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"Known for his surrealist films, he has developed a unique cinematic style. The surreal and, in many cases, violent elements contained within his films have been known to 'disturb, offend or mystify' audiences" is how the Wikipedia entry for David Lynch begins. I think you can basically swap out "films" for "video games" and get a good summary of Taro Yoko's style. Continuing this analogy, imagine a David Lynch who got stuck making nothing but Dune movies, and that's not far from what Drakengard is like for Taro Yoko--projects that are messy and unsuccessful at being action games, but the sheer weirdness and darkness are compelling in a way that makes you wish he had a better studio to work with. Enter Nier Automata.
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https://twitter.com/dodonpahchi/status/814274016236032000
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Holy poo poo how do you rocket forward like that
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Dec 30, 2016 13:12
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This video explains it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tp9L9GKGFH0 It only works in specific locations. Looks like it's a physics glitch.
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Taro Yoko is a Dark Lord of the Sith. Whenever he makes players suffer, his nipples tingle. Which explains the grin.
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Cephas posted:"Known for his surrealist films, he has developed a unique cinematic style. The surreal and, in many cases, violent elements contained within his films have been known to 'disturb, offend or mystify' audiences" is how the Wikipedia entry for David Lynch begins. I think you can basically swap out "films" for "video games" and get a good summary of Taro Yoko's style. Yeah, really "David Lynch but Japanese and Video games" pretty much sums him up as a person. His games have never been huge financial successes (IIRC NieR at least broke even for the company though), but he has amassed a cult following based on his particular style and storytelling. Think of something like Twin Peaks where, after you finish watching it the first time, you watch it again except this time there are extra scenes portraying (Twin Peaks spoilers) BOB as a heroic figure. A figurative cork in the bottle preventing a full on invasion by the red room, who had to kill Laura Palmer because she was the leader of a cult seeking to bring about the End of All Things. This time you watch it, instead of possessing Cooper at the end of the series, Cooper taps into latent psychic powers and kills BOB with mind bullets, thinking that'll end his murderous spree, but in doing so breaks the dam of reality between our world and the Red Room. It turns out that Little Mike in the red room was manipulating Cooper from the start and now that he's able to take his true form on Earth, completely annihilates Cooper body and soul. That would be how Taro Yoko's house style works. DeathSandwich fucked around with this message at 15:22 on Dec 30, 2016 |
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Just finished the demo. Enjoyed how the combat isn't really about memorizing combos, but knowing what attacks can chain into others. Having weapon switch on a face or shoulder button rather than up on the dpad is a necessity I think, in order to chain different attacks together and get the most out of the combat system. I wonder what game length will be like. If this has typical RPG length, it'll be unprecidented for a game with this sort of combat. I really like the collaboration between studios based on who is good at what. Wish it happened more often.
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It's actually going to have an RPG structure and multiple endings so I expect more length than your run of the mill brawler. Based on the structure of the level in the demo it's probably gonna be more like a dungeon-ish area you revisit in the full game rather than a traditional "level" because of the shortcuts and the areas you can't access in the demo. Also the game is gonna have mad air game if there's anything like an enemy step chip
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Arcanen posted:I wonder what game length will be like. If this has typical RPG length, it'll be unprecidented for a game with this sort of combat. For game length, if all of Yoko Taro's other games are any indication, you should expect a first playthrough to last somewhere in the neighborhood of 20 hours. But his games (almost?) always have New Game+ modes with story differences and multiple playthroughs are required to get all of the endings--and things usually start getting really interesting in playthroughs past the first. Going by HowLongToBeat.com, the first Nier takes 19-ish hours for a first playthrough and then anywhere from 35-40 hours for full story completion (and a lot more if you want all of the weapons and collectibles). Drakengard 3 is around that length, too, for a more recent example.
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Gameplay talk: I don't know if anyone knows how to pull this off reliably, but there's this one move I've been trying to pull off where 2B throws her sword forward like a buzzsaw, while simultaneously launching herself forward as well. I'm pretty sure you have to be dashing to start. The only way I've been able to get it to work is by hitting dodge+LA+jump while dashing. Am I missing something here?
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Press light attack + jump to have her throw it forward while she hops back, do the same while holding forward on the stick to have her follow the sword. You can't cancel out if it so I'm not sure it's that useful.
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Oh neat, thanks. I just want to look cool sometimes is all.
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haven't seen anyone else talk about this but if you rub the touch pad 2B pets the robot buddy. that's important, i think
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sharrrk posted:haven't seen anyone else talk about this but if you rub the touch pad 2B pets the robot buddy. that's important, i think goty
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Harrow posted:For game length, if all of Yoko Taro's other games are any indication, you should expect a first playthrough to last somewhere in the neighborhood of 20 hours. But his games (almost?) always have New Game+ modes with story differences and multiple playthroughs are required to get all of the endings--and things usually start getting really interesting in playthroughs past the first. Going by HowLongToBeat.com, the first Nier takes 19-ish hours for a first playthrough and then anywhere from 35-40 hours for full story completion (and a lot more if you want all of the weapons and collectibles). Drakengard 3 is around that length, too, for a more recent example. I think i was about 25 hours for my first playthrough of Nier (first & second endings), about 15-20 for Revengence, so if it matches that for a first runthrough, I'll be very happy. As long as it doesn't have a 'collect/level all weapons' requirement for an ending (though we all know it will).
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Kaboom Dragoon posted:I think i was about 25 hours for my first playthrough of Nier (first & second endings), about 15-20 for Revengence, so if it matches that for a first runthrough, I'll be very happy. As long as it doesn't have a 'collect/level all weapons' requirement for an ending (though we all know it will). I'm curious if they'll mix Taro's and Platinum's new game + progressions and make you play harder difficulties on top of other requirements.
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Nina posted:I'm curious if they'll mix Taro's and Platinum's new game + progressions and make you play harder difficulties on top of other requirements. Would be nice if they did.
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I'm half expecting an ending to be locked behind something absurd like "collect all the weapons and beat Very Hard with the save point chip unequipped"
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Everyone's explanation of YT was enticing enough that I read all the Drakengard lps and I am fully prepared for the insanity that surely follows in NieR.
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Bogart posted:Everyone's explanation of YT was enticing enough that I read all the Drakengard lps and I am fully prepared for the insanity that surely follows in NieR. Nier is relatively reserved, honestly. It's quirky, but Yoko never really topped the full-throated lunacy that went down in the first Drakengard.
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Oxxidation posted:Nier is relatively reserved, honestly. It's quirky, but Yoko never really topped the full-throated lunacy that went down in the first Drakengard. Hell, not even the other two Drakengard games got quite as batshit crazy as the first one did (though 3 probably came the closest). Though to be fair, an army of giant cannibal space babies is kind of hard to top.
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I admit I skipped most of the 2 LP after a point because I was tired of the hilarious commentary combined with the bad story. It is hard to beat taking the rhythm boss enemy to the real world and then getting hit by fighter jets and being impaled on the Tokyo tower.
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Nina posted:I'm half expecting an ending to be locked behind something absurd like "collect all the weapons and beat Very Hard with the save point chip unequipped" It has a Nier-style repeat playthrough but the repeat playthroughs force on the higher difficulty levels. 
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Bogart posted:I admit I skipped most of the 2 LP after a point because I was tired of the hilarious commentary combined with the bad story. 2 is the point where they went "maybe if we moderate Taro this will become marketable" but it was just a bad move in general. IIRC he wanted to make it an arcadey game about dragons in space.
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Nina posted:2 is the point where they went "maybe if we moderate Taro this will become marketable" but it was just a bad move in general. To my understanding it kind of worked since Drakengard 2 is the most popular entry in the series in Japan.
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Nina posted:2 is the point where they went "maybe if we moderate Taro this will become marketable" but it was just a bad move in general. Taro Yoko didn't have a drat thing to do with Drakengard 2. The Dark Id fucked around with this message at 19:31 on Dec 31, 2016 |
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Hello Nier Automata Thread. I just preordered this and I'm super hype without actually informing myself at all about the game. I spend ridiculous amounts of money on the Nier Soundtracks and will probably buy all Nier Automata Related Things. Edit: Wasn't the Drakengard 2 Director some no name guy they poached from the Drakengard 1 team? Jack-Off Lantern fucked around with this message at 19:20 on Dec 31, 2016 |
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The Dark Id posted:Taro Yoko didn't have a drat thing to do with Drakengard 2. I was under the impression he was in some kind of a team involved but not key personnel? Though this is based on citations sourced to japanese articles I can't read so it's fair enough to assume it's false
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Nina posted:I was under the impression he was in some kind of a team involved but not key personnel? Though this is based on citations sourced to japanese articles I can't read so it's fair enough to assume it's false He is credited as "Video Editor" I think. Which means poo poo all probably and is a honorary credit at best?
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Real hurthling! posted:maybe he edited the cutscenes? Wouldn't it be weird to go from Game Director to Video Editing Grunt, other than it being a punitive assignment due to some corporate stuff going on?
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Jack-Off Lantern posted:He is credited as "Video Editor" I think. Which means poo poo all probably and is a honorary credit at best? He was working on some other project (Cavia was basically a crummy licensed game sweatshop outside weird original titles) and the guy directing Drakengard 2 pretty much ignored the little input he had and made a boring sequel starring one of the stupidest protagonists ever.  Obligatory picture of Taro Yoko punching Drakengard 2's director in the face.
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The Dark Id posted:(Cavia was basically a crummy licensed game sweatshop outside weird original titles)
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Oh boy, right. They did Resident Evil Dead Aim and Bullet Witch.. Thanks, secret Yoko Taro Internet alias, the Dark Id
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD6xCLlF5dY YT puppet talks about how 9/11 changed everything about his perspective on videogame violence
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Oxxidation posted:Nier is relatively reserved, honestly. It's quirky, but Yoko never really topped the full-throated lunacy that went down in the first Drakengard. Nier trades insanity for heartrending sadness. I think it's the last game I actually cried at the (final) end of.
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Brainamp posted:Nier trades insanity for heartrending sadness. I think it's the last game I actually cried at the (final) end of. YT says that his understanding of player characters changed from "they must be insane to kill so much" to "they must really think they are right to kill so much" in making nier and that shift creates the basis for tragedy.
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Genocyber posted:It has a Nier-style repeat playthrough but the repeat playthroughs force on the higher difficulty levels. I'm cool with this as long as the repeats start from the beginning of the game and not at the halfway point again. I somehow managed to find and complete all the first half sidequests without a guide and without knowing where NG+ starts so luckily I dodged that bullet but goddamn what a dick move.
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Vanrushal posted:I'm cool with this as long as the repeats start from the beginning of the game and not at the halfway point again. I somehow managed to find and complete all the first half sidequests without a guide and without knowing where NG+ starts so luckily I dodged that bullet but goddamn what a dick move. Eh, you do miss out on content but you can just start a new game if you really want to do them. None of them are needed to actually complete the game, and starting from the halfway point makes far more sense from a pacing perspective. I'd prefer Nier 2 to be designed for starting from the beginning, mainly for maximum new enemy placements, but where exactly they start you doesn't matter so long as they don't cut you off from important content.
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Looking forward to the new flowers quest
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