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Baloogan posted:gotta describe pictures for me PissPigGrandad aka LeninLover69 went and joined YPG to fight ISIS, and he makes weird tweets from the frontlines of Rojava now.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:PissPigGrandad aka LeninLover69 went and joined YPG to fight ISIS, and he makes weird tweets from the frontlines of Rojava now. Risking death / killing people in a fight you have no dog in to impress Twitter Marxists is truly a noble way to die.
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Dec 26, 2016 21:55
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it's a funny way to die
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funny way to spell posted:Risking death / killing people in a fight you have no dog in to impress Twitter Marxists is truly a noble way to die. killing isis members.
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funny way to spell posted:Risking death / killing people in a fight you have no dog in to impress Twitter Marxists is truly a noble way to die. You're the guy who ate bugs to own PissPigGrandad
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funny way to spell posted:Risking death / killing people in a fight you have no dog in to impress Twitter Marxists is truly a noble way to die. No one calls them twitter Marxists, dad.
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Dec 26, 2016 23:02
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funny way to spell posted:Risking death / killing people in a fight you have no dog in to impress Twitter Marxists is truly a noble way to die. yeah if hes serious about his beliefs why doesnt he do something that will really change the world like shitpost in an unfunny reboot of an internet subforum
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Dec 26, 2016 23:21
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Basically freedom of speech is a triviality when people are radically alienated from each other, and don't have the means to organize for a revolutionary change. If revolutionary socialists or communists ever seriously threatened the capitalist order, we'd see anti-sedition acts past real fuckin quick. Hell, we may not even have to wait for a powerful Left now that Trump & the Republican party are coming to power. American liberal democracy is so depraved, they can't even accept social democrats in the Democratic party. Freedom of speech is a triviality now, and wholly unnecessary after the revolution has succeeded. These so-called "freedoms" of speech and thought and conscience are all bourgeois affectations.
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Dec 26, 2016 23:22
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what does a "Real" marxist look like
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Dec 26, 2016 23:41
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ummmm use an iphone much? LOL
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Dec 26, 2016 23:41
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BLM should stop complaining because things aren't that bad here in america. they're pretty good
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Dec 26, 2016 23:43
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if blacklivesmatter thinks america is so bad they should try to have a protest in russia
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i wish soros wouldn';t ffund so many terrosits in america like blm 
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Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:Freedom of speech is a triviality now, and wholly unnecessary after the revolution has succeeded. These so-called "freedoms" of speech and thought and conscience are all bourgeois affectations. *Tacky-rear end Rococco watches the credits roll for The Turner Diaries film adaptation* "Well, as long as no minorities were actually hurt in the making of this feature..."
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:*Tacky-rear end Rococco watches the credits roll for The Turner Diaries film adaptation* Yeah, forget what that other guy said about freedom of speech being a triviality, I'm with this guy. Freedom of speech is actually highly undesirable, as evidenced by this thing that was just made up.
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Atrocious Joe posted:if blacklivesmatter thinks america is so bad they should try to have a protest in russia They have an equal chance of being considered enemies of the state or sponsored by Putin's supporters, and an even higher chance of being both.
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Dec 27, 2016 00:21
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What are some good books on the USSR and why it got so messed up
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Dec 27, 2016 00:30
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The Road to Serfdom by Friedrich Hayek
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GunnerJ posted:The Road to Serfdom by Friedrich Hayek Thanks GunnerJ, I'll check it out.
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Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:Yeah, forget what that other guy said about freedom of speech being a triviality, I'm with this guy. Freedom of speech is actually highly undesirable, as evidenced by this thing that was just made up. The point is that freedom of speech is a triviality, so long as there isn't a prevailing counter-narrative that threatens liberal hegemony, is the point. If white nationalists throw up enough finance to get a white nationalist film produced, how far are you willing to commit yourself to such a quixotic moralism? Ideas and ideologies aren't of equal value. Some of them just don't belong in public. If it's not ok to beat up fascists, and it's not ok to censor their speech - then how do you even fight them? The forces of reaction can't be defeated by the pure logic of liberal argumentation, they accept violence as an ideal formulation of their politics.
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Freedom of speech is only good so long as the radical left isn't already in charge. Unironically.
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Violence isn't the solution i say as the blackshirt leads me to the wall
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Dec 27, 2016 01:27
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zen death robot posted:My main points earlier were mostly that when people think "marxism bad" they're thinking of the oppressive regimes like the GDR and Stalinism. Not that things are just loving great now. Gorbachev was on the right path overall when he tried to ease things up in the USSR and allow other parties and a lot more freedoms, but by that time the system had rotted away so much because of Stalin/Brezhnev (god Brezhnev was a moron) they were already pretty hosed. When spending $18 billion to clean up Chernobyl nearly bankrupts you then things were already pretty dire. Hmm, decent point. On the other hand Stalin had a cool mustache and I want him to be my dad, so he was good and didn't do any crimes
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:The point is that freedom of speech is a triviality, so long as there isn't a prevailing counter-narrative that threatens liberal hegemony, is the point. If white nationalists throw up enough finance to get a white nationalist film produced, how far are you willing to commit yourself to such a quixotic moralism? Ideas and ideologies aren't of equal value. Some of them just don't belong in public. I too remember when we didn't brutally murder all the monarchists in 1783, allowing British loyalists to undermine and destroy our new and fragile republic.
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Dec 27, 2016 01:36
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Weird idea: I think freedom of speech and expression is good, and I don't like stuff like banning books or killing people because they don't subscribe to your ideology.
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Dec 27, 2016 01:37
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Hot take: freedom of speech is good except when it's bad
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Dec 27, 2016 01:40
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:The point is that freedom of speech is a triviality, so long as there isn't a prevailing counter-narrative that threatens liberal hegemony, is the point. How is such a narrative to come into existence in the absence of free speech? At least this The Kingfish posted:Freedom of speech is only good so long as the radical left isn't already in charge. makes sense, because from a radical perspective, freedom of speech in a situation like ours is far from a triviality, it is of extreme importance.
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Dec 27, 2016 01:41
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Hell, I haven't studied history or anything (too hard - bourgeois meddling mayhaps?) but I'm pretty sure the only way to defend my ideology is to epically murder everyone who disagrees with me
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Dec 27, 2016 01:43
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Hell, I certainly can't see any bad consequences arising from a one-party government being able to shield itself from all criticism.
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Zoq-Fot-Pik posted:I too remember when we didn't brutally murder all the Southern landowners in 1866, allowing White supremacists to undermine and destroy black Americans' new and fragile freedom.
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Zoq-Fot-Pik posted:I too remember when we didn't brutally murder all the monarchists in 1783, allowing British loyalists to undermine and destroy our new and fragile republic. I recently read US Grant's memoirs. He strongly pushes the case that the Confederacy was able to punch substantially above their weight in the Civil War because dissent was not tolerated in their press, whereas some Northern papers were practically pro-South in their loyalties. To his mind, censorship was clearly the way to go. It makes sense. The Civil War was a lot closer than it "should" have been, given the relative populations and industrial capacity. The US's record in wars where the free press has been largely respected is a lot more checkered than its record in wars where the press has served as government organ. Freedom of speech is not without cost.
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Not prosecuting actual traitors committing actual acts of terrorism after the Civil War is not the same as not killing or imprisoning all the Republicans because they don't think socialism is good. Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:I recently read US Grant's memoirs. He strongly pushes the case that the Confederacy was able to punch substantially above their weight in the Civil War because dissent was not tolerated in their press, whereas some Northern papers were practically pro-South in their loyalties. To his mind, censorship was clearly the way to go. "Not without cost" is not equivalent to "we shouldn't have it at all and in fact our socialist government should be more like the Confederacy," which is something I'm sure you already understand.
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Dec 27, 2016 01:59
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Now I'm mad because I'm remembering how much of a piece of poo poo Andrew Johnson was.
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Maybe the press isn't really that free anyways? But yeah why shouldnt a proverbial marxist government blackmail some journo thats about to reveal its secret take over plans if it could, I know I would.
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Zoq-Fot-Pik posted:I too remember when we didn't brutally murder all the monarchists in 1783, allowing British loyalists to undermine and destroy our new and fragile republic. Ah well, if you put it that way I guess we should tolerate genocidal speech. It's just, like, an opinion man. Zoq-Fot-Pik posted:Hell, I haven't studied history or anything (too hard - bourgeois meddling mayhaps?) but I'm pretty sure the only way to defend my ideology is to epically murder everyone who disagrees with me https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties
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Zoq-Fot-Pik posted:Weird idea: I think freedom of speech and expression is good, and I don't like stuff like banning books or killing people because they don't subscribe to your ideology. of course! of coooourse, its just the people undermining the ideology who need to be assassiuuuh, re-educated
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freedom of speech after the american civil war got you another hundred years of the tyranny of the kkk and jim crow so i guess it was a good thing that we didn't repress those white southern traitors' right to express themselves
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Dec 27, 2016 02:34
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Zoq-Fot-Pik posted:Not prosecuting actual traitors committing actual acts of terrorism after the Civil War is not the same as not killing or imprisoning all the Republicans because they don't think socialism is good. I'm sure a lot of Democrats would be imprisoned too
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Yeah, think about how much it would have owned if only powers of arbitrary suppression of free expression had been granted to bourgeois Gilded Age Republicans. Goddamn, that would have been so great, what a missed opportunity.
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jarofpiss posted:freedom of speech after the american civil war got you another hundred years of the tyranny of the kkk and jim crow so i guess it was a good thing that we didn't repress those white southern traitors' right to express themselves Nah. It was the federal government's unwillingness to wage a counter-insurgency. A reminder that some 40,000 blacks were assassinated during the Reconstruction years. The KKK was a Victorian Era al-qaeda back in the day.
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