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Patrick Spens posted:That someone with testicles and a Y chromosome can become female quote:Nobody thinks that Liam Neeson was performing femaleness in Taken but Mycroft would say that he was.
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Miss-Bomarc posted:saying that someone with testicles and a Y chromosome is male unless otherwise stated is the very definition of traditional gender roles Wait, what?
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Rocksicles posted:Wait, what? Okay, having finished Too Like the Lightning a couple of days ago and given myself time to think about it, here's what's going on. The society in TLtL is an explicitly non-gendered one. Everyone uses "they" to refer to other people rather than "he" or "she". The narrator is breaking societal conventions by using gendered pronouns for people, but rather than assigning gender by physical configuration, does so by behavior. So aggressive and ambitious people are "he" while protective and caring people are "she" regardless of what bits they have between their legs. In essence TLtL presents a trinary view of gender. Gender is either: 1) Biological and physical. This is the traditional view we mostly use today, where-in gender is determined by the presence of a penis or vagina on any given person. 2) Behavioral. This is the view espoused by the narrator of the novel, that gender is defined by a series of behaviors. 3) Unimportant. The society at large in TLtL espouses this view. Gender, whether biological or behavioral isn't worth distinguishing people by. Everyone is "they" not "he" or "she." Miss-Bomarc is effectively advocating #3 by denying the validity of #1 or #2 as "traditional gender roles". If gender isn't your biology, and isn't how you act, what meaning can "he" or "she" have at all? None, really, which leaves us with what they presumably prefer...that we go the route of the TLtL society and abolish the gendered words entirely. jng2058 fucked around with this message at 18:35 on Dec 25, 2016 |
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Dec 25, 2016 18:32
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This is a loaded question but does anyone know numbers of non binary people worldwide? gotta be less than like 3% right?
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Dec 26, 2016 00:32
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I don't know about worldwide, there was a British survey done in 2012 that had 0.4% return an answer of neither male nor female. But those answers are going to be very culturally bound.
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Dec 26, 2016 02:07
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Rocksicles posted:This is a loaded question but does anyone know numbers of non binary people worldwide? gotta be less than like 3% right? I don't think you can get a real answer? I mean, going off of my tiny experience, but I know two non binary people and neither one has come out as such given that they live in places where it's not safe to do so.
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Dec 26, 2016 10:49
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Rocksicles posted:This is a loaded question but does anyone know numbers of non binary people worldwide? gotta be less than like 3% right? Veeeery hard to say, even if you could magically assure a perfect response rate to surveys, because unlike with sexuality where there's a reasonably objective criterion, gender identity is super tricky to define and fraught with unstated cultural assumptions and you won't get the same answer from two people. Probably a whole lot of people who reject gender roles in some form or another, and fewer (but more than you think) who reject gender roles totally.
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Dec 26, 2016 19:40
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Also rejecting gender roles != rejecting a gender/being non-binary.
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Dec 26, 2016 22:52
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due to donald and ivankda the next front in The Gender Wars is normalizing incest
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Dec 26, 2016 23:12
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Baloogan posted:due to donald and ivankda the next front in The Gender Wars is normalizing incest Frozen beat them to it!
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Dec 27, 2016 05:13
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Chairman Capone posted:Frozen beat them to it! 
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I see Alastair Reynolds has a newish book Revenger that has come out, is it any good? For the record I have generally liked his work, but the last book of his I read Blue Remembered Earth for whatever reason I couldn't get into.
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Dec 28, 2016 07:36
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I was gonna give it a shot but it's received terrible reviews on Goodreads and apparently it's YA? I gave it a miss. On the other hand, another Merlin story just came out called the Iron Tactician which was pretty good.
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Dec 28, 2016 07:41
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Jack2142 posted:I see Alastair Reynolds has a newish book Revenger that has come out, is it any good? For the record I have generally liked his work, but the last book of his I read Blue Remembered Earth for whatever reason I couldn't get into. On the topic of Alastair Reynolds, is the collaboration he recently did with Stephen Baxter that's the sequel to Clarke's Meeting with Medusa any good?
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Revenger is good, and not YA except for the protagonist's age. Well, maybe a tiny bit near the start. But it's good. Not your usual Reynolds, but I love the setting.
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Dec 28, 2016 08:55
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I just finished the Iron Tactician. I swear his dialogue has gotten more stilted.
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90s Cringe Rock posted:Revenger is good, and not YA except for the protagonist's age. Well, maybe a tiny bit near the start. But it's good. I agree 100% I started out thinking "Ugh, don't want to read about angsty teens. What's next, a glittering werewolf and broomstick races?", but very early on it switched to a different story, as the protagonist is quickly forced to grow up. The setting starts out being described like some Jules Verne-in-space steampunk-ish universe, but you soon get an idea that there is more to this than what the natives are experiencing. Throughout the book, hints are being dropped about the universe and I honestly can't wait to see what Reynolds plans to do with this setting.
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Dec 28, 2016 15:20
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hopefully that universe doesn't end with walking cathedrals
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Dec 28, 2016 17:03
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FuturePastNow posted:hopefully that universe doesn't end with walking cathedrals What universe does? I'm intrigued.
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Shab posted:What universe does? I'm intrigued. I assume it's a reference to the Revelation Space series. Actually my main problem with Revenger is the same as it was with Revelation Space: There's a lot of cool background stuff that I kind of find more interesting than the main characters that will probably never get explored/would be ruined if it did. Also the whole space-whalers/steampunk thing is not my type of sci-fi either, so that didn't help.
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I found Revelation Space so forgettable that I was 1/3 of the way through my second reading before I realized I had read it before. On the other end of the Reynolds spectrum, I'll never forget Pushing Ice. As a result I've never been able to form a proper opinion on his writing.
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Shab posted:I found Revelation Space so forgettable that I was 1/3 of the way through my second reading before I realized I had read it before. On the other end of the Reynolds spectrum, I'll never forget Pushing Ice. As a result I've never been able to form a proper opinion on his writing. Yeah, I've realized since finishing them that while I remember certain parts of the Rev Space books very vividly, as a whole it's all a blur. I actually forget what series some of those parts are even from. The Prefect is probably actually my favorite book from the whole series.
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Shab posted:What universe does? I'm intrigued. Last third of the Revelation Space trilogy. It... I didn't like it. Maybe it was good and I have no appreciation for the arts.
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Shab posted:What universe does? I'm intrigued.  
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Dec 28, 2016 23:10
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What was the fan fiction novel posted here either last dec or dec before that? It was on star destroyer net about a human ai battleship a thousand years after earth was destroyed. I spent too much of my x,as vacation reading it and at the time it was a few chapters from completion. Wondering if it was ever done.
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Hughlander posted:What was the fan fiction novel posted here either last dec or dec before that? It was on star destroyer net about a human ai battleship a thousand years after earth was destroyed. I spent too much of my x,as vacation reading it and at the time it was a few chapters from completion. Wondering if it was ever done. Sounds like The Last Angel; not sure if it ever finished, I stopped reading it a long time ago. https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/the-last-angel.244209/
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Elyv posted:Sounds like The Last Angel; not sure if it ever finished, I stopped reading it a long time ago. That was the one. Thanks.
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Elyv posted:Sounds like The Last Angel; not sure if it ever finished, I stopped reading it a long time ago. It finished and there's a sequel. The sequel basically concludes the story, it's more like a duology then a single work. Also as a point of order, it's not fan fiction but an original work.
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Dec 31, 2016 23:03
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It started as Halo fanfic where the covenant won
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CaptainJuan posted:It started as Halo fanfic where the covenant won Then he must have re-written it later, there's nothing of that junk left now. 
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Lol you can still see where the serial numbers were filed off. Come on. E: for the record I read and enjoyed the hell out of the first one
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CaptainJuan posted:Lol you can still see where the serial numbers were filed off. Come on. Sorry, the only thing I remember from Halo's story is that there was a sword and you could stab people with it (Back when I was in the army we draftees spend a lot of evenings playing Halo: One of us had a Xbox and lots of controllers.)
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So in the last year I've read all of: The Culture (Banks) The Commonwealth (Hamilton) Old Man's War (Scalzi) The Expanse (Corey) In that order of enjoyment, which is also the order of technology level. I love me some utopian level technology. I recently read Revelation Space and Chasm City by Alastair Reynolds, but I'm torn on starting Redemption Ark. Something about both of those books just didn't click with me. They felt... slow? Inhuman? I never really cared about any of the characters at all. Before I continue aimlessly, are there any other big Space Opera series' that I might enjoy more? The Culture has been my favorite so far, but I loved the Commonwealth series as well.
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Legend of Galactic Heroes novelization https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B01BI91F00/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1
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Loutre posted:So in the last year I've read all of: Neal Asher's Polity series?
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In regards to Reynolds my personal favorite book was Chasm City, however it is kind of a weird side adventure that isn't really linked to the main storyline beyond a cameo in Redemption Ark. However alot of people would say Redemption Ark is probably the best of the Revelation Space novels. Also I decided to pick up Revenger and so far its alright. Also the HALO fanfic turned into a book, makes me nostalgic for a story I was writing in High School with a similar idea and I badly blended HALO and Battlestar Galactica with the humans losing and fleeing in a exile fleet that got whittled down to nothing and everyone died, oo bad that was lost like two computers ago. Jack2142 fucked around with this message at 09:49 on Jan 1, 2017 |
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Loutre posted:So in the last year I've read all of: Vernor Vinge, A Fire Upon the Deep and A Deepness in the Sky.
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Loutre posted:I recently read Revelation Space and Chasm City by Alastair Reynolds, but I'm torn on starting Redemption Ark. Something about both of those books just didn't click with me. They felt... slow? Inhuman? I never really cared about any of the characters at all. Standard "at least read House of Suns before giving up on Reynolds" reply (it's excellent).
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