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E Equals MC Hammer posted:Shadow creatures + zin + pan scumming = 2ez Holy poo poo, that's amazing. I would have never thought that it'd only spawn holy critters in Pan when you're worshipping a good god.
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Dec 26, 2016 19:09
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Speleothing posted:Holy poo poo, that's amazing. I would have never thought that it'd only spawn holy critters in Pan when you're worshipping a good god. It gives you angels, daevas, cherubs, and toenail golems.
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Dec 26, 2016 19:50
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Oh, Zin-ism. There's nothing chaotic/corrupt/weird about making a golem out of discarded toenails.
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Dec 26, 2016 20:23
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Roctavian posted:Oh, Zin-ism. There's nothing chaotic/corrupt/weird about making a golem out of discarded toenails. Zin loving loves turning people into salt so he's not really one to criticize others for being weird.
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Dec 26, 2016 20:39
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You can be weird, so long as there is purity in your weirdness.
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Died in Zot 5 from what appears to be a lack of damage output. I was using a +9 pain trident with like 20 necro and 18 polearms. Was not cutting it. Orbs ate me up. edit Wrote Halberd first by mistake. euphronius fucked around with this message at 02:23 on Dec 27, 2016 |
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Dec 27, 2016 01:37
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Halberds are the worst 2-hand polearm in terms of raw damage output.
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Had a trident, sorry. Here is the pastebin. http://pastebin.com/K14cr2d8 This was my most successful "caster" by far. Tho a +10 plate rand art basically carried me through the early game. Necro Summons did nothing against orbs. If I do it over again, I would do less EXP in Necromancy and get a 2hander online. I as almost there anyway, but I have a psychological attachment to shields. euphronius fucked around with this message at 02:29 on Dec 27, 2016 |
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Anything with rN+++ is totally immune to pain effects. Orbs of fire and ancient liches and curse toes and electric golems have rN+++. Pain is not very good there unless you are killing dragons. e: Basically you were swinging an unbranded trident and should have swapped to anything else. Even that +6 demon trident would probably work out better even though its brand was equally useless there. Darox fucked around with this message at 02:30 on Dec 27, 2016 |
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Dec 27, 2016 02:26
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Pain is a really bad brand for endgame in general. Its fine for chewing through draconians but most of the really dangerous enemies are totally immune to its effects. Don't even think about bringing it into extended.
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Darox posted:Anything with rN+++ is totally immune to pain effects. Orbs of fire and ancient liches and curse toes and electric golems have rN+++. Pain is not very good there unless you are killing dragons. Yeah. I as relying on Dispel undead and summons to kill rN+++s before that. Obv dispel undead wont work. Internet Kraken posted:Pain is a really bad brand for endgame in general. Its fine for chewing through draconians but most of the really dangerous enemies are totally immune to its effects. Don't even think about bringing it into extended. Yeah I as just trying for a 3 rune win. Darox posted:
I only saw one brand scroll!!! I was waiting for another to hopefully get elec or something on that demon trident. That was my goal at least. euphronius fucked around with this message at 02:32 on Dec 27, 2016 |
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Dec 27, 2016 02:30
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Vaults 5 with Death Channel and Kiku corpses to summon is pretty easy tho. The easiest V5 clear I've ever done.
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euphronius posted:Yeah. I as relying on Dispel undead and summons to kill rN+++s before that. Yeah pain + Dispel Undead gets you through most things (pain also shreds Orb Guardians). For orbs you will need might or berserk, or just skip them but that's gotten harder in current versions. The unbranded demon trident is better for them, but again you really want might or berserk. Berserk can be risky itself, also. I've used simulacra against orbs before but it seems to be a real gamble, sometimes they just all melt right away.
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Dec 27, 2016 06:59
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Simulacrum never stop being good if you worship Kiku. Yeah they die fast against some enemies but with corpse drops you can make massive armies of them. No reason not to stroll into each chamber with a legion of ice behind you. If you're just doing a 3 rune game, burn every buff consumable you have when fighting an OoF.
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It feels like you don't understand that all problems for a necromancer are solved with infestation.
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Gonna have to jump ship to TSO for hell. I didn't find any weapon better than the elemental staff and shadow creatures + zin doesn't work in hell.
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New necro and I found a +3 spear of pain on D1. Game is taunting me.
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Dec 27, 2016 14:59
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Someone explain god gifts to me. I train in axes. I only use axes. I get a gift from Trog -- +8 Quick Blade. The hell?
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Dec 27, 2016 15:28
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Shinino Kage posted:Someone explain god gifts to me. God gifts work like acquirement, but with some added weight to certain features, like Trog giving antimagic more often. Now, how likely are you to get something useful when you acquire weapons? There's your answer.
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Dec 27, 2016 15:41
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Floodkiller posted:God gifts work like acquirement, but with some added weight to certain features, like Trog giving antimagic more often. Now, how likely are you to get something useful when you acquire weapons? There's your answer. Which goes back to what I said a while back. Why does acquirement give you things that you have no use for? I dunno, I just think that acquirement / god gifts should give you something you have skill points in (even if from cross training)
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Shinino Kage posted:Which goes back to what I said a while back. Why does acquirement give you things that you have no use for? I dunno, I just think that acquirement / god gifts should give you something you have skill points in (even if from cross training) It is weighted towards weapons training. It's just, sometimes you roll snake eyes. And sometimes you roll a bunch of snake eyes. No grampa okawaru my swordsminotaur don't want another mace for Christmas, and no, not another unenchanted hat either while you're at it!
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Shinino Kage posted:Which goes back to what I said a while back. Why does acquirement give you things that you have no use for? I dunno, I just think that acquirement / god gifts should give you something you have skill points in (even if from cross training) If you had the option to restrict acquirement down to a single weapon class, I feel you would come back and ask why you can be gifted a +5 hand axe of distortion when you acquire axes. The devs intended acquirement to not be a wish system, just a way to force floorgod to spawn something that is interesting on demand, even if it may not be interesting to you specifically. I'm indifferent to either approach, but maybe one of the devs can explain in better detail why acquirement is preferred over wishes for Crawl design.
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Floodkiller posted:If you had the option to restrict acquirement down to a single weapon class, I feel you would come back and ask why you can be gifted a +5 hand axe of distortion when you acquire axes. The devs intended acquirement to not be a wish system, just a way to force floorgod to spawn something that is interesting on demand, even if it may not be interesting to you specifically. I'm indifferent to either approach, but maybe one of the devs can explain in better detail why acquirement is preferred over wishes for Crawl design. Actually when I brought this up originally, I said I'd be fine with that. And it's more about acquirement than God Gifts, as acquirement is fairly rare. If you're asking for a weapon, it should give you a weapon type that you're trained or cross-trained in. If it happens to be a Hand Axe and not an Executioner Axe, then that's bad luck, and is okay. Getting a short blade when all you're using is maces, though, is just frustration waiting to boil over.
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Sometimes you get a God gift that's outside your skillset, but also completely amazing, so you change your plan. I like it when that happens, adds a bit of variety.
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euphronius posted:New necro and I found a +3 spear of pain on D1. NOw the floor god gave me a +3 Bardiche of Pain  Probably too big to ever use well. edit Demolished by the Minotaur with a rod of innacuracy. He killed me in 4 hits nice. euphronius fucked around with this message at 20:40 on Dec 27, 2016 |
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Dec 27, 2016 19:47
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Well you basically got shot by this games equivalent of an anti-tank gun.
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Shinino Kage posted:Actually when I brought this up originally, I said I'd be fine with that. And it's more about acquirement than God Gifts, as acquirement is fairly rare. If you're asking for a weapon, it should give you a weapon type that you're trained or cross-trained in. If it happens to be a Hand Axe and not an Executioner Axe, then that's bad luck, and is okay. And a lot will be hot garbage either way, but so will weapons of the type you want. They get so redundant that in the long run you're not going to be using most of the ones that spawn anyway. (Also iirc a lot of things use the acquirement code to create good items in vaults/etc, so changing it would have further-reaching effects than you'd think)
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Dec 28, 2016 02:00
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3-rune win with a GrFi of Hepliaklqana. Hep's hexer ancestor is really fun and powerful, to the point where I'm sure it'll get nerfed soon. My strategy for most of this game was to hide behind my ancestor, skeletons/zombies, and shadow creatures and poke enemies with polearms. Shortly before getting the Vaults rune and doing Zot I exchanged that randart glaive for the demon trident and a shield; still not sure if that was the right call, but it worked out.
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Hadn't read any of the trunk commits lately, but now I'm much less confused why I'm 13 runes in without seeing HW or haste.
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Dec 28, 2016 06:41
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Playing an ogre summoner (warper secondary) over on cbro trunk, nearly died to caustic shrikes at 2:50 in the morning. Lucky survival, saving it and calling it a night. http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/LordSloth/LordSloth.txt
I will most certainly splat this puppy in amazing fashion - but first, I'm gonna sleep.
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Shillegah is one of the unrands I've never seen. Makes me sad since it sounds pretty fun.
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IronicDongz posted:it's kind of underwhelming, the damage just isn't that good Yeah, it can't compare to a battle-axe. It is a one-hander with 8 base damage. The explosion only seems to happen when I deal damage, and since my skill is around 14... The explosion scales with melee damage done, so it actually does a great job clearing chaff, especially evasive monsters, as long as you aim for the weak. On the other hand, this also means you'll see better explosion damage on a dedicated fighter. If you're playing a non-Beogh Orc or a deep dwarf, it's worth a shot.
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IronicDongz posted:it's kind of underwhelming, the damage just isn't that good It's hilarious if you get your hands on a lot of slaying, though.
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loving Shoals are a complete mess. what was the idea behind it. Dear god. Nuked by an aquamamcer looking for cover . euphronius fucked around with this message at 21:14 on Dec 28, 2016 |
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Holy poo poo hill orc monks are fun. Beogh is so incredibly powerful. I can smite, AND get insanely tough orc followers. I'm going to loving steamroll orcish mines when I get there and probably be rolling about 20 orcs deep if everything goes right. What are some good general tips to maximize effectiveness?
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tweet my meat posted:Holy poo poo hill orc monks are fun. Beogh is so incredibly powerful. I can smite, AND get insanely tough orc followers. I'm going to loving steamroll orcish mines when I get there and probably be rolling about 20 orcs deep if everything goes right. What are some good general tips to maximize effectiveness? give good polearms to all your dudes with names
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tweet my meat posted:Holy poo poo hill orc monks are fun. Beogh is so incredibly powerful. I can smite, AND get insanely tough orc followers. I'm going to loving steamroll orcish mines when I get there and probably be rolling about 20 orcs deep if everything goes right. What are some good general tips to maximize effectiveness? IronicDongz posted:~the strat~ is to train up only like 4-5 melee orcs at once(so the XP is less split between them) into warlords and gift them all polearms(pref. 1H polearms) IronicDongz posted:Monster attack delay with a weapon is (10+[base delay])/2 ex: a monster attacking with a bardiche has an attack delay of 15 and one with a spear has an attack delay of 10 or 11 randomly. Basically the delay they will have is an average of the weapon's delay and 1.0. IronicDongz posted:ps if there's like, an orc wizard or priest or whatever you don't want who keeps getting recalled before orcs you do want you can always kill them without incurring penance via standing in shallow water, using wand of flame on yourself to make steam, then switching spots with them so they get scalded to death.
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http://crawl.berotato.org:8080/#watch-LordSloth I've decided I won't enjoy Extended even if I can. Going for the orb of zot with glorious shield gong, hat of pondering, and the best armor i've seen in forever. Edit: Ascension complete. Gong 100%. Ponderous 100%. Runes? Meh %. LordSloth fucked around with this message at 03:12 on Dec 29, 2016 |
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