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Jimbot posted:Nah, they didn't care for it that much. They didn't think the characters were memorable and the drama was only skin deep that felt forced. They also took umbrage from the tone, but I kind of expected that sort of criticism from them seeing how any deviation from expectation is considered bad or, at best, misguided. But the gags in the review itself is well worth watching it, even if you find the tone policing they tend to do tiring. Yeah, this one's an "agree to disagree" with them. TFA was a much better executed movie, but felt pretty much hollow to me. Rogue One had some flaws in the execution but was trying to do something new. I think the reshoots made for a disjointed beginning where they had to keep in weak and scattered scenes to hold the plot together, but the ending was pretty tight. I prefer Rogue one to TFA, they prefer the opposite, it happens. The overt referencing in both movies was annoying as gently caress, however. Edit: Also, I found the review kinda ironic that they feel Rogue One is built for dedicated neckbeard fanboys but apparently their enlightened vision of Star Wars is that any major deviation in tone somehow makes it Not Star Wars and therefore bad. I'm pretty sure demanding it always be the same is more a fanboy thing, but hey, what do I know. It just seemed like a heavy dose of "If you like this movie you're a bad person" which seems a bit heavy handed. stillvisions fucked around with this message at 20:43 on Dec 20, 2016 |
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stillvisions posted:Yeah, this one's an "agree to disagree" with them. TFA was a much better executed movie, but felt pretty much hollow to me. Rogue One had some flaws in the execution but was trying to do something new. I think the reshoots made for a disjointed beginning where they had to keep in weak and scattered scenes to hold the plot together, but the ending was pretty tight. I prefer Rogue one to TFA, they prefer the opposite, it happens. I dunno man that kind of seems like an awful lot of projection.
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stillvisions posted:Edit: Also, I found the review kinda ironic that they feel Rogue One is built for dedicated neckbeard fanboys but apparently their enlightened vision of Star Wars is that any major deviation in tone somehow makes it Not Star Wars and therefore bad. This isn't really a RLM specific thing, to be fair. I think their (and other's) issue comes from wanting to maintain an existing self-identifier ("I am a Star Wars fan") with new realities ("I do not enjoy these new Star Wars movies"), and trying to suss out how to balance those two statements out.
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Augus posted:Their criticism that Captain America Civil War was too serious was pretty dumb imo They're comic book movies not drama book movies!
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Star Wars fans literally don't know what they want, especially regarding novelty/tone. Although I will say that characterization was significantly weaker in Rogue One than it was in TFA, and if that kills it for you, then I perfectly understand. Rogue One had better visual direction and I appreciated seeing Star Wars stuff from a different perspective. I think TFA is the better movie at the end of the day, but I don't have a problem with Rogue One.
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Spark That Bled posted:For some reason, that summation just makes me think of the Irate Gamer "scandal" review of Super Mario 2. I would much rather watch The Irate Gamer than Game Overthinker, because the former at least works as an unwitting parody of internet critics.
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somekindofguy posted:Has the word degenerate been thrown around on this thread yet Internet Critic Discussion Thread 3.0: Entartete Kunts
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Jonathon McIntosh here to ruin your day with the latest hot takes. I mean there have been a lot of crappy takes today about this, but this is something else. Something special.
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I normally can't stand a lot of what McIntosh has to say, but I'm not really seeing the issue about this one?
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Every character in Overwatch was designed by the horniest people in the industry (outside of WayForward) so good luck with that one, McIntosh.
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Viewtiful Jew posted:Jonathon McIntosh here to ruin your day with the latest hot takes. The man is fueled by righteous indignation. He's that liberal people think of when they picture the snobby elitist who thinks they're better than everyone else for just being liberal. At this point, I honestly think he's just doing it to score brownie points. Roth posted:I normally can't stand a lot of what McIntosh has to say, but I'm not really seeing the issue about this one? His overt message is OK, but I just get the impression that she's not Zarya so she can't be queer because she fits the male definition of "ideal beauty" (petite, spunky, attactive, athletic, probably likes video games). He wants Blizzard to design characters who make straight males uncomfortable, whatever the gently caress that means, and if he means characters like Zarya then only those characters should be assigned a sexuality that isn't well represented in a game. I hate saying this poo poo but it sounds like the dude is just man/straight-splaining on behalf of a demographic he doesn't quite understand. Jimbot fucked around with this message at 23:20 on Dec 20, 2016 |
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Can any Overwatch fans Explain Like I'm Five the issue behind this? But yeah, McIntonish is basically Whiteprogressives.txt
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I just now realized that Bob Chipman and Jim Sterling are different people.
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Viewtiful Jew posted:Jonathon McIntosh here to ruin your day with the latest hot takes. This reminds me of something else I saw recently.  
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Violet_Sky posted:Can any Overwatch fans Explain Like I'm Five the issue behind this? People mad about the British Dyke being a Dyke and making a fuss over it. Tracer is the poster child of controversy in regards to Overwatch.
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Yeah, I can understand not liking the characters. I think they were fine but whatever. My only real complaint is Vader's scene where he talks to and chokes the Director of the Death Star project was pointless. Plus, something seemed off with the costume. Like they only had a couple of hours to put a Vader costume together and shoot th scene so they just grabbed a Vader helmet from a Disney store nearby. But I really liked Rouge One. It gave me what I wanted from a non mainline Star Wars movie, a wider look at the universe. Like different planets and people not related to the Skywalkers. Plus I love the idea of Resistance fighters who the Rebel Alliance wants nothing to do with. Hey Marvel! Get us a Saul Guerra comic!
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Jimbot posted:His overt message is OK, but I just get the impression that she's not Zarya so she can't be queer because she fits the male definition of "ideal beauty" (petite, spunky, attactive, athletic, probably likes video games). He wants Blizzard to design characters who make straight males uncomfortable, whatever the gently caress that means, and if he means characters like Zarya then only those characters should be assigned a sexuality that isn't well represented in a game.
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Jack Gladney posted:I just now realized that Bob Chipman and Jim Sterling are different people. Did you never listen to either of them speak?
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So The Golden One filed a copyright claim on my video. Obviously, criticism is fair use - but filing a counter claim means you have to give your address. I'm fairly certain I won't be murdered by the UK Stormfronters who inevitably get ahold of this information, but just in case, I love you all, and it's been a pleasure arguing with you about anime Hail Kultmarx
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Hbomberguy posted:So The Golden One filed a copyright claim on my video. Obviously, criticism is fair use - but filing a counter claim means you have to give your address. H.Bomb...May the force be with you.
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Hbomberguy posted:So The Golden One filed a copyright claim on my video. Obviously, criticism is fair use - but filing a counter claim means you have to give your address. Hunted down by a Swedish bodybuilder on a dark moor, truly a terrible fate.
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BigRed0427 posted:Yeah, I can understand not liking the characters. I think they were fine but whatever. I'm gonna be one of the fat idiots RLM talked about and say that the ending scene where Vader wrecked shop like a slasher villain was genuinely awesome. With the exception of that dumb choking pun, Vader was on point in this movie. I love the way you got a silhouette of his charred body, but didn't actually see much. He was shot like a movie monster. It was so good. That ending scene really restored a lot of the menace he had lost over the years.
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He's been portrayed really well in Rebels too.
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Spark That Bled posted:Did you never listen to either of them speak? Of course not.
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Beefstew posted:I'm gonna be one of the fat idiots RLM talked about and say that the ending scene where Vader wrecked shop like a slasher villain was genuinely awesome. With the exception of that dumb choking pun, Vader was on point in this movie. I love the way you got a silhouette of his charred body, but didn't actually see much. He was shot like a movie monster. It was so good. That ending scene really restored a lot of the menace he had lost over the years. Oh yeaht. THAT scene is loving awesome, but if I was director that would be the only Vader scene. Maybe him overseeing the battle as the Rebels retreat. By the way, that Final space battle was awesome as well. Was that ALL Practical?
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Violet_Sky posted:Can any Overwatch fans Explain Like I'm Five the issue behind this? The new Christmas comic for Overwatch reveals Tracer is happily involved in a relationship with a woman named Emily (She's not another playable Hero, if you're wondering, just a comic character). The real highlight of the comic is how Roadhog and Junkrat spend christmas; going to Luna Park  (it's an Australian amusement park)
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Neddy Seagoon posted:The new Christmas comic for Overwatch reveals Tracer is happily involved in a relationship with a woman named Emily (She's not another playable Hero, if you're wondering, just a comic character). I hope these all collected in a physical book at some point. I would buy it.
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Hbomberguy posted:So The Golden One filed a copyright claim on my video. Obviously, criticism is fair use - but filing a counter claim means you have to give your address. Don't worry, the laws of historical inevitability will protect you.
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Kunster posted:As an agent of JDPON I'm bringing Kimble Justice doing a skype interview with one of the more notorious C64 composers: What a time we live in where, just last week, I wanted a video on the history of Giana sisters and knew Kim Justice would have me covered.
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Hbomberguy posted:So The Golden One filed a copyright claim on my video. Obviously, criticism is fair use - but filing a counter claim means you have to give your address. That guy's probably really short and runs like poo poo because his bulk balances his body weirdly. I believe in your ability to escape his vengeance. He probably barely comes up to like chest level.
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Terrible Opinions posted:Making Zarya the only lesbian would be a significantly worse bit of stereotyping and awkwardness though. yeah, tracer being the unexpected gay character actually owns? she's practically a symbol of the game's entire aesthetic ideals, that they would make her gay is unexpected and cool
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cat doter posted:yeah, tracer being the unexpected gay character actually owns? she's practically a symbol of the game's entire aesthetic ideals, that they would make her gay is unexpected and cool The real surprise of the comic is that Tracer can take that chest-mounted rig off. The general implication til now has been that that's the only thing keeping her from phasing randomly through time and space.
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cat doter posted:yeah, tracer being the unexpected gay character actually owns? she's practically a symbol of the game's entire aesthetic ideals, that they would make her gay is unexpected and cool Mcintosh is a dummy.
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Terrible Opinions posted:Making Zarya the only lesbian would be a significantly worse bit of stereotyping and awkwardness though. I was expecting Zarya to be lesbian or possibly Sombra but it being Tracer is definitely out of left-field in a good way. Am curious though if they're gonna make any of the male characters bi/gay at some point.
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Augus posted:Mcintosh is a dummy. he's kind of the poster child of male feminists in some circles which is just the worst
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WHY BONER NOW posted:What a time we live in where, just last week, I wanted a video on the history of Giana sisters and knew Kim Justice would have me covered. I also honestly advise the Tec Toy vid since usually when I look for coverage of Brazilian Sega stuff it goes to messy "RARRARR WHY DON'T WE HAVE PINOCHET" poo poo while this one actually bothers to find a decent explanation for why games are expensive there!
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Beefstew posted:I'm gonna be one of the fat idiots RLM talked about and say that the ending scene where Vader wrecked shop like a slasher villain was genuinely awesome. With the exception of that dumb choking pun, Vader was on point in this movie. I love the way you got a silhouette of his charred body, but didn't actually see much. He was shot like a movie monster. It was so good. That ending scene really restored a lot of the menace he had lost over the years. That was my general sense of it too. Like the literal word-for-word thought that went through my head as I watched that final scene was "holy gently caress, it's been 15 years but I am terrified of Darth Vader again  "
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For me, Star Wars has always been about the characters - not the ten billion EU characters, but the main ones. I mean, there's lots of great fun stuff in the original films, but we get to like Luke as he grows from frustrated farm boy to hero, or Han as he grows from selfish hustler to a rogue with a heart of gold. That's what TFA nailed - Finn, Rey and Poe are likable characters and enjoyed watching their adventures and I'm interested in seeing what happens to them next in Episode 8. The prequel films had dull characters who had no personality, aside from being annoying or angry. Rogue One looked pretty, and the third act was really good with the battle stuff, but the characters weren't interesting. We were given reasons and character moments to care about Rey, what was Jyn's character? What made her team special? They weren't a ragtag group of colourful misfits, they felt like faceless random people shoved together. It's a shame, because it was a really well made film with a great cast, but it felt filler-y and I found myself not caring that much until the final act. I'm not as down on it as the RLM guys were, but it did feel like a story that should have been told in a comic book or a novel or video game, not a movie. Can anyone explain the AVGN Christmas special? I don't get the joke at all, and I normally really like the AVGN Christmas episodes. OldMemes fucked around with this message at 02:21 on Dec 21, 2016 |
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