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I was fine with it. Actually more low-key than I expected (despite the Gold music hysterics which I've become immune to), and more adult than Moffat's usual fare. Except maybe the squishy toy torture, I haven't quite processed that part except once again Moffat has made a female character both smart and driven and still unlikeable.
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Dec 26, 2016 18:31
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I liked it quite a bit. Though really, Grant clearly grew up on the John Byrne, post-Crisis Superman, with the assertive go-getter version of Clark, but acted like a pre-Crisis/Chris Reeve nerdy Clark. Though I'm probably reading too much into the choice of Superman books beyond "they were laying around and we go them cheap".
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Dec 26, 2016 18:50
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Mind Loving Owl posted:And why did Grant act like the a version of Silver Age Superman that only really existed in the minds of hacky parodists? Kid grew up on 90s comics. If anything, he should be acting the part of a grim and gritty antihero! Or conversely Kid Grant could've been in the '80s.
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Dec 26, 2016 19:05
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ewe2 posted:I was fine with it. Actually more low-key than I expected (despite the Gold music hysterics which I've become immune to), and more adult than Moffat's usual fare. Except maybe the squishy toy torture, I haven't quite processed that part except once again Moffat has made a female character both smart and driven and still unlikeable. I didnt particularly like the episode, but honestly if you didnt like the character in this instance I think thats more on you than it is on moffat, she was perfectly fine.
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Dec 26, 2016 19:14
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I actually fell asleep during that special, though mainly due to it being 10 and having been at Xmas stuff all day. I'll be watching it proper tonight, but I did re-watch Power (IN GLORIOUS COLOR) and that was awesome to see again.
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Dec 26, 2016 19:21
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I liked that they didn't turn the third act into an episode of Threes Company with Not Superman having to run between baby and date. I liked Not Lois Lane. I liked that the German brain guy alien looks like one of my bosses, who is not German but might be an evil brain guy alien. I dislike that John Byrne now exists in the Doctor Who universe, because it's bad enough we have him.
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Dec 26, 2016 20:04
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I'll be really disappointed if that torture doll won't be instrumental in mocking/defeating the main villain of the season.
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Dec 26, 2016 20:25
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It was OK. Glad it wasn't actually set at Christmas. Lucas was good, looks like hes around next year too.
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Dec 26, 2016 20:47
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Josh Lyman posted:That felt like an RTD episode I disagree but then again, I'm more a fan of the RTD era than the last few years.
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Dec 26, 2016 23:37
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Mind Loving Owl posted:Matt Lucas was indeed one of the story's saving graces, which is lucky, since the whole little boy's room sequence primed me for pain. And why did Grant act like the a version of Silver Age Superman that only really existed in the minds of hacky parodists? Kid grew up on 90s comics. If anything, he should be acting the part of a grim and gritty antihero! Given Grant's about 8 in the flashback and his wall is literally papered with comics, I figured he'd inherited his collection from his dad/uncle/older sibling. Why waste ridiculous amounts of cash on something that could be a passing phase?
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Dec 26, 2016 23:47
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In the interests of being positive.... I really liked the Doctor figuring out that Clark Kent was Superman. Other than that.... well, the trailers reflected the tone and quality of the episode pretty well I guess. It wasn't as bad as The Doctor, The Widow and The Wardrobe at least  The trailer for Season 10 looked good! I hope you all had a Merry Christmas 
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Dec 27, 2016 00:04
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TL posted:I liked it quite a bit. Though really, Grant clearly grew up on the John Byrne, post-Crisis Superman, with the assertive go-getter version of Clark, but acted like a pre-Crisis/Chris Reeve nerdy Clark. Though I'm probably reading too much into the choice of Superman books beyond "they were laying around and we go them cheap". Can't pattern yourself entirely on an image. Grant's clearly still a total loving dork even as the Ghost, he's just constantly trying to put up a facade, which I thought was a cute and kind of original way of handling the seret identity thing. All the classic superheroes are confident and good at maintaining thatmask, even if it leads to bias in who they save, but Grant's clearly awful at it.
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Dec 27, 2016 00:13
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It was Silver Age as hell, I laughed, and nothing bothered or offended me. It was the appetizer for a full course of Doctor Who in 2017. Would recommend. The only thing that even slightly irked me was "man, Moffat had to bring up River ONE more time, didn't he?"
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Dec 27, 2016 00:15
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Watched it with my Dad after dinner. We enjoyed it but then we generally do. My wife is a Capaldi fan and dislikes Doctor Who but she enjoyed it too. In another family tradition it took 90 minutes to watch because my mother talked over every other scene so we had to rewind it over and over again.
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Dec 27, 2016 00:17
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That was loving dreadful.
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Dec 27, 2016 06:34
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It was cheesy, dorky fun. I never enjoy the Christmas specials as much as the main series, but I liked it  I laughed at the Pokemon distraction technique.
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Dec 27, 2016 07:56
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That was very competent, and also kind of boring. Grant should probably continue doing what he's doing, though, because the doctor doesn't actually save random people from burning buildings.CobiWann posted:It was Silver Age as hell, I laughed, and nothing bothered or offended me. It was the appetizer for a full course of Doctor Who in 2017. Would recommend. I love the little self unaware summary: "And then she died a long time ago in a library." What a way to go.
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Dec 27, 2016 09:44
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Murray Gold scoring the thing like it was a Tom and Jerry cartoon didn't help it one bit. An entirely average episode.
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Dec 27, 2016 11:10
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The_Doctor posted:Oh right, new Who has started. Bulgaria, as the Guardian and I assume other sites have pointed out. If you remember the whole "Doctor Who is coming to Canada" thing in the summer, that was because Canada was very, very briefly muted in the office as an option for Cheap New York before Bulgaria was chosen (because it has an NY-esque backlot with appropriate action vehicles). I think Peter casually mentioned to a fan during loc filming that we were going to Canada and it went all over the internet. Of course people on the internet bitterly complained that MOFFAT HAD LIED TO THEIR FACES about Canada, instead of it being an honest mistake. Fans of things, eh? echoplex fucked around with this message at 11:37 on Dec 27, 2016 |
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Dec 27, 2016 11:33
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Anyway, I don't do superheroes (who actually goes and sees Marvel movies?*) but I was able to work in a couple of micro-homages from the ultimate NY film into the ep. *apparently literally everyone else
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Dec 27, 2016 11:49
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echoplex posted:Anyway, I don't do superheroes (who actually goes and sees Marvel movies?*) but I was able to work in a couple of micro-homages from the ultimate NY film into the ep. I'm gonna throw up. Nice though! 
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Dec 27, 2016 12:21
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Micro is right. I don't think I'd have ever picked up on that.
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Dec 27, 2016 12:26
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Wait, does that mean Grant grew up in an Ivo Shandor building? 
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Dec 27, 2016 12:29
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That was cute and fun. I liked the "i prefer you in your superhero" costume bit and the timing on the joke where he takes his mask off then puts it back on as she's talking about how he's never lied was great. I didn't like how it gets all sad about River at the end, but at least it didn't devote the entire last act to her like last year.
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Dec 27, 2016 13:38
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echoplex posted:Anyway, I don't do superheroes (who actually goes and sees Marvel movies?*) but I was able to work in a couple of micro-homages from the ultimate NY film into the ep. That is a thing of beauty  . Quick question about one of the sets; Was it me, or were the alien ship corridors the TARDIS's from Journey to the Center of the TARDIS?
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Dec 27, 2016 13:46
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Ofaloaf posted:There was a moment after he caught the spaceship that I thought he was about to dramatically start losing his powers while trying to safely dispose of the ship, because he fumbled and twitched a bit and I thought that was going to lead into the Doctor going "he had to lose them now?" thing. cargohills posted:I enjoyed that. I take it the brain things will be back next series given the ending. I think that was just leaving the door open for them to come back some time without it being RTD-esque "uhh these ones are the very definitely final ones ever though"
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Dec 27, 2016 13:55
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2house2fly posted:I think that was just leaving the door open for them to come back some time without it being RTD-esque "uhh these ones are the very definitely final ones ever though" To be fair, that was really more to give flavour to the Time War when it was this big unknown thing than anything else.
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Dec 27, 2016 14:04
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I really loved this special, I rank it just behind the Santa one with Shona and just ahead or tied with the A Christmas Carol one.
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Dec 27, 2016 14:27
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So how dogshit was the Christmas special? As unwatchable as last years? As unwatchable as that Narnia one from a few years back? Or good like The Christmas Invasion?
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Dec 27, 2016 14:49
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I didn't watch it (I had more important posts in this thread to make  ) but "meh" is the average response (median, mean and mode)
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Dec 27, 2016 14:56
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A mediocre Christmas special? So it's one of the best ever Christmas specials? I will give it a watch.
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Dec 27, 2016 15:00
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marktheando posted:A mediocre Christmas special? So it's one of the best ever Christmas specials? I will give it a watch. I wouldn't even call it a Christmas special. There's nothing Christmas-related to the plot beyond maybe the first five minutes of the special.
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Dec 27, 2016 16:11
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marktheando posted:So how dogshit was the Christmas special? As unwatchable as last years? As unwatchable as that Narnia one from a few years back? Or good like The Christmas Invasion? From having just seen it and liked it, and setting responses in this thread ranging from "loved it" to "utter horseshit", I'm going to say it'll depend entirely upon your tastes.
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Dec 27, 2016 16:45
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Neddy Seagoon posted:I wouldn't even call it a Christmas special. There's nothing Christmas-related to the plot beyond maybe the first five minutes of the special. That's pretty par for the course, RTD's specials were pretty much "there's an alien, oh and it's Christmas". I don't remember any before Moffat that were explicitly Christmas themed.
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Dec 27, 2016 17:13
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Neddy Seagoon posted:I wouldn't even call it a Christmas special. There's nothing Christmas-related to the plot beyond maybe the first five minutes of the special. Having now watched it fully, this is true. There's a little bit at the start and that's it, glossed over. I thought it was watchable, I enjoyed The Ghost but it wasn't anything awesome or anything. Enjoyable watch but that's about it
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Dec 27, 2016 17:13
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It was a perfectly acceptable episode, but it's not going to get onto anyone's lists of great episodes. Not every episode is going to be Heaven Sent. I know that's an apology for sometimes shoddy writing, but it's also the truth. On a forced distribition across a completely randomly arbitrarily assembled scale of The Twin Dilemma (Or The Zygon whatever) to Heaven Sent, this episode is probably higher than median, but not much. The high point was Capaldi. He had a number of pretty good lines and he delivered them well. It's ok - I'm an intruder too. Yeah I brought snacks - mark of a pro. How come our side never gets plans like that? And Matt Lucas was good, too. He brings something a bit different to the role of companion. I like when poo poo isn't the same old poo poo as always, and "super sexy cool companion" is played out for the time being. Bring on the rogues with inscruitable plans and madcap shenanigans.
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Dec 27, 2016 17:28
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The worst part of the episode was watching the next season preview and noticing just how little Matt Lucas was in it. I think he might only be in a couple of the early episodes and then bow out again. This is a shame, as I think he was great this episode and will make a wonderful companion.
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Dec 27, 2016 17:36
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I enjoy any episode where Capaldi gets to channel Tom for a bit. His lines at the start when he'd just swung through the window were a pretty good example, I thought.
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Dec 27, 2016 17:36
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Plavski posted:The worst part of the episode was watching the next season preview and noticing just how little Matt Lucas was in it. I think he might only be in a couple of the early episodes and then bow out again. This is a shame, as I think he was great this episode and will make a wonderful companion. Lucas was the part I was most expecting to dislike in this episode (because even though I like Matt Lucas, his character was really annoying last year) but he ended up being one of the highlights for me.
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Dec 27, 2016 17:39
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Ultimately where "The Return of Doctor Mysterio" fails for me is that it does a superhero meets the Doctor story without letting the superhero and the Doctor interact in any meaningful way. Then it doesn't have anything interesting to say about superheroes at all besides "hey, remember how Clark Kent and Superman had this kinda screwed up relationship with Lois Lane? That was kinda screwed up, wasn't it?" So what you end up with is an uninteresting superhero story half the time and a too abbreviated Doctor Who story for the rest of it. I didn't hate it...there were a few scenes that worked (like the "interrogation" scene) and some of Moffat's trademark clever writing...but having seen it I'm not going to go out of my way to see it again. It certainly wasn't as good as "A Christmas Carol" which is my favorite Who X-mas special by a wide margin.
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