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Spiritus Nox posted:Oh my god I hadn't even considered that Hell of a ride, this show.
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Gotta say I was not expecting the Uexkull/Yakaya pairing, but it does make a little sense. Buff Uexkull is still pretty great though.
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StandardVC10 posted:Gotta say I was not expecting the Uexkull/Yakaya pairing, but it does make a little sense. Buff Uexkull is still pretty great though. And people were starting to think Papika/Cocona was problematic 
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The part where Salt shoots his younger self in the head was pretty amazing, it would have been really predictable and also a huge cop-out for a show like this to have an ending where they go back to the past to fix all the mistakes and make it so all the development in the rest of the show didn't mean poo poo, I guess the writers for this show also don't like that kind of ending! For a show about going into a magic imagination land it actually has pretty strong themes about accepting reality as it is.
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 Cocona and Papika's relationship is a good life goal I think (hopefully without the reincarnation)
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Nice finale. Enjoy the instant noodles, FF animators...  https://twitter.com/binobinobi/status/814135201865428992
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Well, so much for that anti-escapist message I thought it was going for. For a moment I thought it was going to do something interesting at the end there, but nope, just a troll (pretty good troll tho). I dunno what do say. I was kind of expecting the show to try and say something with it's finale, but it was just action scenes, tieing up the needlessly convoluted plot, and standard feelgood stuff. Ah well. Turkeybro posted:The part where Salt shoots his younger self in the head was pretty amazing, it would have been really predictable and also a huge cop-out for a show like this to have an ending where they go back to the past to fix all the mistakes and make it so all the development in the rest of the show didn't mean poo poo, I guess the writers for this show also don't like that kind of ending! That was probably the best part of the episode yeah. But if it was going for an accepting reality shtick, it wouldn't have ended with them flying off to dreamland with giant butterflies.
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Pavlov posted:Well, so much for that anti-escapist message I thought it was going for. For a moment I thought it was going to do something interesting at the end there, but nope, just a troll (pretty good troll tho). they were returning to reality
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Since when has this show been about anti-escapism? It's pretty much all been "Cocona learns to love her life/the people around her" from the word go.
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Dec 30, 2016 00:05
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Spiritus Nox posted:Since when has this show been about anti-escapism? It's pretty much all been "Cocona learns to love her life/the people around her" from the word go. I mentioned last episode I thought I was noticing that message. I was wrong.
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Dec 30, 2016 00:07
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I'm pretty sure the butterflies were leading them out of dreamland, back to their normal world which has hoverboards, androids, green blobby rabbits, and shadowy organizations but more notably does not have second chances to make your past mistakes never happen, closed worlds where you can live in daydreams forever, or reality-bending powers to force people to become whatever you want them to. That pure illusion city she woke up in was glum and drab, but the show is pretty overt about how she doesn't have to live in that sort of world because she has friends like Papika, Yayaka, and Iroha to add warmth, color, and adventure to her life.
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Yeah, that's exactly right. Look at the recurring imagery of the vertical striped prison bars that dogged Cocona in most of her normal life scenes, and then in the final arc appeared within PI itself. In this episode they are exorcised. So in the visual language of the show, Cocona has escaped, both in and out of PI.
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https://twitter.com/somekindofthing/status/814613770668572672 Something the episode didn't dwell on a lot, but that I found quietly brilliant about this scene- THIS was why Papika was initially, instinctively drawn to Cocona. It never had anything to with her memories of Mimi, or the fragment in Cocona's thigh. It was always Cocona. "I like you for you," indeed.
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Cephas posted:I'm pretty sure the butterflies were leading them out of dreamland, back to their normal world which has hoverboards, androids, green blobby rabbits, and shadowy organizations but more notably does not have second chances to make your past mistakes never happen, closed worlds where you can live in daydreams forever, or reality-bending powers to force people to become whatever you want them to. The fake city was loving our world. She ends by escaping out of that in a flock of butterflies with a girl so over-the-top that people ITT thought she was a figment of coconut's imagination. For the confidence-getting arc it works ok. But they brushed right up to an anti-escapist idea and took a conscious 180.
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Hot Take: Escapism and dreams serve a emotionally useful purposes in moderation and flatly rejecting them entirely is a far less satisfying narrative throughline than the road to acceptance and self-love
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Pavlov posted:The fake city was loving our world. She ends by escaping out of that in a flock of butterflies with a girl so over-the-top that people ITT thought she was a figment of coconut's imagination.
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Pavlov posted:The fake city was loving our world. She ends by escaping out of that in a flock of butterflies with a girl so over-the-top that people ITT thought she was a figment of coconut's imagination. Cocona and Papika are not back in their real world until they are free falling, ie. where they don't have pure illusion powers. The world you are calling 'our' world was just another pure illusion. I thought this was clear as hell that they return to reality when everyone is reacting to the fact they got out of that pure illusion by seeing C/P in the sky or in the HQ's case using their monitoring equipment.
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Cephas posted:I'm pretty sure the butterflies were leading them out of dreamland, back to their normal world which has hoverboards, androids, green blobby rabbits, and shadowy organizations but more notably does not have second chances to make your past mistakes never happen, closed worlds where you can live in daydreams forever, or reality-bending powers to force people to become whatever you want them to. Yeah, that was my take away from it when I talked about accepting reality. It might not be a perfect dream world but that doesn't mean you need to have a drab, grey life like that PI world in the end, there's plenty of space for adventure.
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Weird BIAS posted:Cocona and Papika are not back in their real world until they are free falling, ie. where they don't have pure illusion powers. The world you are calling 'our' world was just another pure illusion. I thought this was clear as hell that they return to reality when everyone is reacting to the fact they got out of that pure illusion by seeing C/P in the sky or in the HQ's case using their monitoring equipment. Yah I get that. I don't live in flip-flapper world though. The one I live in is like the fakeout one. I'll assume you live here too.
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If you've ever been depressed, you'll know that seeing the world as a gray, lifeless thing where literally nothing can change is also a kind of escapism. It's removing yourself from the responsibility to do anything or to deal with the problems in your life. Leaving that is ending your escapism. So no, the world I live in isn't really like the fakeout one. Endorph fucked around with this message at 01:13 on Dec 30, 2016 |
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Fakeout world wasn't even that bad. It was just slightly less cartoony. Hell it's winter here I got gray skies too.
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Pavlov posted:Fakeout world wasn't even that bad. It was just slightly less cartoony. Hell it's winter here I got gray skies too. Oh loving brother, dude.
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I've got a dozen small questions/nitpicks about this episode, but I'll just stick with one: what's up with the scene of Papika in tree prison. Is this something that actually happened in the past, or am I supposed to read it as a figurative expression of their relationship? If it's the former, then I'm completely lost on the timeline. Also, kind of neat 
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The Colonel posted:the "real life sucks" meme I kinda like it tbh.
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Endorph posted:the real world is full of opportunity and joy Can be! I wish we had gotten to see coconut apply that 'confidence' thing she was working on towards making the best out of it. Instead we got butterflies in Pure Illusion.
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LOVE LOVE SKELETON posted:I've got a dozen small questions/nitpicks about this episode, but I'll just stick with one: what's up with the scene of Papika in tree prison. Is this something that actually happened in the past, or am I supposed to read it as a figurative expression of their relationship? If it's the former, then I'm completely lost on the timeline. Simplest explanation - pick right up from when we saw Papikana dive into Pure Illusion after Mimi and Cocona. Mimi realizes she's about to go boom, hands Cocona off to Papikana, goes boom. Papikana gets knocked out, the tree prison rises around her, and she de-ages because of magic bullshit. At some point later Cocona comes across her, befriends her, and releases her from the tree prison - and it's strongly implied that this, not the connection to Mimi, is what initially draws the reborn Papika to Cocona after she escaped from Pure Illusion, probably not that long after this. The show's super vague about the precise mechanics of it all, but I don't really care about any of them anyway, so eh. If I had to guess, they both emerged in the Asclepius' ruined lab shortly after that meeting - memories of their time in PI foggy as hell - and got picked up by the Klan. Cocona gets put under the care of Robo-Gran, Papika eventually gets sprung loose by Salt and Flip Flap. Pavlov posted:I wish we had gotten to see coconut apply that 'confidence' thing she was working on towards making the best out of it. Instead we got butterflies in Pure Illusion. She literally helped beat up her mother's insane and controlling split personality alongside her girlfriend while decked out in matching sets of armored wedding dresses, dude. And the whole reason she even broke out of the hopeless illusion to begin with was because she now has the courage to believe that it's possible, that she CAN see Papika again. Spiritus Nox fucked around with this message at 01:31 on Dec 30, 2016 |
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LOVE LOVE SKELETON posted:I've got a dozen small questions/nitpicks about this episode, but I'll just stick with one: what's up with the scene of Papika in tree prison. Is this something that actually happened in the past, or am I supposed to read it as a figurative expression of their relationship? If it's the former, then I'm completely lost on the timeline. I think it's sort of deliberately ambiguous. I personally go with 'something in between'. I mean their feelings are in sync for Flip Flapping so we know they are similar in how they are feeling, so I think that scene is a blending of what happened in the past, and what's happening in the present (Cocona captured in the wooden barred prison). Pavlov posted:Can be! She rejects that reality because she can't find her love. It's pretty simple.
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pavlov this anime was very clearly not what you wanted from jumpstreet and I have no idea why you kept showing up to gripe about it until the very end but thank you for your time I guess I mean at least you thought it was pretty, and you're right
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They had mad Max, Ben hur and planet of the apes posters in the room.
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Zeruel posted:They had mad Max, Ben hur and planet of the apes posters in the room. I like to think that the mad max poster in Sayuri's apartment (at least I assume that's where that was) means that Mad Max Land with Kinky Dominatrix Villainess was partially based off of Sayuri's mind.
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I flipped the last two flaps. It was good. obvious production issues, but nothing too bad. It wasn't a perfect ending, but it was a good one. I'll take it. Easily one of my top animes of the year.
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Pavlov posted:Fakeout world wasn't even that bad. It was just slightly less cartoony. Hell it's winter here I got gray skies too. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3803411&pagenumber=6#post467826826 This is what you do with your loving time when looking for me Pavlov? Post heavy in the magical girl anime thread?
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Drinkfist posted:https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3803411&pagenumber=6#post467826826 Whoops, you caught me. Also Gorph's lying to you, I didn't forget how to mumble. Why are you lying to my good friend Drinkfist Gorph?
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I flipped, I flapped, I did both at the same time, it was good. That dong that happened at the start of the last episode reminded me of the Undertaker's entrance music.
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I'm going to miss seeing that ending every week. The only complaint I can really make about the show is that Nyunyu didn't really end up doing much, and I would have liked to have seen more of her and the twins. Otherwise, Flip Flappers succeeded at everything it set out to do wonderfully. At least she did this. https://my.mixtape.moe/fyssml.webm
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Command Ant posted:I'm going to miss seeing that ending every week. chekov's gun
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