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Hollismason posted:However, surprisingly all the medical stuff where their actually fixing people is kind of spot on. Uhhhhhh this is not even remotely true though? That's the biggest suspension of disbelief imo, is literally all of their medical knowledge is just TV absurdity.
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Season 3 tried to do too much, too fast. Either the Polis Politics/Ice Nation stuff or the Alie plot could've sustained an entire 12-episode season on its own, but they insisted on burning though both in only 16, and pretty much everything suffered as a result.
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Hollismason posted:*crosses fingers* I hope they kill Finn. Cause you know he's a psychopath who murdered like 18 unarmed people. God I was so happy when this happened. I already thought it was a little too drawn out. I couldn't believe there wasn't a larger mob trying to throw him out of the gates - not because they give a poo poo about the 18 Grounders that he slaughtered but because he's the difference between them getting to stay where they are, alive with a peace treaty working towards getting the 47 out of Mt. Weather and just getting slaughtered by the Grounder army. They've probably floated people for less. That said, I also understand he was a main character and they had to pad it out a little for dramatic effect. But I never liked him and by the time he slaughtered half of that village, I detested him and couldn't wait for him to die.
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The Pike stuff last season was so terrible. While I could buy that the characters would all know this guy who we haven't seen before its just bad TV to do something like that. Although I guess in hindsight the election bit turned out to be a little prophetic.
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I liked the Pike stuff. I find Pike to be a very believable character and his rise to power was shows to be entirely possible bu the 2016 elections. What I didn't like, was Bellamy's part in all this. He had been working with grounders for a while, had befriended one and should definitely have known better. That part, was completely dumb. I originally didn't think so, but this thread has opened my eyes on that fact.
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Dalael posted:I liked the Pike stuff. I find Pike to be a very believable character and his rise to power was shows to be entirely possible bu the 2016 elections. 
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I think it suits Bellamy just fine to fall in behind Pike, just that it was rushed like many aspects of season 3. Hell, even if he had simply shown a little hesitation it would have gone a long way. Really just dump the girlfriend scenes and use that screentime to establish why his trust in grounders is growing thin again, idk. At any rate he's a follower who has always had issues with grounders in general, trusting very few, so him ending up Pike's right hand man with no Clarke there to order him around works for me. It was just quick.
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esperterra posted:I think it suits Bellamy just fine to fall in behind Pike, just that it was rushed like many aspects of season 3. Hell, even if he had simply shown a little hesitation it would have gone a long way. Really just dump the girlfriend scenes and use that screentime to establish why his trust in grounders is growing thin again, idk. At any rate he's a follower who has always had issues with grounders in general, trusting very few, so him ending up Pike's right hand man with no Clarke there to order him around works for me. It was just quick. There is a hell of a step between 'I don't trust these guys" and "I'm gonna murder the gently caress out of 300 of them" an they definitely did not build up to that.
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The motivation behind the change was supposed to be that one of the grounders he befriended manipulated that friendship and killed a bunch of people as a result, but obviously they executed that poorly.
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The only bad thing about Pike is we didn't have a good "Tailie backstory where we really got to see what happened to them and how they got from Point A to Point Fascism. If the writers had done it right, we'd have believed Pike to be a hero and doing the right thing. Instead we only saw half the story.
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I think it would've been better if they had just slowed down. Have a real war with the Ice Nation and show the people's growing frustration with Marcus's insistence that Lexa is on their side while she shuffles her feet. The destruction of Mt. Weather is the mid-season spectacle. E: The Arkadians get control of the missiles and Pike goes "Let's bomb the Ice Nation capital!" and Marcus goes "No, deterrence only". Then it goes boom. Lycus fucked around with this message at 04:41 on Dec 21, 2016 |
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Hollismason posted:Welp Season 2 is really good but now it's totally ruined my viewing because I actually have a back ground in medicine and the Fallout Vault people don't understand blood donations. The human body can donate a unit of whole blood every 8 weeks and you regenerate blood at a like 60 days. So basically they have 47 units of blood every 60 days. They could just keep Outsiders there fed and well treated around 50 of them along with the 47 kids would give you 97 units of blood 50% being SUPER BLOOD. They don't use the Grounders for blood transfusions, or at least not conventional blood transfusions. We're shown the procedure in 2x05 and it's more like using them as human dialysis machines. Running out of blood shouldn't be an issue - any blood that the Grounders end up losing should be replaced by an equal amount of MM blood. The reason why it kills them is because the procedure has harmful side effects, as shown when Jasper starts puking afterwards, and presumably if they do it too often the "donor" will die. Which is pretty much entirely made up, but real life blood donation science is still irrelevant. Also, we have no idea how many 'treatments" the MM actually need, or how many Grounders they can bring in each year, so we don't have any numbers to crunch anyway.
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Astroman posted:The only bad thing about Pike is we didn't have a good "Tailie backstory where we really got to see what happened to them and how they got from Point A to Point Fascism. If the writers had done it right, we'd have believed Pike to be a hero and doing the right thing. Instead we only saw half the story. It was never the writers' intention to paint Pike as a hero. Did you forget that flashback scene where he is trying to teach a bunch of teenagers "Earth skills" and goes totally apeshit on Murphy when Murphy doesn't take him seriously? The dude is an authoritarian who manages to rise to power by fanning the flames and taking advantage of tensions between the groups.
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The whole point of that scene was that pike was intentionally trying to make the kids hate him so that they'd finally all have something in common with each other. He was hoping it would carry over to earth and they'd work together. He wasn't just beating on Murphy because he lost his temper...
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The big problem with Pike is that he (and his people) came out of nowhere and their xenophobia seems completely irrational, considering the situation (they know have no chance of winning against the grounders in a war, so why provoke it?). But even worst is Bellamy 100% supporting him after a 5 minutes talk, he who above everyone should know betterINH5 posted:They don't use the Grounders for blood transfusions, or at least not conventional blood transfusions. We're shown the procedure in 2x05 and it's more like using them as human dialysis machines. Running out of blood shouldn't be an issue - any blood that the Grounders end up losing should be replaced by an equal amount of MM blood. The reason why it kills them is because the procedure has harmful side effects, as shown when Jasper starts puking afterwards, and presumably if they do it too often the "donor" will die. Speaking about the medical science behind the MM, is there any valid reason why they would need to collect the bone marrow like that, with the subject alive, awake and not sedated? edit: also, about radiation: the MM will melt after seconds of exposition, and that after 97 years. Becca arrives at the ground right after the nuclear explosions, the sky is still dark, and she seems to be holding up alright. wtf? Elias_Maluco fucked around with this message at 11:33 on Dec 21, 2016 |
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Elias_Maluco posted:edit: also, about radiation: the MM will melt after seconds of exposition, and that after 97 years. Becca arrives at the ground right after the nuclear explosions, the sky is still dark, and she seems to be holding up alright. wtf? She took a bunch of Rad-X.
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Elias_Maluco posted:edit: also, about radiation: the MM will melt after seconds of exposition, and that after 97 years. Becca arrives at the ground right after the nuclear explosions, the sky is still dark, and she seems to be holding up alright. wtf? She genetically enhanced herself so she could host the AI. She did the same to the survivors she found, which is why the grounders are radiation resistant.
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She sure was a crafty geneticist/programmer/astronaut/engineer
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Flatscan posted:She genetically enhanced herself so she could host the AI. She did the same to the survivors she found, which is why the grounders are radiation resistant. If that's true than it all makes sense, Im still at ep 8
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enraged_camel posted:It was never the writers' intention to paint Pike as a hero. Did you forget that flashback scene where he is trying to teach a bunch of teenagers "Earth skills" and goes totally apeshit on Murphy when Murphy doesn't take him seriously? The dude is an authoritarian who manages to rise to power by fanning the flames and taking advantage of tensions between the groups. TRUMP! 
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Season 3 is real bad ya'll. Like this Pike guy what the gently caress just shoot him in the head. " Obviously we need to provoke these people who outnumber us 100 to 1 into a war.
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Elias_Maluco posted:Speaking about the medical science behind the MM, is there any valid reason why they would need to collect the bone marrow like that, with the subject alive, awake and not sedated? Not really. Mount Weather clearly has plenty of anaesthesia. They even use grenades that spray knockout gas everywhere as weapons. Plus they show zero hesitation in sedating Bellamy after he gets a little uppity in his Grounder cage. You could maybe justify Harper since Cage and Tsing were trying to avoid detection by Dante and hospitals tend to keep a close eye on their anaesthetic supplies (because they're afraid that doctors might steal them for recreational and/or commercial purposes). But there's no justification for why they would keep doing it that way after Cage takes over. Especially after Raven bites a doctor's ear off, which she wouldn't have been able to do had she been sedated before they took her out of the handcuffs.
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enraged_camel posted:It was never the writers' intention to paint Pike as a hero. Did you forget that flashback scene where he is trying to teach a bunch of teenagers "Earth skills" and goes totally apeshit on Murphy when Murphy doesn't take him seriously? The dude is an authoritarian who manages to rise to power by fanning the flames and taking advantage of tensions between the groups. No? Did we watch the same show? quote:Jaha They don't know they're going. d0grent posted:The whole point of that scene was that pike was intentionally trying to make the kids hate him so that they'd finally all have something in common with each other. He was hoping it would carry over to earth and they'd work together. He wasn't just beating on Murphy because he lost his temper... Yeah. He is told about the plan to send the kids to Earth and he realizes he has zero time to try and teach them to survive. None of the kids actually know what is happening and they are just a disjointed group of disinterested teens. So faced with a class clown that is just shrugging off the Earth Skills class because he doesn't know it's literally life or death, and he can't tell them that, Pike made the best decision to unite them against him and give them a reality check at the same time. After that he is running the Trumpocalypse all over everyone's asses.
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Has anybody watched this via the CW app? Just had a friend mention that he thinks you can either stream it live, or the day after?
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Fat Shat Sings posted:Yeah. He is told about the plan to send the kids to Earth and he realizes he has zero time to try and teach them to survive. This is precisely the type of "ends justify the means" mentality that authoritarians possess. Thank you for making my point for me. 
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Johnny Truant posted:Has anybody watched this via the CW app? Just had a friend mention that he thinks you can either stream it live, or the day after? I think that's the case, yeah. For American viewers anyway. Canada gets them night of on Netflix.
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Yes, once the show actually starts airing the CW app will have it up day after, with commercials. The commercials aren't too bad but you will see pretty much the same ones every break.
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Johnny Truant posted:Has anybody watched this via the CW app? Just had a friend mention that he thinks you can either stream it live, or the day after? Does that thing crash constantly for anyone else on Android?
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enraged_camel posted:This is precisely the type of "ends justify the means" mentality that authoritarians possess. Thank you for making my point for me. i've been posting with avatars and signatures off for awhile now. Just realized who you are. Disregard my last post. abort. abort. abort.
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I'm guessing Kodi is still  ?Because it's got your back.
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Fat Shat Sings posted:Disregard my last post. Trust me, that won't be a problem at all.
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Rocksicles posted:I'm guessing Kodi is still ?? Kodi is just a media player. Is there a CW extension or something?
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Ive finished the 3 season and I got a question: so the grounder commander has (and always had) A.I inside their heads, ok. But what difference does it makes? Lexa was smart, but for her own merits, not because of that (at least that is what Titus says). She still was less smart than Clarke and did not seem to have any extra knowledge or anything like that because of the "flame". And even with the A.I, the grounders were totally helpless against the mountain men for decades before the Ark people showed up and came up with a plan to destroy them. So, what ALIE 2.0 even does?
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To me it basically seems to be a technological version of the Avatar spirit from ATLA. She can use it to confer with her past lives and gain their "Wisdom" such as it is.
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Elias_Maluco posted:Ive finished the 3 season and I got a question: so the grounder commander has (and always had) A.I inside their heads, ok. But what difference does it makes? Think of Lexa being very intelligent and thoughtful. Now, think of her as intelligent and thoughtful, plus she has access to a wide body of knowledge including history, strategy, philosophy, political theory, sociology and so on.
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TheCenturion posted:Think of Lexa being very intelligent and thoughtful. Now, think of her as intelligent and thoughtful, plus she has access to a wide body of knowledge including history, strategy, philosophy, political theory, sociology and so on. yeah, except she does not seems to have that at all? The plan against Mount Weather was Clarke, the grounders didn't even understand what the mountain men were before the ark people came Not only Lexa only followed Clarke's plan, she also betrayed it for no good reason when they were about to storm in and win
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Lexa was an idiot and we are all richer for her passing. Pike was the only hero this series had, until Jaha found the god box. These are facts and to disagree means you suck at watching tv.
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Elias_Maluco posted:yeah, except she does not seems to have that at all? The plan against Mount Weather was Clarke, the grounders didn't even understand what the mountain men were before the ark people came Which makes the AI chip in her brain even dumber. Surely every other dead ghost leader in there would be telling her she is loving retarded, but nope.
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Elias_Maluco posted:yeah, except she does not seems to have that at all? The plan against Mount Weather was Clarke, the grounders didn't even understand what the mountain men were before the ark people came It sounds like you weren't paying attention. Mt. Weather had a lot of Grounder prisoners, who would undoubtedly be executed in the event of invasion. Mt. Weather simply made a secret pact with Lexa and told her to back off in return for keeping those people alive. And Lexa took it because as a leader, she wanted to do what was best for her people, even if that meant betraying Clarke. There isn't anything implausible about this. She said this herself when Clarke confronted her: that if Clarke had been given the same choice, she would have chosen her people over others too. And in fact has. Multiple times. This is why she exiled herself at the end of season 2, because she realized Lexa was right and didn't want to bear that burden anymore.
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