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Kevin O'Connor is actually pretty good, especially if you're struggling to find Zach Lowe articles.
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The Harden/Ginobili comparison makes more sense to me now that Harden is winging insane passes everywhere and sometimes out of bounds because his teammates can't keep up with them
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Dec 21, 2016 23:42
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Put 👏 Ben 👏 Wallace 👏 in 👏 the 👏 hall 👏 of 👏 fame 👏
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Dec 21, 2016 23:46
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Spacebump posted:Larry Nance Jr. might be planning on participating in the dunk contest. In Larry Nance news: https://twitter.com/Larrydn22/status/811634710485016577?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw Which also gave me an excuse to post this: https://www.instagram.com/p/BOGUgdeD45f/
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Dec 21, 2016 23:51
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straight up brolic posted:Harden does all of these things. He has the best over the shoulder pass/wrap around in the NBA chunkles posted:The Harden/Ginobili comparison makes more sense to me now that Harden is winging insane passes everywhere and sometimes out of bounds because his teammates can't keep up with them I should note I haven't watched much of the Rockets this year, but have previously felt that two lefty euro steppers was a facile comparison. Maybe Dantoni Harden plays more like Ginobili but he's always seemed very methodical to me. He plays the most efficient possible high usage ball, which you could never say about Manu shot selection wise even when it worked out in terms of actually going in.
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Dec 21, 2016 23:54
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NickRoweFillea posted:Put 👏 Ben 👏 Wallace 👏 in 👏 the 👏 hall 👏 of 👏 fame 👏 4-time DPOY, 5 time all-nba, 6 time all defense NBA should be enough. I value defensive anchors quite a bit but I imagine his resume would be strong enough, and you have the narrative of that Pistons Championship squad to help out.
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Dec 21, 2016 23:56
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DeimosRising posted:I should note I haven't watched much of the Rockets this year, but have previously felt that two lefty euro steppers was a facile comparison. Maybe Dantoni Harden plays more like Ginobili but he's always seemed very methodical to me. He plays the most efficient possible high usage ball, which you could never say about Manu shot selection wise even when it worked out in terms of actually going in.  what more you want man?
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Dec 21, 2016 23:58
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Webber isn't in the HoF (returning nominee), which is surprising to me considering how extremely lenient the hall has been towards "Do we still remember him? Put him in"
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Dec 21, 2016 23:58
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Tae posted:Tracy Mcgrady, Mugsy, and Ben Wallace are up for Hall of fame Muggsy should get in just for having his dick get checked out by Larry David on Curb
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Dec 22, 2016 00:06
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I think ginobli had better handles then Harden, and the only important thing they had in common was that people struggle to reconcile their production with their athletic abilities.
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Dec 22, 2016 00:07
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Tae posted:Tracy Mcgrady, Mugsy, and Ben Wallace are up for Hall of fame Is Mugsy Bogues inch for inch the best player in NBA history? or is that Spud Webb
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Dec 22, 2016 00:07
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Femur posted:I think ginobli had better handles then Harden, and the only important thing they had in common was that people struggle to reconcile their production with their athletic abilities. Are you implying Harden isn't athletic? He's an incredibly gifted athlete
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Dec 22, 2016 00:08
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Dejan Bimble posted:Is Mugsy Bogues inch for inch the best player in NBA history? or is that Spud Webb It's Nate rob
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Dec 22, 2016 00:09
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Lockback posted:4-time DPOY, 5 time all-nba, 6 time all defense NBA should be enough. I value defensive anchors quite a bit but I imagine his resume would be strong enough, and you have the narrative of that Pistons Championship squad to help out. 1. Rim protector/rebounder who can switch on everybody 2. Point guard who can make threes off the dribble and had a nice drive and kick game 3. SG who runs endlessly off screens although he shot 2's rather than 3's 4. PF who could shoot threes really well, was really long and athletic, could finish pick and rolls 5. A freakishly long small forward who could guard anyone and make shots
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Dec 22, 2016 00:11
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Lockback posted:
I have to post the Fisher/Martin flop that was IMO, possibly the best flop ever. They don't make em like they used to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEYwPLnye1k DeimosRising posted:I should note I haven't watched much of the Rockets this year, but have previously felt that two lefty euro steppers was a facile comparison. Maybe Dantoni Harden plays more like Ginobili but he's always seemed very methodical to me. He plays the most efficient possible high usage ball, which you could never say about Manu shot selection wise even when it worked out in terms of actually going in. I feel like he started off fairly mechanical in OKC and his first year in Houston. It was basically a three or eurostep to free throws, like the fine wine of Ginobili's game distilled down to strong moonshine, and his game has slowly opened up to where he now plays as varied or more than Ginobili did. Stepback jumpers from anywhere, shoulder passes, post ups. Also I should go back and watch some old Ginobili videos as a refresher, but I feel like he plays less frantic than Ginobili and sometimes will just slow down and dribble around like three guys at a trot or somehow do an iso stepback where he creates a foot of separation by shuffling his feet a little. Basically it's not a bad comparison as these things go but Harden has changed a lot over the past few years
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Dec 22, 2016 00:11
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Dejan Bimble posted:Is Mugsy Bogues inch for inch the best player in NBA history? or is that Spud Webb Isaiah Thomas lies when he says he's 5'9" so he's definitely the statistical champ. He's about the same height as Spud, maybe an inch or two taller
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Dec 22, 2016 00:11
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Time posted:Are you implying Harden isn't athletic? He's an incredibly gifted athlete So was ginobli. but I meant perception wise. Like they are seen as crafty instead of being superior to their piers straight up. Ginobli was maligned as lucky and flopper, and Harden with flopper, and game doesn't work in playoffs. The underlining criticism is that they do not deserve their numbers through dominance, physical in this case since we are talking sports. I believe this is the underlining basis for their comparison. Femur fucked around with this message at 00:38 on Dec 22, 2016 |
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Dec 22, 2016 00:19
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Tae posted:Webber isn't in the HoF (returning nominee), which is surprising to me considering how extremely lenient the hall has been towards "Do we still remember him? Put him in" Chris Webber is an interesting case wherein his college run is almost enough to put him in the hall of fame but also enough to keep him out due to all the controversy around it and lingering media resentment towards the Fab Five. He might get in now or might never get in, I have no idea.
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Dec 22, 2016 00:27
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He also was a massive malignator except for the Sac run.
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Dec 22, 2016 00:28
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chunkles posted:the back surgery kinda hosed up his career but it's hard to watch harden/capela run pick and rolls and think the rockets being offensively unwatchable was anything but a result of his insistence on being a big time post scorer. or Scott Brooks being a truly poo poo-tier coach
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Dec 22, 2016 00:32
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Just wanna say these last couple of pages have been highly entertaining. Y'all are the finest basketball minds on the whole world wide web
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Dec 22, 2016 00:33
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Time posted:It's Nate rob The difference between Mugsy and Nate Rob in height is the same as the difference between Nate Rob and Russell Westbrook. Between Chris Paul and Andre Iguodala. Between Iguodala and Steven Adams.
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Dec 22, 2016 00:33
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euphronius posted:I doubt he could play center now. Nah, he would be Dwight Howard without the immaturity issues. This may have been brought up, but I'm still catching up to the thread.
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predicto posted:or Scott Brooks being a truly poo poo-tier coach I don't know what that has to do with the quoted post but you're wrong scotty is a solid coach who is very good at player development
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Dec 22, 2016 00:39
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Ill take a worse shooting but better passing Dwight as a russel comp. that seems fair.
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Dec 22, 2016 00:44
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I mean it's also a deliberate thing, Harden's been talking about patterning his game after Ginobili since he was in high school at least. Also I'll go back and correct myself, Manu was probably a top 10 player somewhere between 2006-2008. Punkin Spunkin posted:He's not even at 10% of his ONR though (objective nutmeg rate) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmBVeRH5u9U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHZKAg3WxN0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIoPkUAGYiQ Harden makes a lot of very pretty outlets and things doesn't quite do that. Yet? Also Manu has way more rings than Harden so Harden's inferior in every way 
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Kibner posted:Nah, he would be Dwight Howard without the immaturity issues. This may have been brought up, but I'm still catching up to the thread. How do you know this about maturity? Comparing some 80 year old to an 18? Do you think he was genius enough to coach/play at once, or that he was unimportant enough that even half his attention didn't affect poo poo?
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Dec 22, 2016 00:50
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More that Russell didn't immediately punch every Boston fan on sight for calling him monkey, friend of the family, or worse.
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Dec 22, 2016 00:59
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Dejan Bimble posted:Is Mugsy Bogues inch for inch the best player in NBA history? or is that Spud Webb It's Barkley according to BBR. With Wilt or Chris Paul in 2nd. 
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Dec 22, 2016 01:05
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euphronius posted:He also was a massive malignator except for the Sac run. But remember how good that team was lol
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Dec 22, 2016 01:09
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That Kings team was so god drat fun. Mike Bibby, Chris Webber, Peja, Vlade, Turkeyglue...iconic
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Dec 22, 2016 01:14
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NickRoweFillea posted:That Kings team was so god drat fun. Mike Bibby, Chris Webber, Peja, Vlade, Turkeyglue...iconic Doug Christie's wife too
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Dec 22, 2016 01:17
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NickRoweFillea posted:That Kings team was so god drat fun. Mike Bibby, Chris Webber, Peja, Vlade, Turkeyglue...iconic Don't forget a young Gerald Wallace languishing away on the bench who would come in for 8 minutes every other game, do a sick dunk or whatever, then go back to the end of the bench
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Dec 22, 2016 01:18
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And White Chocolate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9Hb-hpkDYc That era of the Kings was one of my all time favorite teams
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NickRoweFillea posted:But remember how good that team was lol Yeah I saw them live in Philly twice and was just blown away by the sophistication of it all. Good poo poo.
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Dec 22, 2016 01:25
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Kibner posted:More that Russell didn't immediately punch every Boston fan on sight for calling him monkey, friend of the family, or worse. that is the cultural norm. Even if he developed the ability to dunk as much as Dwight, there is no evidence that he wouldn't also develop the inability to say no to underage pussy that comes with scoring.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBNZQpuLf5c&t=34s
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Dec 22, 2016 01:29
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Dejan Bimble posted:Is Mugsy Bogues inch for inch the best player in NBA history? or is that Spud Webb Tim Hardaway (5'10") or Calvin Murphy (5'9')
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It's definitely Earl Boykins
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im sorry to bring this up for the 9000th time but lol that the Thunder traded Harden for nothing. Remember how hyped Thunder fans were on Jeremy Lamb and Kevin Martin for like 2 months?
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