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StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

Okay, thanks guys - sliding the Witcher 3 back up my wishlist - probably won't get to it this sale because my life has been consumed by petting pokemon and chasing fish, but the thought of screwing around in an open world is compelling.

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CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

Reach for the moon!
Honestly I would argue that The Witcher 3 barely utilizes its open world. The vast majority of the time I was actually out in the world in The Witcher 3 was spent traveling from destination to destination on horseback. Some of that time was spent going from question mark to question mark on my map to see if anything interesting was there, and most of the time there was not. There's tons of stuff to see and people to talk to, but there is surprisingly little out there to actually... do, outside of quests.

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

CJacobs posted:

Honestly I would argue that The Witcher 3 barely utilizes its open world. The vast majority of the time I was actually out in the world in The Witcher 3 was spent traveling from destination to destination on horseback. Some of that time was spent going from question mark to question mark on my map to see if anything interesting was there, and most of the time there was not. There's tons of stuff to see and people to talk to, but there is surprisingly little out there to actually... do, outside of quests.

Iiiinteresting.

What games [i]do[i] utilize their open world?

Aside from Burnout Paradise - that game puts stuff literally everywhere, so there's never downtime.

oddium
Feb 21, 2006

end of the 4.5 tatami age

Bicyclops posted:

I started the Witcher 3 and just went with the default options, like Simulate Witcher 2 save and whatnot.

oh dang i forgot about this. it's worth it to start over and use a guide to look up what the answers mean.

at least say letho lived

Palpek
Dec 27, 2008


Do you feel it, Zach?
My coffee warned me about it.


The current outcome of this is that people keep making threads asking to make one of the Overwarch characters Christian that Blizzard has to regularly delete and the 250 page thread on 'Tracer is gay' is now a Trump politics thread. Welcome to video games.

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

Reach for the moon!

StrixNebulosa posted:

Iiiinteresting.

What games do utilize their open world?

Aside from Burnout Paradise - that game puts stuff literally everywhere, so there's never downtime.

I think Dying Light did it well by focusing more on making getting around the open world fun than anything else. Something Ubisoft's open world formula has always lacked is that while they have a variety of stuff to do (things to collect, towers to climb, and more recently VR games to play in Watch Dogs), the way you navigate the world is totally uninteresting. You drive your car/horse/own two shoes to a waypoint, do the thing, and then drive your car/horse/own two shoes to the next one. The Witcher 3 ends up being the same way- when you're not doing quests, you're just traveling from ? to ? on your horse, and it feels very rote, or at least it did to me. Dying Light gives you the parkour skills and the conveniently parkour-able world and lets you have at it, so even though you go back and forth between the same places many times, you can get there in a variety of ways.

edit: And I'm not trying to turn you off of the game or anything, I'm just saying that The Witcher 3 is not really an open world game by what the standard definition is these days. The world is open and you can go anywhere in it, but it lacks the variety a lot of open world games have. It's not necessarily a bad thing, because the quests etc are more than enough to carry it, it's just a different approach.

CJacobs fucked around with this message at 12:23 on Dec 23, 2016

oddium
Feb 21, 2006

end of the 4.5 tatami age

oh wait simulate save is the one that gives you the chance to say letho lived. yes say letho lived because he's cool and you get more #content

Love Stole the Day
Nov 4, 2012
Please give me free quality professional advice so I can be a baby about it and insult you

Palpek posted:

The current outcome of this is that people keep making threads asking to make one of the Overwarch characters Christian that Blizzard has to regularly delete and the 250 page thread on 'Tracer is gay' is now a Trump politics thread. Welcome to video games.

Every time I see people bring this up I just laugh because Blizzard is getting millions in free marketing and top-of-mind brand recognition from all the butt salt everyone is mining for them.

The same people who give a poo poo about this are the same clowns who pre-ordered Sim City a couple years ago.

VideoGames
Aug 18, 2003

StrixNebulosa posted:

Iiiinteresting.

What games [i]do[i] utilize their open world?

Aside from Burnout Paradise - that game puts stuff literally everywhere, so there's never downtime.

Red Dead Redemption. It was amazing to ride in the desolate frontier. I adore that open world more than any other.

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

CJacobs posted:

I think Dying Light did it well by focusing more on making getting around the open world fun than anything else. Something Ubisoft's open world formula has always lacked is that while they have a variety of stuff to do (things to collect, towers to climb, and more recently VR games to play in Watch Dogs), the way you navigate the world is totally uninteresting. You drive your car/horse/own two shoes to a waypoint, do the thing, and then drive your car/horse/own two shoes to the next one. The Witcher 3 ends up being the same way- when you're not doing quests, you're just traveling from ? to ? on your horse, and it feels very rote, or at least it did to me. Dying Light gives you the parkour skills and the conveniently parkour-able world and lets you have at it, so even though you go back and forth between the same places many times, you can get there in a variety of ways.

edit: And I'm not trying to turn you off of the game or anything, I'm just saying that The Witcher 3 is not really an open world game by what the standard definition is these days. The world is open and you can go anywhere in it, but it lacks the variety a lot of open world games have. It's not necessarily a bad thing, because the quests etc are more than enough to carry it, it's just a different approach.

No, you haven't turned me off Witcher 3 at all - tempering my expectations is excellent here, as I won't be bummed by it in the future. Additionally, this is a cool, insightful post.

Honestly the most experience I've had with open world games so far has been in Skyrim (go to the quests, exploration only yields more quests), Saints Row IV (it got samey pretty quickly - exploration got boring and emptied the map), and Caves of Qud (exploration is the point, and deadly. There's always weird stuff to find - but it is a roguelike.)

And, well, Skyrim but with actually good writing sounds cool.

e: Wait, Shadows of the Colossus! Exploring literally for the sake of exploring with no items or collectibles whatsoever - that was magical.

CrashCat
Jan 10, 2003

another shit post


Tracer wears crocs?!

Help Im Alive
Nov 8, 2009

Sakurazuka posted:

lol Telltale

I kinda wanna try the Batman one but people seem conflicted on whether it's good or not

I've only played The Walking Dead S1 and half of the Fables one (which I was enjoying, I think I just got distracted by something else and never went back to it)

Nate RFB
Jan 17, 2005

Clapping Larry
I'm a few hours into Yakuza 5 and I'm already teetering on the edge of dropping it. Why do I keep buying and playing these games? It's clear I just don't really enjoy them. The goofy parts of the story and some of the combat is alright, but 90% the game is running around this boring rear end map filled with nothing but busywork sidequests that are extraordinarily tedious to complete.

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

Reach for the moon!

Help Im Alive posted:

I kinda wanna try the Batman one but people seem conflicted on whether it's good or not

I've only played The Walking Dead S1 and half of the Fables one (which I was enjoying, I think I just got distracted by something else and never went back to it)

The Batman game opens incredibly strongly, imo stronger than any telltale game including TWD season 1, and then dives right off a loving cliff around episode 3 and never recovers.

LawfulWaffle
Mar 11, 2014

Well, that aligns with the vibes I was getting. Which was, like, "normal" kinda vibes.

Help Im Alive posted:

I kinda wanna try the Batman one but people seem conflicted on whether it's good or not

I've only played The Walking Dead S1 and half of the Fables one (which I was enjoying, I think I just got distracted by something else and never went back to it)

The Batman game is fine. Good, even. I don't understand the vitriol; it's no worse than the average Telltale game and certainly better than TWD2 and Game of Thrones. Unless you really go for the "interactive misery porn" genre, then it's just a little worse than those two.

The last episode of the new King's Quest game came out and it's also decent. It's closer to the first two episodes where it's more open and presents you with multiple puzzles at one time instead of the more linear episodes 3 and 4. I appreciated it more for the meta commentary and some nice references for fans of the series, including one dumb joke that really made me laugh. If the game didn't interest you before this won't change your mind, but again I like games and I like this.

Sakurazuka
Jan 24, 2004

NANI?

Tales from Borderlands is still TT's best post-adventure game, even if you hate the main games.

LawfulWaffle
Mar 11, 2014

Well, that aligns with the vibes I was getting. Which was, like, "normal" kinda vibes.

Sakurazuka posted:

Tales from Borderlands is still TT's best post-adventure game, even if you hate the main games.

Truth. Is there a Telltale A and B team? What group did TftB and what else did they do?

Olive!
Mar 16, 2015

It's not a ghost, but probably a 'living corpse'. The 'living dead' with a hell of a lot of bloodlust...

StrixNebulosa posted:

e: Wait, Shadows of the Colossus! Exploring literally for the sake of exploring with no items or collectibles whatsoever - that was magical.

No items or collectibles? Sounds like someone wasn't increasing their health and stamina by minute amounts by collecting lizards and fruit!

Assepoester
Jul 18, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!
Melman v2
Shantae is so happy even after a drone strike
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyHgLua0Dtc




Palpek posted:

The current outcome of this is that people keep making threads asking to make one of the Overwarch characters Christian that Blizzard has to regularly delete and the 250 page thread on 'Tracer is gay' is now a Trump politics thread. Welcome to video games.
Tracer is the Christian

Harrow
Jun 30, 2012

Anyone who likes turn-based RPGs and hasn't played the new Shadowrun games: the Shadowrun Returns series is incredibly cheap on Steam right now and they're all fantastic (especially Dragonfall and Hong Kong). Returns and Dragonfall are each $3, Hong Kong is $5, each is a 20-hour game with surprisingly reactive quests, loads of good dialog, and all the fun of the Shadowrun setting. (I won't sugar-coat it, the combat is kinda :shrug:, but it gets better with each game, at least.) Highly recommended Steam sale purchase.

If you only get one, get either Dragonfall or Hong Kong. I think Dragonfall is the best one, but Hong Kong is pretty great, too (I love the cyberpunk Hong Kong setting a whole lot), and it might just come down to personal taste.

Harrow fucked around with this message at 14:46 on Dec 23, 2016

Phantasium
Dec 27, 2012

Lurdiak posted:

Witcher 1 probably isn't worth playing through, unless you have a compulsive need to see badly modeled titties.

Boy do I!

Edmond Dantes
Sep 12, 2007

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Harrow posted:

Anyone who likes turn-based RPGs and hasn't played the new Shadowrun games: the Shadowrun Returns series is incredibly cheap on Steam right now and they're all fantastic (especially Dragonfall and Hong Kong). Returns and Dragonfall are each $3, Hong Kong is $5, each is a 20-hour game with surprisingly reactive quests, loads of good dialog, and all the fun of the Shadowrun setting. (I won't sugar-coat it, the combat is kinda :shrug:, but it gets better with each game, at least.) Highly recommended Steam sale purchase.

If you only get one, get either Dragonfall or Hong Kong. I think Dragonfall is the best one, but Hong Kong is pretty great, too (I love the cyberpunk Hong Kong setting a whole lot), and it might just come down to personal taste.

I've had Dragonfall for the longest time and never got around to playing it.

What would be the most overpowered build that allows me the biggest amount of non-combat options at the same time? Something like going full int/wis in Planescape: Torment. I just want to enjoy the story and not realise halfway through the game that I dumped points into the wrong skill and now combat is impossible. I still have flashbacks to my first few times through BG2.

LawfulWaffle
Mar 11, 2014

Well, that aligns with the vibes I was getting. Which was, like, "normal" kinda vibes.

Edmond Dantes posted:

I've had Dragonfall for the longest time and never got around to playing it.

What would be the most overpowered build that allows me the biggest amount of non-combat options at the same time? Something like going full int/wis in Planescape: Torment. I just want to enjoy the story and not realise halfway through the game that I dumped points into the wrong skill and now combat is impossible. I still have flashbacks to my first few times through BG2.

Check the https://www.beforeiplay.com page for Dragonfall; it has the Charisma slang that you get the most benefits from. I think Security is one. I'd post them but I'm behind a filter at work. You get a decker so you don't really need to double up on that. I'm a few missions in and am playing a mage, but the game gives you plenty of characters to fill any role you're missing. Can't go wrong with points in Charisma though.

e: I overlooked your concerns about combat. I would recommend picking a weapon type and sticking with it instead of trying to be a jack of all trades. My mage doesn't use guns or melee weapons because all the spells run off a cooldown and don't consume a resource like MP (though Shamans can use totems to summon elementals). If you're going to be a shooty person, pick a gun type to focus on and maybe a secondary for a few levels. You get quite a few karma points so as long as you don't try to master too much you should be alright

LawfulWaffle fucked around with this message at 15:35 on Dec 23, 2016

devtesla
Jan 2, 2012


Grimey Drawer

LawfulWaffle posted:

Truth. Is there a Telltale A and B team? What group did TftB and what else did they do?

The writers on TWD S1 left to make Firewatch, and I believe the TFTB folks also made Batman but the head creatives on those are way different.

Ciaphas
Nov 20, 2005

> BEWARE, COWARD :ovr:


Wow, Nintendo CS already unlinked my account from my old Wii U. I was expecting to wait until after the holiday. :stare:

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
No one's going to start setting up their christmas nintendos for another two days. Today is probably a low point in everyone's CS load.

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




Lipstick Apathy
It's the Friday before a week off and I have mgs5 sitting on my PC waiting to be booted up for the first time. And I'm working from home.

The temptation is great. Luckily (from a work perspective) I have actual stuff to do and calls to be on.

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

Sakurazuka posted:

Tales from Borderlands is still TT's best post-adventure game, even if you hate the main games.
It's really impressive. They managed to make the world of Borderlands have meaningful characters and genuinely affecting moments, it's kind of insane. That's the last setting I would have ever expected something of substance from. The writing blows the rest of the series completely out of the water, including on characters that are originally from the other games, which should really embarrass the Borderlands 2 guy who's super full of himself.

precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames
FF15 reminds me a lot of Witcher 3 but with wayyyyyyyyy better combat and wayyyyyyyyy dumber NPCs

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

precision posted:

FF15 reminds me a lot of Witcher 3 but with wayyyyyyyyy better combat and wayyyyyyyyy dumber NPCs

Are you disparaging noble Dino?

Edmond Dantes
Sep 12, 2007

Reactor: Online
Sensors: Online
Weapons: Online

ALL SYSTEMS NOMINAL

FactsAreUseless posted:

It's really impressive. They managed to make the world of Borderlands have meaningful characters and genuinely affecting moments, it's kind of insane. That's the last setting I would have ever expected something of substance from. The writing blows the rest of the series completely out of the water, including on characters that are originally from the other games, which should really embarrass the Borderlands 2 guy who's super full of himself.

Nthing this; Tales From The Borderlands is an amazing game that everyone should play regardless of whether they like Borderlands or not.

VideoGames
Aug 18, 2003
The steam servers are down for me :( I was planning on playing TF2.

Commander Jebus
Sep 9, 2001

You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought...

FactsAreUseless posted:

It's really impressive. They managed to make the world of Borderlands have meaningful characters and genuinely affecting moments, it's kind of insane. That's the last setting I would have ever expected something of substance from. The writing blows the rest of the series completely out of the water, including on characters that are originally from the other games, which should really embarrass the Borderlands 2 guy who's super full of himself.

Anthony Burch (said full of himself guy) has writer credits on the last three episodes. The only scene that I know for sure was written by him was when you are disguised as Patrick Warburton's character to infiltrate the Hyperion station and you are lectured by the Hyperion security guards on gender roles and misogyny because it was so clunky, unfunnny and tonally out of place.

But yeah, Tales of the Borderlands is pretty great and heads and shoulders the best tt game I've played.

Instruction Manuel
May 15, 2007

Yes, it is what it looks like!

VideoGames posted:

The steam servers are down for me :( I was planning on playing TF2.

Steam is down for everyone it seems.

https://steamstat.us/

Help Im Alive
Nov 8, 2009

VideoGames posted:

The steam servers are down for me :( I was planning on playing TF2.

Which one

oddium
Feb 21, 2006

end of the 4.5 tatami age

hey what up, vapegamers.fam here to review the latest hitman dlc, Hokkaido

pros:
+ some of the patients vape as part of their idle animation
+ massive rips from what i've seen. it's cold in hokkaido though so it might be their breath
+ one patient smuggles in analogue tobacco and coincidentally is there for a lung transplant. preach it io

cons:
- patients use an unspecified juice (they should try my crunch berries mix)
- 47 cannot personally float some pillowy clouds

overall we're going to give this 8 ohms out of 10. stay safe vape nation

Jay Rust
Sep 27, 2011

Guess you didn't do the Opportunity that involves exploding a target by sneaking some cigs into her room and loosening the bolts of a natural gas dispenser nearby

oddium
Feb 21, 2006

end of the 4.5 tatami age

vapegamers.fam has to get these reviews out quick to stay relevant so we may have missed some things

VideoGames
Aug 18, 2003

My favourite one :D

Instead I played some Overwatch and in my free winter crate I got the icy Pharah skin, so I am happy!

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Harrow
Jun 30, 2012

Girlfriend's brother brought his PS4 with him for Christmas, so I get to play the Nier: Automata demo now instead of waiting until I'm home in a week and a half, hooray :v:

Also Gravity Rush 2. I never played the first one but it looks like it's a lot of fun.

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