|
Stux posted:this doesnt make sense either though. sonic games dont command such a price premium. neither do star wars games. nor do angry bird games. sure, sonic might not be mario big, but i think you would agree that star wars and angry birds are certainly up there, if not a bigger draw, yet there isnt the premium that there is for this game. also, having just played the demo, i dont feel there is polish or presentation above or beyond the better mobile titles out there. it feels roughly the same, which is great because it means nintendo are well placed in mobile gaming already, but it still doesnt explain the price unless its literally a price gouge on nintendo fans, which is what it sounds like you are saying it is. Yeah well, Mario games are generally good, while all your examples are poo poo. lovely games generally don't command a price premium.
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2016 16:49
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 10, 2024 08:44 |
|
|
oddium posted:you dummy a hamburger is a sandwich You're right I should just get a calzOne.
|
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2016 16:49
|
|
|
the gyro uses the wrong type of lamb
|
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2016 16:51
|
|
|
Libluini posted:Yeah well, Mario games are generally good, while all your examples are poo poo. lovely games generally don't command a price premium. this isnt an argument either, and it also ignores entirely the context of what i was saying. i dont think you need to be attacking other games like this to excuse a small price gouge. a criticism like this doesnt mean i think mario or the game itself is poo poo or bad, just a bit over priced, thats all. theres no need to start getting mean about it.
|
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2016 16:52
|
|
|
oddium posted:the gyro uses the wrong type of lamb ...you win
|
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2016 16:53
|
|
|
Stux posted:i think this is a bit of a dismissive comment rather than an actual engagement. even if you dont personally like gta i think its pretty ridiculous to dismiss the comparison out of hand because you think theyre not up to snuff quality or content wise. these are big games, considered classics, that you happen to personally not enjoy. that doesnt erase the point. Let me elaborate then: the GTA series is ok but it doesn't do anything great gameplay wise. It's the same thing over and over with mediocre shooting, mediocre driving, and somewhat interesting stories. I played them all, they aren't bad but they can't be compared to Mario games, nor they should be as expensive on mobile. The fact that a series is considered "a classic" nowadays is also very ambiguous. Assassin's Creed is considered a classic but the games are all terrible with the exception of AC2 and 4 only because they nailed the narrative and the atmosphere. It's basically like watching a lovely movie while going through the motions. The AC movie is also very lovely, coincidentally.
|
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2016 17:01
|
|
|
Libluini posted:Yeah well, Mario games are generally good, while all your examples are poo poo. lovely games generally don't command a price premium. Stux is being disingenuous. These are the same points he will make defending Apple products. He's just trying to bait the thread into attacking him, so please don't worry.
|
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2016 17:03
|
|
|
I think we've all engaged stux enough between probations
|
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2016 17:05
|
|
|
I haven't even had Super Mario Run for a week yet. I paid the $10, put 5 hrs 15 minutes into it so far. I've gotten 200 of the 360 coins, so that's roughly 55% of the content, and that's not really getting into trying to replay these levels and get a higher score and such. Like if I get 10 hour out of this game for $10, that's way more than I've expected. I've paid more for games I've played much less.
|
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2016 17:09
|
|
|
Kawabata posted:Let me elaborate then: the GTA series is ok but it doesn't do anything great gameplay wise. It's the same thing over and over with mediocre shooting, mediocre driving, and somewhat interesting stories. I played them all, they aren't bad but they can't be compared to Mario games, nor they should be as expensive. i mean this again isnt really an actual line of reasoning though. nearly every game is "the same thing over and over" and your judgments on the mechanical systems are purely subjective too. i mean, you could quite easily make the same argument about mario titles, and i certainly know some people who do feel that way about mario games. that doesnt make what theyre saying into a fact though, just as it doesnt make your argument anything more than opinion as opposed to reasoning. i am coming from the viewpoint that the series i have mentioned, including mario, are widely regarded as good and enjoyed by a large number of people, so that we can skip quality discussions. i would understand if i was simply talking about some weird no-name games, but ive picked these purposefully because even if you dont personally enjoy them you should be able to see that they are of a certain baseline of quality that should be comparable. ive even skipped over the mario run game being slightly less interactive than a regular mario game here to try and have a balanced discussion about this, but it seems like you would prefer to just slate popular games instead in order to try and justify a price point that is higher than would be expected.
|
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2016 17:09
|
|
|
VideoGames posted:Stux is being disingenuous. These are the same points he will make defending Apple products. He's just trying to bait the thread into attacking him, so please don't worry. except i will gladly admit apple products are overpriced? i'll pay the extra for them, just as people are for mario run, but i dont try and pretend there is any real justification for that premium.
|
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2016 17:10
|
|
|
Stux posted:this doesnt make sense either though. sonic games dont command such a price premium. neither do star wars games. nor do angry bird games. sure, sonic might not be mario big, but i think you would agree that star wars and angry birds are certainly up there, if not a bigger draw, yet there isnt the premium that there is for this game. also, having just played the demo, i dont feel there is polish or presentation above or beyond the better mobile titles out there. it feels roughly the same, which is great because it means nintendo are well placed in mobile gaming already, but it still doesnt explain the price unless its literally a price gouge on nintendo fans, which is what it sounds like you are saying it is. You do know that there are people that pay well over $10 a week on Star Wars: Galaxy of Heroes right? Also if you don't like the Mario game don't buy it? Some people enjoy the game and think it is worth the money, some don't, no big deal.
|
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2016 17:11
|
|
|
GTA loving owns and you're a sad bastard if all you see in it is bad driving and shooting.
|
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2016 17:13
|
|
|
Gorgolflox posted:You do know that there are people that pay well over $10 a week on Star Wars: Galaxy of Heroes right? i do like it, im just saying that i feel its a bit overpriced for what is offered. i dont think thats an unfair comment given its price point and the marketplace for mobile gaming. do you disagree?
|
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2016 17:13
|
|
|
Intel&Sebastian posted:GTA loving owns and you're a sad bastard if all you see in it is bad driving and shooting. I miss The Mercenaries.
|
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2016 17:14
|
|
|
Someone on GAF found the UE4 presets for switch docked and portable on GitHub. It's an interesting thread and could give you some idea of scalability and how games will look in both modes
|
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2016 17:25
|
|
|
Someone should change the title of the thread to "Nintendo Switched Off. This is the Mario Run thread"
|
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2016 17:31
|
|
|
I tried mario run but i dont like how he can just run into obstacles and enemies and its no problem. No desire to play more when got lotsa mario carts for my gameboys.
|
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2016 17:32
|
|
|
greatn posted:Someone on GAF found the UE4 presets for switch docked and portable on GitHub. It's an interesting thread and could give you some idea of scalability and how games will look in both modes Why would a game development company need to store proprietary information on github of all loving things? Either nintendo storing their own info or a 3rd party dev storing another company's (nintendo's) info, it makes no sense. I'm calling fake, it's probably someone dabbling on what the tegra 1 underclocked would be.
|
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2016 17:34
|
|
|
Sprite141 posted:Why would a game development company need to store proprietary information on github of all loving things? Either nintendo storing their own info or a 3rd party dev storing another company's (nintendo's) info, it makes no sense. I'm calling fake, it's probably someone dabbling on what the tegra 1 underclocked would be. Programmers are lazy is why. And they were originally not labeled as Switch settings. They've been up for months under a codename "wolf" and recently changed to Switch. But I don't know anything about GitHub.
|
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2016 17:58
|
|
|
Do we know the height of the switch/dock? My media console doesnt have a nice spot for something I need to remove it vertically from. Probably use it mostly on the TV though.
|
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2016 18:06
|
|
|
i also need to know, so that i might carry the dock around in my purse to play on the go
|
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2016 18:06
|
|
|
greatn posted:Programmers are lazy is why. And they were originally not labeled as Switch settings. They've been up for months under a codename "wolf" and recently changed to Switch. Then those programers lost their jobs for violating company standards. Something like handling other company's property is a shoved in your face, do not gently caress up, info session that's given to you on day one. I mean you'd have to sign a confidentiality agreement before even getting access to that poo poo. As putting poo poo on github, a third party open website, was no issue when handling work on other consoles, I'm calling fake. oddium posted:i also need to know, so that i might carry the dock around in my purse to play on the go Uh it was shown on jimmy fallon's show? I guess you can like just work out the dimensions on that.
|
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2016 18:08
|
|
|
I wonder if there will be a neat flip case kind of protector for the switch when you're carrying it around. A little bit like the Oasis Kindle cover.
|
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2016 18:11
|
|
|
Doesn't poo poo like that show up in GitHub all the time? Also I wouldn't be surprised if you can lay the dock flat.
|
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2016 18:12
|
|
|
https://twitter.com/KingAveryGames/status/790125092974059520 There
|
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2016 18:15
|
|
|
Sprite141 posted:Then those programers lost their jobs for violating company standards. Something like handling other company's property is a shoved in your face, do not gently caress up, info session that's given to you on day one. I mean you'd have to sign a confidentiality agreement before even getting access to that poo poo. Dude. You can literally download UE4 for free nowadays(I think you only need to pay once you start selling products). It's why they used code names to hide the presets in the code in the first place https://docs.unrealengine.com/latest/INT/GettingStarted/DownloadingUnrealEngine/ It's not some super loving secret thing outside of using CodeNames which is p standard. This is where everything originated from. Just a dude updating UE4. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=226968184&postcount=6143 Dexo fucked around with this message at 18:19 on Dec 21, 2016 |
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2016 18:17
|
|
|
Sprite141 posted:Uh it was shown on jimmy fallon's show? I guess you can like just work out the dimensions on that. james "jimmy" fallon is an enemy of the gaming state. no thank you
|
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2016 18:18
|
|
|
VideoGames posted:I wonder if there will be a neat flip case kind of protector for the switch when you're carrying it around. A little bit like the Oasis Kindle cover. I haven't been paying that close attention but that's surprisingly small to me
|
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2016 18:25
|
|
|
CrashCat posted:I haven't been paying that close attention but that's surprisingly small to me turn your crotch-level monitor on
|
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2016 18:26
|
|
Dexo posted:Dude. You can literally download UE4 for free nowadays(I think you only need to pay once you start selling products). It's why they used code names to hide the presets in the code in the first place So we go from the Wii U not having UE4 to Switch having presets for the engine to scale accordingly? Neato. I'm assuming it's not as easy as hitting a switch and the engine will make the game work perfectly on both settings, but it's akin to having to traverse a block and Unreal giving you a skateboard?
|
|
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2016 18:26
|
|
|
ArmyOfMidgets posted:So we go from the Wii U not having UE4 to Switch having presets for the engine to scale accordingly? Neato. It's essentially similar to PC games and their "recommended" stats for your system. Like if Shadows are more important to your game play than water visuals, or aliasing or something you can turn up the shadow fidelity and turn down the aliasing or draw distance. It's mostly just giving a baseline of hey in our testing this is about the right ratio of graphics settings that we found works best. But obviously it depends on the game.
|
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2016 18:31
|
|
|
UE has had tools for phone hardware for the longest time so it's really not surprising that UE4 has nominal Switch support.
|
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2016 18:34
|
|
|
I think they might be expecting the drop from 1080 to 720 to be enough for a game to run at the same speed. The CPU apparently doesn't throttle, only the GPU.
|
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2016 18:35
|
|
Dexo posted:It's essentially similar to PC games and their "recommended" stats for your system. Aaah, alright then. Still pretty cool.
|
|
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2016 18:38
|
|
|
apparently the switch is the easiest console to develop for, we're going to get all the games!!!
|
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2016 18:41
|
|
|
i hope the switch has uniracers 2 rockstar please do the needful
|
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2016 18:41
|
|
|
Cojawfee posted:I think they might be expecting the drop from 1080 to 720 to be enough for a game to run at the same speed. The CPU apparently doesn't throttle, only the GPU. Lower resolution, means the shadow resolution can be of a lower quality, you probably don't need more than a basic amount of AA, and you could get away with loading lower quality textures into graphics memory.
|
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2016 18:41
|
|
|
oddium posted:turn your crotch-level monitor on lol
|
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2016 18:46
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 10, 2024 08:44 |
|
|
And yeah this doesn't necessarily make the switch easier or harder to work on. It's just simple presets for graphics like most games have (low, medium, high, very high, ultra). Only thing to really glean from this is the fact that UE 4 obviously works on the thing(which we p much already knew) The fact that the Switch Supports Vulkan is going to be the real thing that makes port work easier on it.
|
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2016 18:48
|
|