this for years. But the scale of this particular venture seems a little more grand than cranking out some licensed products- it feels like some of the movies themselves are tie-in products; just kinda slapping a Star Wars veneer on an action movie and using that to sell it. I KNOW that's just how things work but it doesn't mean I have to be happy about it.
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Dec 21, 2016 17:06
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ashpanash posted:Jay likes some of the worst loving movies. They are all hacks. Yup. I actually like meeting the characters again like the introductions of the Asian duo and K2, I also like the jeddha battle and when they explode the city. There are a lot of parts in the beginning that are fun to watch again. IMO only the first 10 minutes are "boring" but it's still better than Episode VI where there's a good 30 minutes of nothing but alien dialogue.
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Dec 21, 2016 17:09
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Capntastic posted:What's Gilchrist's take in Rogue One? It's a classic.
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Dec 21, 2016 17:11
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Monkey Fracas posted:Like yeah I know, I almost mentioned this. The first movie had toys and poo poo for decades as well. Everything has tie-in products nowadays and it's been like this for years. I agree with this, and it turns out that I don't particularly give a poo poo about things that happen to have the Star Wars name attached to them anymore. I care as little about Star Wars now as I do about Star Trek, and I used to like both. I'm not opposed to them, just, whatever.
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Dec 21, 2016 17:12
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a bone to pick posted:I actually like meeting the characters again like the introductions of the Asian duo and K2, I also like the jeddha battle and when they explode the city. There are a lot of parts in the beginning that are fun to watch again. Even you pointing out some possible highlights in the early going, that still sounds like a lot of skipping around. It's not a movie where you really feel like sitting down and watching it all the way through. quote:IMO only the first 10 minutes are "boring" but it's still better than Episode VI where there's a good 30 minutes of nothing but alien dialogue. All the star wars movies are dumb movies, only ANH and ESB are really standouts. And ANH only because it's well-structured and edited (no thanks to george lucas).
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Dec 21, 2016 17:14
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Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:I agree with this, and it turns out that I don't particularly give a poo poo about things that happen to have the Star Wars name attached to them anymore. I care as little about Star Wars now as I do about Star Trek, and I used to like both. I'm not opposed to them, just, whatever. Same. I looked forward to Trek. Now, meh (though really those later NextGen movies killed my interest.) TFA lost me as soon as the villain was basically Dark Helmet but done seriously.
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Dec 21, 2016 17:17
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Trek should always be TV-only and it should never involve Rick Berman ever again.
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I guess I'm weird for being happy that new Star Wars movies are coming out and that they've all been good so far. If they turn bad, I reserve the right to change my mind, but for now what's the point in complaining? Do you guys remember the prequels? Like, bitch all you want about Rogue One's characters but at least it's a movie where things beyond "sitting on a couch talking" happens.
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Dec 21, 2016 17:25
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a bone to pick posted:Rogue One was hella good, Jay Bauman likes the worst loving movies and I stopped listening to him after he called the first half of the movie "boring". That's when I realized Jay is, no joke, a loving hack. And perhaps...a fraud?
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I was ok with the opening to RotJ, the weird thing about it was it felt like a mini-movie that should have been an opening gambit before you go into the text scroll. The first half of R1 definitely has it's flaws. The greatest error was the time spent on Forest "Suck Air" Whitaker who ending up being not much more than sandbagging. His purpose was to delay the cast long enough so they could all meet. He is still better than random 50's alien cook straight up giving leads to Obi Wan. Once the escape starts things get serious and start moving along nicely. I am most definitely not watching the Han Solo movie in the theatre. TFA somehow burned me out on him and I just don't care anymore. If he ends up in a trash compactor again it's going to be nothing but this  TNG Trek had First Contact which pretty good, the rest is trash expect for maybe Nemesis if you look at it as a dude-bro movie between Picard and Data.
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WampaLord posted:Do you guys remember the prequels? Like, bitch all you want about Rogue One's characters but at least it's a movie where things beyond "sitting on a couch talking" happens. It's pretty wild how you can tell just from trailer shots that the cinematography in the new movies is light years beyond anything in the prequels. It's good that they've handed the franchise off to people who know how to make movies, at least.
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Dec 21, 2016 17:28
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I think its infinitely funny that the 2 biggest actors in the movie, Forest Whitaker and Madds Milkensen, had a combined screen time of like 10 minutes. My friend said its because they couldn't afford them but this is Disney we're talking about, they could hire whoever they wanted at whatever cost for their movies.
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Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:It's pretty wild how you can tell just from trailer shots that the cinematography in the new movies is light years beyond anything in the prequels. It's good that they've handed the franchise off to people who know how to make movies, at least. They went semi-old school with it, CGI drawn for the battles, but shot in the original styles of the OT. I am not sure if R1 had a shot reverse shot anywhere. The dialogue was pretty terse and not everybody was quipped with some sort of extreme try hard funny not jokes. that was left to the Monk and the robot. Everybody else acted like normal people with issues. I have no problem with them down casting Forest Whitaker and Madds Milkensen. Madds was effective where he was. Forest on the other hand, I have said what I needed.
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WampaLord posted:I guess I'm weird for being happy that new Star Wars movies are coming out and that they've all been good so far. If they turn bad, I reserve the right to change my mind, but for now what's the point in complaining? Yeah but, look. I just re-watched Guardians of the Galaxy. It's well directed. It has good characters and takes the requisite time to set them up and get to their motivations. It has memorable moments and good action set pieces. It has stupid space magic and silly cross-promotional setups, sure, but it is a hell of a lot of fun, and doesn't feel like it's just a retread. Whatever happened to Star Wars being movies like that? Why is the best Star Wars movie of the past two decades Guardians of the Galaxy?
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If you don't like the new Star Wars movies, then I get being upset at more of them coming out. I have liked them and thus I am looking forward to new ones. ashpanash posted:Why is the best Star Wars movie of the past two decades Guardians of the Galaxy? It's not.
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