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OMG sriracha pudding! posted:McBain only got better (on paper at least) in the conversion from Mk2 -> Mk3; what's wrong with him? I played a fair bit of him ~2 years ago and generally did well. Problem was everyone and their mom's was/is running some grievous wounds... which completely counters his feat. I think hes okay now as I think that might be toning down a bit. I played a couple games with him the other day and was quite pleased with what he could do.
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rydiafan posted:War Room Army Cool. He's probably reluctant to play that list again against me because it was so unfun for both of us, but we can try it again.
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Don't pigs have primal in a pig? Is the gorax really better? It has such bad stats
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Isn't the pig one a little more expensive? I think the point is to have 2 models that can cast it as cheaply as possible
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Dec 22, 2016 22:30
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Jimmy Hats posted:Isn't the pig one a little more expensive? I think the point is to have 2 models that can cast it as cheaply as possible Battle Boar is the same cost and has better stats. Can also get berserk and overtake which is helpful for clearing infantry which this list (and most Ark lists) can struggle with. I'd straight swap the two goraxes for battle boars (who also look way cooler on the table)
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Dec 22, 2016 22:37
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There must be a reason that arkadius can take gora- hahahaha
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Jimmy Hats posted:Isn't the pig one a little more expensive? I think the point is to have 2 models that can cast it as cheaply as possible Pig is the same price and is a little better at killing infantry, Gorax is a little better at taking on armor. In general I think it comes down to which models people own
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Dec 22, 2016 22:39
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They cost the same 7 points. Stats are almost identical Gorax has 1 higher pow on the fists (pow 12) and pain response. Whereas battle boars have 1 higher arm and adrenalise. They would both work, I have no idea what ghost cryx armour is, but base str 9 means the Gorax is a better Primal Shock target.
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Ideal for a charging gorax on an armored target is 5 pow 16 equivalents. Ideal for charging battle boar is 4 pow 15s. It's a pretty big gap. 28.5 damage versus an armor 18 beast on all hits vs 17.5 with the boar. You're possibly threatening a piece trade with a gorax versus a 12/18 heavy beast and you're nowhere close with the boar.
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Hoboskins posted:They cost the same 7 points. Stats are almost identical Gorax has 1 higher pow on the fists (pow 12) and pain response. Whereas battle boars have 1 higher arm and adrenalise. They would both work, I have no idea what ghost cryx armour is, but base str 9 means the Gorax is a better Primal Shock target. When MK3 dropped I was of the opinion that battle boar negated the gorx. Having played 50-some games with Arkadius since then, I've changed my mind. The +1 str and pain response makes a gorax a far better beast against high armor targets, and that's what exists right now. Overtake and berserk is nice, but I'm not seeing enough infantry to justify it. Usually what I do see can be handled with the road hog and primal shock.
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Didn't gorax get shield guard with arkadius in Mk2 as well?
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Yeah. Was sad to lose that. Now they're nearly identical. Gorax has +1 strength and -1 armor, and trades berserk and overtake for pain response.
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Get you a theme force; Armory - Steamroller Objective Dr. Arkadius - WB: +32 - Battle Boar - PC: 7 (Battlegroup Points Used: 7) - Road Hog - PC: 16 (Battlegroup Points Used: 16) - Road Hog - PC: 16 (Battlegroup Points Used: 9) - War Hog - PC: 15 - War Hog - PC: 15 - War Hog - PC: 15 Maximus - PC: 4 Farrow Bone Grinders - Leader & 5 Grunts: 8 Farrow Slaughterhousers - Leader & 5 Grunts: 11 THEME: The Thornfall Alliance I didn't get a free solo but not sure if Maximus counts towards the points since he is a solo and not a unit.
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OMG sriracha pudding! posted:McBain only got better (on paper at least) in the conversion from Mk2 -> Mk3; what's wrong with him? I played a fair bit of him ~2 years ago and generally did well. The main problem I had was that his feat has 3 main weaknesses: 1) It is countered by anti healing / grievous wounds 2) It is random how many models it effects, so it sucks when it only hits 6 guys 3) You need to use it on steady models / have everyone within 7 of boomhowler or they miss most of their turn after the feat anyway. The rest of him isn't bad, I think if you are min/maxing he ends up being a worse version of bart / magnus, who both have very good jack buffs and much better feats for defense that also work on warjacks. I just have a personal dislike of casters with very limited feats after being victim to casters with 'take a free turn' feats. Captainicus fucked around with this message at 05:43 on Dec 23, 2016 |
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Dec 23, 2016 05:34
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Got Mulg and an Earthborn for 47 bucks today aww yiss
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From the now terrible Cygnar facebook group, which was screen shot from the PP forums:  
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deep down i knew karchev being good and playing like hes supposed to in the books couldnt last
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Does Caine 2 have the only shot type that requires focus to activate?
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fadam posted:Does Caine 2 have the only shot type that requires focus to activate? Fairly certain he is, but I might be wrong because I only play Cygnar and Cygnar merc accessories. Honestly, I'm glad he got nerfed. Being able to potentially get 18 damage rolls a turn from a single model is nuts. Nine is much more tolerable. If the errata was up to me, I would have made trick shot a cost four spell that lasts the entire turn, and replaced the trick shot rune attack with critical brutal. But it's not up to me, so I must depend on the expertise of PP testers.
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Since High Reclaimer didn't get nerfed, I'm going to hop on the bandwagon. How's this sound: War Room Army Protectorate of Menoth - isded 75 / 75 Army The High Reclaimer - WJ: +32 - Hierophant - PC: 3 - Guardian - PC: 15 - Reckoner - PC: 16 - Dervish - PC: 7 Wrack - PC: 1 The Covenant of Menoth - PC: 4 Wrack - PC: 1 Choir of Menoth - Leader & 3 Grunts: 4 Exemplar Vengers - Leader & 4 Grunts: 20 Idrian Skirmishers - Leader & 9 Grunts: 15 - Idrian Skirmisher Chieftain & Guide - Chieftain & Guide: 5 Exemplar Cinerators - Leader & 4 Grunts: 16
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S.J. posted:Got Mulg and an Earthborn for 47 bucks today aww yiss 
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Anyone picked up the troll command book? Worth picking up?
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I talked about it a while ago! If u click the little question mark under my avatar/sig and go back past like 100 poo poo posts you can prolly find the ones about the book (also poo poo posts)
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Short answer is it is pretty neato
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Jimmy Hats posted:Short answer is it is pretty neato I agree, I don't regret getting it. Will buy the Cygnar one as well. Also the same place I got those models has two blitzers that need to get cleaned up stripped/reprimed but they're only 17 bucks a piece so uhhhhh
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Dec 23, 2016 17:40
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No don't.
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Fyrbrand posted:No don't. I want them for Grim 2 shut up along with two units of trollkin maxwell finns
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S.J. posted:I agree, I don't regret getting it. Will buy the Cygnar one as well. Do it. S.J. posted:I want them for Grim 2 shut up Do iiiiiiit. Its no coincidence that the two most prolific posters in the thread have the top opinions about good models (trolls)
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All I know is a unit of those dudes puts out 5d3 rat 8 POW 15s onto a heavy or whatever that's been hit with mortality and it won't be able to heal the damage.
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S.J. posted:All I know is a unit of those dudes puts out 5d3 rat 8 POW 15s onto a heavy or whatever that's been hit with mortality and it won't be able to heal the damage. Yeah they are so awesome its unbelievable. They are also gonna be crazy good with jarl and weald secrets.
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They over corrected badly with khador. Karchev's feat is garbage now. It's just a boosted damage roll, which you already get if you charge. So in a lot of cases it's doing nothing. Mat 5 pow 16 unstable berserkers are unplayable at 9 points, when marauders exist. That's a shame because I liked using them with vlad1 and butcher1. I've got two painted metal ones plus a magnetized plastic kit. Increasing behemoth's cost is literally pointless because a lot of people just took behemoth as their battlegroup and played down a few points. Also, why do people act like the ogrun bokur is the best thing for skorne? We have cyclops brutes.
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:Yeah Marauder seems really under costed. Khador is undercosted. And Karchev is fine, just take MAT 7 stuff with him now which, considering that means Juggernauts, is probably something you should have been doing already.
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Yeah I don't think I'll ever stop being butt hurt that ruin costs four less than ghetorix. I never end up using whatever is supposed to be busted in circle so I get to complain.
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chutche2 posted:Also, why do people act like the ogrun bokur is the best thing for skorne? We have cyclops brutes. It's like when raluk came out and troll players were unironically considering taking him to bring vanguards, forgetting that bouncers existed.
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Yeah but Bokur is 5 pts and is a boss
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susan posted:Khador is undercosted. And Karchev is fine, just take MAT 7 stuff with him now which, considering that means Juggernauts, is probably something you should have been doing already. Alternately, you could take Juggernauts with anyone else and have a feat that does something. It made no sense to nerf Karchev and the berzerker chassis. As was pointed out, if you charge his feat does absolutely nothing. It's unfortunate that they were so unwilling to look at any options that would change the FA amount (or have them cost more points once you got over a certain number taken) since the problem wasn't a couple Mad Dogs/Berzerkers, or Karchev, it was 15 of them under Karchev (or whatever high number you want). They're not worth 9 pts at all (especially when the Marauder is 10 and got a bit of a buff). The Mad Dog list was definitely a problem, but instead of making the list unplayable/toned down, they made the main elements of the list unplayable (even if you weren't using them in the overly strong fashion). That said, most of the other changes don't seem to impact much so I'm not too unhappy with the errata overall.
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Yeah I see Troll players all happy that they can take a Bokur instead of the Bouncer. But that's dumb because the Bouncer is amazing for its price. It's a good scenario piece and an excellent way to start a piece trade. Model so good.
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