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Ibram Gaunt posted:The MC is clearly the dog.
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When can I get my hands on Persona V on my pee ess quad? I don't speak nippon, do I have to import from US?
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uncleKitchener posted:When can I get my hands on Persona V on my pee ess quad? I don't speak nippon, do I have to import from US? April.
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Dec 24, 2016 10:58
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And it's out in Europe around the same time
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Due to timezones it technically comes out first
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Terper posted:And it's out in Europe around the same time Assuming ATLUS is nice enough to do that, which is currently unlikely given it took forever for SMT IV to be released and they delayed the European release of Apocalypse. Like SEGA Europe, they really don't like us because of "poor sales" (which is complete and utter crap) Speaking of Apocalypse I haven't finished it yet, I should prob go do that.
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Harmacist posted:Assuming ATLUS is nice enough to do that, which is currently unlikely given it took forever for SMT IV to be released and they delayed the European release of Apocalypse. Like SEGA Europe, they really don't like us because of "poor sales" (which is complete and utter crap) Deep Silver are publishing it here and have confirmed a same day release iirc.
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Dec 24, 2016 11:53
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Sweeeeeet. Gonna get smtiv and the handheld while I wait. Feels weird buying a console just for one game or maybe two.
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uncleKitchener posted:Sweeeeeet. Gonna get smtiv and the handheld while I wait. Feels weird buying a console just for one game or maybe two. good thing there are tons of other totally rad games on the 3ds.
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Finished SMT4: Apocalypse last night, holy poo poo that game was satisfying. Been YEARS since I got into a jrpg as hard, I'm also glad I didn't resort to the macca dlc to finish it like I did in SMT4 original. The final boss design was fantastic though I slightly prefer the one they showed in the concept art. Now I'm gonna go back to Nocturne so I can do a strenght build like I alway wanted to.
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Junpei Hyde posted:Deep Silver are publishing it here and have confirmed a same day release iirc. Oh thank goodness. I was worried I was going to see another P3P/SMT IV scenario again.
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So my first real foray into the SMT series is going well. 11 hours into Strange Journey, on the third Sector now. I did play Innocent Sin for a goo while too but man...it was not fun. If only that game's soundtrack could be transplanted into SJ, everything be perfect. Although, oddly, SJ is making me want to start up P2 again and try to finish it... It's not like I hated the characters or anything, it just felt so tedious and pointless. Maybe I'll try again later. Anyway, as I said, I loved the music in Persona 2. I even have a CD boxset I bought a while ago. Music is a vital part of a good gaming experience IMO. I'm just curious since this comes up fairly often in the FF thread, which SMT games have the best soundtracks?
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Dec 25, 2016 22:17
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NikkolasKing posted:I'm just curious since this comes up fairly often in the FF thread, which SMT games have the best soundtracks? I'd go with Digital Devil Saga 2 and Persona 3. But all of them are pretty strong, Meguro's Uematsu-tier and he does basically all the composing. The soundtrack of 5 is shaping up to be up there in my favourites too, if the quality of the clips I've heard is representative of the final OST. e: I do have some fondness for Strange Journey's weird orchestral stuff though. I certainly never thought that it was a weak soundtrack. CottonWolf fucked around with this message at 22:36 on Dec 25, 2016 |
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Dec 25, 2016 22:24
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CottonWolf posted:e: I do have some fondness for Strange Journey's weird orchestral stuff though. I certainly never thought that it was a weak soundtrack. I like the battle theme, it's just the dungeon music that has been entirely "eh" to me. I have a lot of game to go, though. As I said, it was mainly in comparison to P2 that it was kinda letting me down. P2 had nonstop great music. Goddammit, I went to just check out some of the great music on YT and what do I stumble upon? "Maya's Death." NikkolasKing fucked around with this message at 22:56 on Dec 25, 2016 |
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P5 has a good soundtrack, but I feel like a lot of the background music during scenes is a bit more forgettable than P3 or P4, it has THE BEST after school theme though. Seriously, Beneath the Mask is a contender for one of Meguro's best songs.
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NikkolasKing posted:So my first real foray into the SMT series is going well. 11 hours into Strange Journey, on the third Sector now. I did play Innocent Sin for a goo while too but man...it was not fun. If only that game's soundtrack could be transplanted into SJ, everything be perfect. Since you brought up the subject, I do love how orchestral the SJ soundtrack is, despite the tinny DS speakers, it produced some outstanding stuff. Although I could never get over the fact that the regular battle theme sounds like a bunch of distorted "HEE"s and "HO"s after someone pointed that out to me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3YcANVqmIM CottonWolf posted:I'd go with Digital Devil Saga 2 and Persona 3. My biggest issue with it is that for some reason the in-game music has trouble looping and so it sounds a bit choppy whenever a track ends.
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Captain Baal posted:P5 has a good soundtrack, but I feel like a lot of the background music during scenes is a bit more forgettable than P3 or P4, it has THE BEST after school theme though. Umm some bold words. after p3p.
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As someone who loves all of the tracks P3P adds, they're not as good as Beneath the Mask.
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The Raidou games have awesome soundtracks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYPH6IAHRj0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4V_rAW0tku0
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Both Raidou games and DDS 1 for me. I really, really like both Majin Tensei's as well.
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Another preference-based question. I started this series partly because I like alignments and multiple endings and that kinda good stuff. The idea there is a big moral question underlying each game in the (main) series also intrigued me. Just wondering which game you guys feel handled it best?
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NikkolasKing posted:Another preference-based question. It depends on what you mean handles it best. Generally a major problem with any SMT game with alignment is "Law/Chaos are crazy rear end in a top hat options" to varying degrees because they represent extreme ends of the spectrum, with Neutral being the not-crazy-rear end in a top hat option. That said in terms of games that have handled it the best I think Nocturne (with its Reasons) and Devil Survivor (with its variety of outcomes) are the best in terms of making it at least somewhat plausible someone would chose those options. None ever really manage to make Law/Chaos feel *good* (because they're not supposed to be unless you're full Hail God or Darwanism as a person) but those games probably do the best. DS (as a plus or a minus depending) has a re-release called Overclocked which has a 'softer' ending for both Chaos and Law that makes it more reasonable and less extreme.
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tbh law/chaos always going to extremes in these games is more of a feature than a bug imo, it's true that it's not so hot if you're doing the whole 'what would i do in this situation' kind of roleplaying but these games never really have enough player agency to do that anyway i should probably play devil survivor for more than hour though, maybe it's better at that
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Devil Survivor definitely has the best overall with structure, character building, mission effecting, and just interesting stuff being done with it. Nocturne is the best overall as far as the mainline games go since the Reasons are much less extreme, but they still do ultimately turn to the same militant unsympathetic salesmen in every game with the exception of Shijima and True Demon. I actually like a lot SMTIV's theming around that stuff but mechanically it's a mess and probably has the biggest ridiculous turn to crazy assholes of any of them. That being said the neutral ending in that game is an insane high I feel.
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Captain Baal posted:Devil Survivor definitely has the best overall with structure, character building, mission effecting, and just interesting stuff being done with it. Nocturne is the best overall as far as the mainline games go since the Reasons are much less extreme, but they still do ultimately turn to the same militant unsympathetic salesmen in every game with the exception of Shijima and True Demon. I actually like a lot SMTIV's theming around that stuff but mechanically it's a mess and probably has the biggest ridiculous turn to crazy assholes of any of them. Yeah, I think SMTIV has strong themes but kind of rushes too hard to get where it is going and feels a little awkward to pull off. Final is sort of the opposite direction where the themes are kind of weaker but better executed except for the godawful-rear end final dungeon. (Made up for by a hilarious final boss fight.)
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Do not play devil survivor unless you love NPCs randomly game overing you because half the missions are basically escort 2 removed a lot of that and the games aren't connected by story a la final fantasy.
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Devil Survivor handles it best, with Strange Journey coming close. Raidou 2 brings up the rear but it's not actually LNC. The issue here is that if you're looking for a meaningful choice with no outright "correct" answer you are looking at the wrongest series possible.
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Tae posted:Do not play devil survivor unless you love NPCs randomly game overing you because half the missions are basically escort Wiki tells me the Devil Survivor games are tactical RPGs? I've never played one before. I guess everyone has to start somewhere. I will still probably leave it for after Nocturne, Persona 3 and 4 and...uh...well, maybe it'll come after that, unless those Raidou games are good.
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Tae posted:Do not play devil survivor unless you love NPCs randomly game overing you because half the missions are basically escort I always kind of liked that though. It helped to hammer in the fact that in a demon infested quarantine survival both the most important thing but also quite difficult to achieve.
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NikkolasKing posted:Wiki tells me the Devil Survivor games are tactical RPGs? I've never played one before. I guess everyone has to start somewhere. Raidou 1 is mediocre and very strange (arguably the best demon in the entire game is Throne). The improvement from Raidou 1 to 2 is stunning... except that 2 is so easy an elementary schooler could probably break it over one knee.
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Hunt11 posted:I always kind of liked that though. It helped to hammer in the fact that in a demon infested quarantine survival both the most important thing but also quite difficult to achieve. It's also fair to note that Devil Survivor gives you tons of battlefield control options which the escort missions encourage you to use. If you try to straight-brute-force it they can be nasty but the game has Racial Skills for a reason.
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Hunt11 posted:I always kind of liked that though. It helped to hammer in the fact that in a demon infested quarantine survival both the most important thing but also quite difficult to achieve. You can do that without having suicidal weak AI attacking into enemies before your turn even comes up
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Tallgeese posted:Devil Survivor handles it best, with Strange Journey coming close. Raidou 2 brings up the rear but it's not actually LNC. Oh I'm sure Neutral or whatever is supposed to be the right answer every time. Still, it's new and different and that's a good motivation for playing a game, at least to me. Glad to see someone else sticking up for SJ, though. Part of why I chose it as my first SMT game is based on someone telling me I wouldn't be disappointed by its alignment system.
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NikkolasKing posted:Oh I'm sure Neutral or whatever is supposed to be the right answer every time. Still, it's new and different and that's a good motivation for playing a game, at least to me. The reason Strange Journey is good is because it manages to make two out of the three alignments a reasonable choice given what you see. They screwed up with Chaos though, unbelievably. They went too far with the imagery of literal rivers of blood instead of focusing on evolutionary aspects. So close yet so drat far. Raidou 2 has a similar problem in that it makes two of the alignments look reasonable, and the third... not so much. But again, it's not LNC. I would look at that if you liked how Strange Journey handled it. Tallgeese fucked around with this message at 04:49 on Dec 26, 2016 |
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Tallgeese posted:Raidou 2 has a similar problem in that it makes two of the alignments look reasonable, and the third... not so much. But again, it's not LNC. I would look at that if you liked how Strange Journey handled it. Do you mean I should look at Nocturne and its "Reasons" instead?
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No, I meant Raidou 2, this one: http://megamitensei.wikia.com/wiki/Devil_Summoner_2:_Raidou_Kuzunoha_vs._King_Abaddon People like to call its alignments LNC, but that's not what they are. It's Honesty/Directness, Neutrality, Patience. You know, actual human attributes as opposed to cosmic forces.
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Tallgeese posted:No, I meant Raidou 2, this one: Oh. Dummy me, I completely misread what you were saying. But yeah, thanks for the suggestion. I'll add this to my list. I'm gonna have a lot of things to play for a while it seems .(this is a good thing) Problem is just deciding what order to play them all in...
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Devil Survivor 1 does an excellent job of illustrating how rapidly the situation is deteriorating. There's a lot of stuff that relies on chance and luck that I don't think works that well from a game perspective, but the story is good.
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DS1 Overclocked is probably one of the first times I felt Chaos was just an all around better ending than most (assuming you go the "Don't kill humans" subroute), whereas it's far more ambiguous in the original release. The updated Law ending kinda creeped me out by comparison
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Inflammatory posted:good thing there are tons of other totally rad games on the 3ds. I'll have to look into it since the catalog is pretty big now. NikkolasKing posted:I'm just curious since this comes up fairly often in the FF thread, which SMT games have the best soundtracks? It doesn't depend what you like. I'm a big groove, jazz, blues, old house, rock, funk and orchestral listener (call me old-fashioned), so I'm more into the SMT side rather than persona or whatever vocal tracks they have. My recommendation is to start with Megami Tensei I of famicom version and move onto the rereleases and the SMT variations. SMT if is where things start getting interesting. Nocturne is where things branch off and moves on to DDS. Anything from there is a good listen even the game itself may be questionable or bad to people. Persona stuff gets good from P2 onwards. Most P4 stuff is not for me but people love it and eat it up like candy. Persona 5 on the other hand is just the kind of game for an old school guy like me. Vocal tracks are still not my thing, but everything else is great.
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