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Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

We're not arming daesh (intentionally), that would be silly. We're arming Al Qaeda.

But we're also killing Al-Quaeda, so it's a bit of a wash.

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SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012



YPG is also a Marxist-Leninist group, though how much they believe in that is up for debate.

Morzhovyye
Mar 2, 2013

https://twitter.com/FBI/status/812643007203659776

platzapS
Aug 4, 2007


hahaha lazy fucks

Hilario Baldness
Feb 10, 2005

:buddy:



Grimey Drawer
For whatever it's worth, David Harvey has a new lecture series entitled,"Marx and Capital: The Concept, The Book, The History." They're actually quite good. I was particularly intrigued by the concept of anti-value.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MceeO4Ulrs
Lecture 1: Capital as Value in Motion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Exuvac8Fcc
Lecture 2: Value and Anti-Value

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oemxH2dYYRw
Lecture 3: Value and Its Monetary Expression

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQsAOn5JfPA
Lecture 4: The Space and Time of Value

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFlaic4t4Z4
Lecture 5 | Use Values: The Production of Wants, Needs and Desires

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cehxlTrzDiA
Lecture 6: Bad Infinity and the Madness of Economic Reason

Edit: Fixed links. :)

Hilario Baldness fucked around with this message at 23:58 on Dec 25, 2016

Ruzihm
Aug 11, 2010

Group up and push mid, proletariat!



Should have contracted this one out.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Hilario Baldness posted:

For whatever it's worth, David Harvey has a new lecture series entitled,"Marx and Capital: The Concept, The Book, The History." They're actually quite good. I was particularly intrigued by the concept of anti-value.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MceeO4Ulrs
Lecture 1: Capital as Value in Motion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Exuvac8Fcc
Lecture 2: Value and Anti-Value

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oemxH2dYYRw
Lecture 3: Value and Its Monetary Expression

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oemxH2dYYRw
Lecture 4: The Space and Time of Value

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oemxH2dYYRw
Lecture 5 | Use Values: The Production of Wants, Needs and Desires

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oemxH2dYYRw
Lecture 6: Bad Infinity and the Madness of Economic Reason

Best Christmas present I've got so far. :)

ThaumPenguin
Oct 9, 2013

Hilario Baldness posted:

For whatever it's worth, David Harvey has a new lecture series entitled,"Marx and Capital: The Concept, The Book, The History." They're actually quite good. I was particularly intrigued by the concept of anti-value.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MceeO4Ulrs
Lecture 1: Capital as Value in Motion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Exuvac8Fcc
Lecture 2: Value and Anti-Value

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oemxH2dYYRw
Lecture 3: Value and Its Monetary Expression

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oemxH2dYYRw
Lecture 4: The Space and Time of Value

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oemxH2dYYRw
Lecture 5 | Use Values: The Production of Wants, Needs and Desires

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oemxH2dYYRw
Lecture 6: Bad Infinity and the Madness of Economic Reason

Just so you're aware, four of those links are identical.

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


Karl Barks
Jan 21, 1981


we made it ya'll

also.... lovin the new username

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52GsqHvrPBg

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013


*nods*

otoh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=playlist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pg0byaqVaXo

Pener Kropoopkin fucked around with this message at 21:50 on Dec 25, 2016

Hilario Baldness
Feb 10, 2005

:buddy:



Grimey Drawer

ThaumPenguin posted:

Just so you're aware, four of those links are identical.

gently caress poo poo, fixed.

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

lol Jacobin posted a holiday picture of Lenin and twitter blew up as liberals struggled to comprehend that leftists don't blindly despise the soviet union

Next four years are going to be fun

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.
https://twitter.com/jacobinmag/status/813006973562130433
Tweet in question

Atrocious Joe posted:

Next four years are going to be fun
It's gonna be pretty fun watching liberals react to their ideology being dismantled in real time.

The only problem is what's going to replace it. :smith:

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich
Nothing says "Merry Christmas" like this here picture of a militant atheist.

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

Do you think this is funny?

Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:

Nothing says "Merry Christmas" like this here picture of a militant atheist.

this, but unironically

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:

Nothing says "Merry Christmas" like this here picture of a militant atheist.

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

Dashing? But I'm not even moving!



one of the great leftist radicals of our time, right up there with russell brand

Hilario Baldness
Feb 10, 2005

:buddy:



Grimey Drawer
I'm trying to unpack a lot of the negative stigmas that have been pressed upon my impressionable mind by the American bourgeois, and while I am currently struggling to separate Stalin from much of the negative stigmas I have to admit that I like much of Lenin's writings.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Doc Hawkins posted:

one of the great leftist radicals of our time, right up there with russell brand

*to the tune of Feliz Navidad*
There is not a God
There is not a God
There is not a God
Or Masters over proletariat

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Hilario Baldness posted:

I'm trying to unpack a lot of the negative stigmas that have been pressed upon my impressionable mind by the American bourgeois, and while I am currently struggling to separate Stalin from much of the negative stigmas I have to admit that I like much of Lenin's writings.

i do jokey fake hero worship of revolutionaries on the regular but lenin is the one where it's very very close to being sincere

more so than marx himself tbh

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014



9 Dollars 95 Cents
Dec 26, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo

Win!!!!! For the win. Bernie Sanders

Fiction
Apr 28, 2011

Hilario Baldness posted:

I'm trying to unpack a lot of the negative stigmas that have been pressed upon my impressionable mind by the American bourgeois, and while I am currently struggling to separate Stalin from much of the negative stigmas I have to admit that I like much of Lenin's writings.

Stalin was actually pretty bad in the long run but Lenin is cool.

The Kingfish
Oct 21, 2015


Stalin was not a good person. You aren't gonna have a good time trying to rehabilitate him.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

The fact that Russian nationalists can have a big hardon for Stalin alongside Tsar Nicholas says it all imo.

E:
The literal isolation of late capitalism
https://twitter.com/jeff_kaye/status/813319497817976832

Pener Kropoopkin fucked around with this message at 14:44 on Dec 26, 2016

Fiction
Apr 28, 2011

zen death robot posted:

Stalin was basically the reason the government was so paranoid and corrupt that by the time Gorbachev tried to stop the bullshit it ended up accidentally ending the country (Chernobyl and Afghanistan didn't do them any favors either)

Yeah, kind of a huge bummer that the guy who was able to get them through one of the most perilous parts of the Soviet Union's history turned around and took a hammer to anything which might have paved the way for socialism.

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

communism can very very very easily just become "everyone is equal under my boots"

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012

Yinlock posted:

communism can very very very easily just become "everyone is equal under my boots"

yeah and liberal democracy has never birthed a tyrant

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

Darkman Fanpage posted:

yeah and liberal democracy has never birthed a tyrant

i mean if we're going to get into a pissing contest between the two i don't particularly like communism's chances there re: the general well-being of it's people

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

I mean the inherent flaw in it is that someone does have to be in charge so it becomes Everyone Is Equal Except This One Guy Who's Better and that someone is usually crazy or an rear end in a top hat

it works well when that's not the case though

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

could be better

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Yinlock posted:

i mean if we're going to get into a pissing contest between the two i don't particularly like communism's chances there re: the general well-being of it's people
only countries that are racially homogenous can guarantee the general well-being of the people
:goonsay:

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Yinlock posted:

I mean the inherent flaw in it is that someone does have to be in charge so it becomes Everyone Is Equal Except This One Guy Who's Better and that someone is usually crazy or an rear end in a top hat

it works well when that's not the case though

That is the inherent flaw in all hierarchies. :sad:

zen death robot posted:

That's not what he was saying

I'm not paraphrasing him.

I'm trying to make fun of this line of argumentation without breaking down into the usual beats of First World economies being fueled by centuries of colonialism & imperialism, or that the richest country in the world can't even guarantee public healthcare while Cuba can, or that capitalist countries are being plagued by austerity politics without the existential threat of global communism to compete with.

Pener Kropoopkin fucked around with this message at 15:23 on Dec 26, 2016

DOCTOR ZIMBARDO
May 8, 2006
You realize we, in Obama's America, live in a more encompassing surveillance state than anything that was in the Eastern Bloc, with police that are less accountable than those of the Eastern Bloc, with an entire undercaste of people who can be detained indefinitely on a whim... right??? With a percentage of people in prison or detention or state supervision that is a hair under that of the GULAG period right???

President Trump is about to inherit a state security apparatus that lets him surveil, black bag, or murder anyone in the world without even a fig leaf of due process or oversight, bro.

DOCTOR ZIMBARDO fucked around with this message at 15:54 on Dec 26, 2016

Fiction
Apr 28, 2011
Libertarian socialism is hot with the lefty kids these days, so who knows what a socialist state would look like now. I'm not sure how you solve the problem of squashing counterrevolutionaries without insane amounts of political repression though.

DOCTOR ZIMBARDO
May 8, 2006

zen death robot posted:

Yet I can tell anyone in government to go gently caress themselves, hell to their face if I have the chance, and not get disappeared.

When's the last time you tried it?

Alternatively:

Are you white?

Fiction
Apr 28, 2011

zen death robot posted:

It's an interesting thought experiment anyway. I'm not hot on political repression because down that way lies madness imo. You win people over with positive results and you're always going to have a fringe that hates everything but whatever.

honestly a benevolent surveillance state with no censorship is probably the best we could hope for

that's pretty close to what our liberal democracy is like already

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DOCTOR ZIMBARDO
May 8, 2006

zen death robot posted:

Judging by your rapsheet you've been oppressed a lot. I'm not getting into this with you :greencube:

And a happy new year to you, chowderhead!

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