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Glazier posted:I wish Ellison luck, but I'm out. I changed my voter registration when Pelosi and Schumer were (re)elected and I've joined the Central Florida DSA and am focusing more on local races and building from the base. The Democrats are over, they just don't know it yet. Would you have preferred minority leader Tim Ryan, given your dedication to socialism?
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medicare expansion was very nice but then for some loving reason it was declared unconstitutional to force states to take money??? so half the states decided to cut their noses off to spite their faces??? who the gently caress knows, man.
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pathetic little tramp posted:we interrupt this democratic infighting to salute our 2020 candidate  if nothing else biden was entertaining
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pelosi should never run for anything beyond what she has now but she is the best when it comes to her job, with a track record of protecting things that matter schumer is an unproven little poo poo who is an awful replacement for the One and Only Harry Reid god bless his name but he still has time to show that he can do stuff and he's already seen the direction the wind is blowing
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paranoid randroid posted:medicare expansion was very nice but then for some loving reason it was declared unconstitutional to force states to take money??? so half the states decided to cut their noses off to spite their faces??? who the gently caress knows, man. this was also the other big killer, yea moment that happened dems should have tried to just peace the gently caress out of ACA because it was never going to be received positively after that.
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zegermans posted:Would you have preferred minority leader Tim Ryan, given your dedication to socialism? No, I was for either Ellison or Grijalva.
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Glazier posted:No, I was for either Ellison or Grijalva. you do know that pelosi was one of the first member of the congressional progressive caucus that graijalva and sanders founded right furthermore bernie would have won
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has anyone said cuck grassley yet
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lol https://twitter.com/Phil_Mattingly/status/816360745696985088 furthermore bernie would have won
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Zikan posted:lol the definition of a cuck
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Zikan posted:lol Make sure she has to walk through a metal detector at some point
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Glazier posted:I wish Ellison luck, but I'm out. I changed my voter registration when Pelosi and Schumer were (re)elected and I've joined the Central Florida DSA and we're focusing more on local races and building from the base. The Democrats are over, they just don't know it yet. Central Florida DSA? Hook me up nerd
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Zikan posted:you do know that pelosi was one of the first member of the congressional progressive caucus that graijalva and sanders founded right That's as may be but it's undeniable that under her leadership we have lost more and more seats in the House and she continues to believe there is no issue with the fundamentals of the Democratic party. Furthermore, Bernie would have won. Phi230 posted:Central Florida DSA? Hook me up nerd https://www.facebook.com/CentralFLDSA/?hc_ref=SEARCH&fref=nf Gynocentric Regime has issued a correction as of 20:21 on Jan 3, 2017 |
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Error 404 posted:Zac Petkanas Gracias
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zeal posted:in a way i'm grateful for it though, might've otherwise spent years more believing the us had a functioning government or that establishment dems could ever be trusted it also taught a lot of people that just because someone seems progressive on the campaign trail doesn't mean they won't take a flying leap toward the center as soon as they're elected Obama campaigned as someone outside the establishment, and then as soon as he was elected, he dumped all his grassroots campaign staff and replaced them with experienced Third Wayers and diehard Clintonites, subverted his own anti-lobbyist rules by issuing a bunch of waivers, and put Max loving Baucus in charge of healthcare reform Oh Snapple! posted:this was also the other big killer, yea one of the biggest mistakes Dems made is defending every aspect of ACA to the death. they could have pushed for "okay, there are some problems but obstructionist Republicans won't let us fix them", but instead they insisted that it was absolutely perfect in every way
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Zikan posted:lol Why am I supposed to like Bill and Hillary Clinton again?
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Glazier posted:That's as may be but it's undeniable that under her leadership we have lost more and more seats in the House and she continues to believe there is no issue with the fundamentals of the Democratic party. i would argue that with her organization of the defeat of GWB's privatization of social security (when the republicans had both houses of congress and the presidency even!), getting the democratic party to go from 2004 kerry style, "we'll do iraq better" to "gently caress this stupid war" and the gains in the 2006 and 2008 elections her leadership and fundamentals were good, in so much as they can be for a centre-left party. it's only when obama became the leader of the party and pelosi was forced to defer to him that thing went off the rails. as i recall pelosi and reid were constantly telling obama during his various attempts at a "grand bargain" to gently caress off with this stupid poo poo. furthermore bernie would have won
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Oh Snapple! posted:this was also the other big killer, yea They shouldn't have because that'd be political cowardice and it would abandon millions who needed Medicaid
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Maybe they should have tried to single payer
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Main Paineframe posted:one of the biggest mistakes Dems made is defending every aspect of ACA to the death. they could have pushed for "okay, there are some problems but obstructionist Republicans won't let us fix them", but instead they insisted that it was absolutely perfect in every way Problem there is it doesn't matter how you finish the sentence if it opens with "okay, there are some problems," which then gets blasted across the news as "DEMOCRATS ADMIT SERIOUS PROBLEMS WITH OWN SIGNATURE LEGISLATION," and that's if they go easy. mcmagic posted:Why am I supposed to like Bill and Hillary Clinton again? I can't think of any reason anymore, to be honest.
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dems were perfectly happy with the problems in the ACA because they are horrible anti-worker parasites on our country
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frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:Maybe they should have tried to single payer They couldn't even get stealth single payer public option through so good luck
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anything less than pure communism is like being in bed with a GOBLIN
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logikv9 posted:anything less than pure communism is like being in bed with a GOBLIN only a monster votes for a goblin! look inside urselves!
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Are we sure goblins aren't communists themselves? What are goblin politics?
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big time goblin tankie here
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more anti-goblin protectionism
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goblins are known globalists, why do you think alex jones hates them
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We should build a wall to keep out the orcs and goblins. Only for real, because they're trying to kill us.
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mcmagic posted:Why am I supposed to like Bill and Hillary Clinton again? tbf giant douche is slightly more appealing than nazi turd sandwich
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I think we've seen enough at this point to know goblin politics Just Don't Work
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"Goblin" is the codename of a project which a company I used to work at wasted a shitload of money on before canceling it because it was going nowhere. Then they laid a bunch of people off. None of those people were the idiot executives who wasted all the money in the first place. So yeah goblins can and do take people's jobs, I've seen it happen 
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jarofpiss posted:dems were perfectly happy with the problems in the ACA because they are horrible anti-worker parasites on our country The biggest "secret" about neoliberals and neocons is that they both worship privatization but neocons have more balls about admitting it
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you think goblin economics are bad just get a load of goblin healthcare!
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