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That card may be the card that makes me take a break from Netrunner. I was excited about the Red Sands cycle, but I have no desire to play against/with only horizontal decks for the next 2 years.
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Jan 3, 2017 10:24
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Wow. That's a console. ICE has never felt more pointless.
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Jan 3, 2017 10:24
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loving hell. gently caress this game.
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Jan 3, 2017 11:13
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Well, that kills my interest in fully catching up.
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Jan 3, 2017 11:49
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There have been plenty of chances for the designers of this game to walk back the imbalance between NBN/Anarch and the rest of the game, and they have consistently failed to do that. I'm going to assume incompetence as the playtesters of Netrunner are volunteers and not paid professionals who should be doing this poo poo for a living. It's loving mind boggling that, after statements saying they were looking to restrict cards that affected the design space of a game, they print a console that invalidates ICE. Most of this won't matter for me because I only play at a casual level, but this is not going to make Netrunner look good competitively.
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Jan 3, 2017 12:30
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You don't need playtesters to figure out that the card is wildly overpowered. I assume this is the card Damon had in mind when he said he'd been forced to buff something by higher-ups and that people would flip out when they saw it.
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Jan 3, 2017 12:49
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Dr. Angela Ziegler posted:SIFR is like a mini Security Nexus, except it takes no link, costs 1 influence, combos with Parasite, gives 2 memory, and is in Anarch. Hahahaha what the gently caress. Quoting for the new page.
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Jan 3, 2017 13:51
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Zephro posted:You don't need playtesters to figure out that the card is wildly overpowered. I assume this is the card Damon had in mind when he said he'd been forced to buff something by higher-ups and that people would flip out when they saw it. Apparently he's not working at FFG anymore, but that's all from Reddit, so take it with a grain of salt.
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Jan 3, 2017 14:08
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Afriscipio posted:Apparently he's not working at FFG anymore, but that's all from Reddit, so take it with a grain of salt. After seeing this card, I'm not really surprised.
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Jan 3, 2017 14:18
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That's ... a big downer. This is kinda reminding me of people talking about Doomtown (I didn't pay much attention to that game after one expansion so I don't know how close the parallels really are) and how it collapsed.
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Jan 3, 2017 14:20
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So balance is a myth then, got it.
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Jan 3, 2017 14:34
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Yithian posted:So balance is a myth then, got it. At 1 inf, all the factions get access to the busted console. Seems balanced to me 
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Jan 3, 2017 15:03
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Static Equilibrium posted:At 1 inf, all the factions get access to the busted console. Seems balanced to me
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Jan 3, 2017 15:05
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You guys don't understand, it's postironic balance.
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Zephro posted:You don't need playtesters to figure out that the card is wildly overpowered. I assume this is the card Damon had in mind when he said he'd been forced to buff something by higher-ups and that people would flip out when they saw it. This raises a lot more questions, such as "who the gently caress is above Damon that has such a boner for Anarch" and "who's mandating that a specific card be buffed, isn't that Damon's role" and, in general, "what the gently caress."
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Jan 3, 2017 15:06
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 says it's something featured in one of those garbage Android books.
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Jan 3, 2017 15:07
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if it was from a book we'd have Diversity Otter as a console, because Monitor owns. 
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A card that much of an auto include seems like a bad thing to have hanging over your head before the new core set drops. I guess stuff rotates out so slowly that doesn't really factor in i get the feeling pretty much everyone is going to be unhappy with that being something that exists both because you have to play around it but also because of the implications of where the game is going in terms of design.
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Jan 3, 2017 15:23
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The Deleter posted:This raises a lot more questions, such as "who the gently caress is above Damon that has such a boner for Anarch" and "who's mandating that a specific card be buffed, isn't that Damon's role" and, in general, "what the gently caress." My suspicion is that the storyline/theme/fluff of each cycle includes which faction(s) are on top. It makes sense that Anarchs would dominate during the aftermath of the 23 Seconds Incident but if Fantasy Flight only wanted to print cards for one runner faction and one corp faction at a time, they shouldn't have bothered to create the concept at all!
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Jan 3, 2017 15:33
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The one influence on that card makes me think it's less of an "Anarchs are the best" card and more just bad overall design in general card since everyone is supposed to be using it.
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Jan 3, 2017 15:37
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Can any French goons confirm it is, in fact, reduce hand size by one and not to one? Also, what's the new meta that will evolve around this thing? Jinteki mind games? NBN Good Stuff? I would say tag n bag, but SIFR would only be used against super high strength (and thus cost) ice in that case, so good luck having enough Corp money. E: NetRunner: An Eternity Of SIFRing. CodfishCartographer fucked around with this message at 15:58 on Jan 3, 2017 |
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Jan 3, 2017 15:55
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Good luck killing a runner who has [tutorable] Aaron Marron out, by the way.
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Afriscipio posted:Apparently he's not working at FFG anymore, but that's all from Reddit, so take it with a grain of salt. Looks like this is true. https://fusionhaa.wordpress.com/2017/01/03/lead-designer-damon-stone-updates-facebook-page/ At this point I think I am just going to sell off my Netrunner stuff and wait to see how Legend of the Five Rings looks like in a few months.
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CodfishCartographer posted:Can any French goons confirm it is, in fact, reduce hand size by one and not to one? Not French, but somewhat Francophone. Yes, réduire de is "reduce by", "reduce to" is réduire à.
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Jan 3, 2017 16:46
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With the lead designer gone I think now might be time for FF to start planning a total reset like they did with GoT and get some new people that know what they are doing (not saying the old guy didn't but it seems like they are adrift without a lead right now) but I'm not sure how well that would go over.
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Tevery Best posted:Not French, but somewhat Francophone. Yes, réduire de is "reduce by", "reduce to" is réduire à. Any chance the translator hosed up? 
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Radish posted:With the lead designer gone I think now might be time for FF to start planning a total reset like they did with GoT and get some new people that know what they are doing (not saying the old guy didn't but it seems like they are adrift without a lead right now) but I'm not sure how well that would go over. LordNat posted:At this point I think I am just going to sell off my Netrunner stuff and wait to see how Legend of the Five Rings looks like in a few months. I'm not sure I'd have the confidence in them pulling a reset 2nd Edition, and even though the bar was set exceedingly low by AEG I'm not willing to bet on L5R. I really can't overstate how bummed I am, as I just started working to catch up my collection after taking a break for a while. The current cycle/red sands/the legacy campaign expansion had really renewed my interest but that card just kind of sums up a lot of issues with design they've had over the years crystalized into a single form.
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AgentF posted:Any chance the translator hosed up? The EN->FR translator? There's always some chance, but I somehow doubt people would miss something so important in a big game for a big company. That would easily be one of the largest fuckups I've ever seen in gaming translation.
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I think it's probably worth waiting and seeing before selling your entire collection. There'll be a new MWL soon, and we haven't seen the Corp cards in the pack yet. Maybe hardware destruction will be a thing, or maybe there'll be ways to prevent ICE from being destroyed or something. The card may also look a little better once Liberated rotates out and Anarchs have slightly more money problems than they do right now. I agree it's not a good card, but Rumour Mill is also a terrible card from a design perspective and that hasn't blown the meta apart as badly as some people (myself included) feared it might.
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Tevery Best posted:The EN->FR translator? There's always some chance, but I somehow doubt people would miss something so important in a big game for a big company. That would easily be one of the largest fuckups I've ever seen in gaming translation.  Wizards, a company with actual QA, does gently caress up like that from time to time. Here's hopin' 
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Zephro posted:I think it's probably worth waiting and seeing before selling your entire collection. There'll be a new MWL soon, and we haven't seen the Corp cards in the pack yet. Maybe hardware destruction will be a thing, or maybe there'll be ways to prevent ICE from being destroyed or something. The card may also look a little better once Liberated rotates out and Anarchs have slightly more money problems than they do right now. Maybe they’re going the Cube Draft route and just making everything OP, so thus nothing is! Throw in an operation that lets you rez a piece of ice for free, but forces you to trash the top 1-3 cards of R&D. Or an upgrade that lets you make a piece of ice protecting it unbreakable by trashing like 4-6 cards off R&D. Dr. Angela Ziegler posted:
I'm blind, what's the problem with this card? (also your image is broken)
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The thing with SIFR is that it would probably be fine (well, really strong, but not game-breaking) if Yog and Parasite didn't exist. Heck, if this is a prelude to banning Parasite, I'd be pretty happy overall. Also there's some small chance that everything works out fine anyways because card evaluation is super hard.
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CodfishCartographer posted:Maybe they’re going the Cube Draft route and just making everything OP, so thus nothing is! Throw in an operation that lets you rez a piece of ice for free, but forces you to trash the top 1-3 cards of R&D. Or an upgrade that lets you make a piece of ice protecting it unbreakable by trashing like 4-6 cards off R&D. 1 credit Operation: Current ICE cannot be trashed. The Corp's maximum hand size is reduced by 1 Neutral, 0 inf.
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Static Equilibrium posted:The thing with SIFR is that it would probably be fine (well, really strong, but not game-breaking) if Yog and Parasite didn't exist. Heck, if this is a prelude to banning Parasite, I'd be pretty happy overall. Don't forget mimic!
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The issue IMO is that installing (edit: and rezzing) an ice in a server should in general force the runner to pay O(n) resources based on the number of times they want to successfully run that server. Mimic (and, heck, Nexus and even Faust) follow this rule, whereas yog and parasite don't. fomo sacer fucked around with this message at 18:53 on Jan 3, 2017 |
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I wonder who the "higher ups" Damon might have been referring to. Lukas? Nate French? I guess it was a quote from a Run Last Click podcast. I'm also curious who is the lead designer now. If Damon leaving FFG wasn't something that they had some lead time on, they might be in a weird spot. Regarding bonkers cards, this is the last set before rotation, right? Maybe they are going to remove parasite or yog and they just haven't announced it yet, or something. Unrelated to all this drama, I was thinking about building a cube after spending some time away from the game. Seems like the card pool should be big enough now to keep it interesting. Also, I noticed the Terminal Directive preorder sold out last night on CSI, right as I was going to make an order :/
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fozzy fosbourne posted:I wonder who the "higher ups" Damon might have been referring to. Lukas? Nate French? I guess it was a quote from a Run Last Click podcast. I'm also curious who is the lead designer now. If Damon leaving FFG wasn't something that they had some lead time on, they might be in a weird spot. We have the entirety of Red Sand before rotation hits.
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If I want to play netrunner with you dorks but only have experience with the base set will I be poo poo on forever?
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