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namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

John Berger died yesterday which sucks because he was good and wrote stuff like this.

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Hilario Baldness
Feb 10, 2005

:buddy:



Grimey Drawer
Got a signed copy of Occupy the Economy by Richard Wolff. Prett-ay, prett-ay, good.

Yossarian-22
Oct 26, 2014

I'm pretty sure Richard Wolff, Larry David, and Bernie are all the same person tbh

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

zen death robot posted:

I can't smell posts thankfully

MizPiz
May 29, 2013

by Athanatos

I kind of want to see him host an episode of Dirty Jobs. Mike Rowe can still be there, might make it more fun.

rudatron
May 31, 2011

by Fluffdaddy
Mike Rowe: We're here with a sewer inspector, from Canada, named Baloogan

Baloogan: Actually it's sir cucklord Baloogan the 1st, protector of the pipes, the greatest CMANO munchkin of his name

Zizek: I lovezh the ideology here, American Imperialistic Hegemony is maintained by a drunk rural canuck with a Donald Trump obsession, really it's the only way it all makes sense, you know

Woof Blitzer
Dec 29, 2012

[-]

Already I am eating out of the trash can all of the time

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012
i like reading things in his voice. same sort of thing with werner herzog.

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

“Let the dog gently caress your mother.” He replied: “That already happened 15 years ago. That’s how I was born.”

SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012



So what do you guys feel when you realize that there's literally no way that the power structure of the USA will change drastically until a huge portion of the population can no longer afford food?

Plus you guys should read "Building the Commune: Radical Democracy in Venezuela"

It's a pretty good read so far, but I'm only 10% in

rudatron
May 31, 2011

by Fluffdaddy
You are very wrong my friend, the power stricture is already changing and no one is starving yet.

Not 'for the better', though, but it disproves your idea that change is impossible. If anything, your myopic pessimism is the greatest hurdle for you, personally, improving the situation.

Morzhovyye
Mar 2, 2013

In what ways is the power structure already changing?

SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012



I am also curious.

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
I guess it's changing in the way sand and old sea shells change into sedimentary rock

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

There used to be a formal separation between the state and capital, and now there won't be. A billionaires' clique has direct control over the government. We're no different from Russia or Ukraine.

jarofpiss
May 16, 2009

finally full communism!

platzapS
Aug 4, 2007

gently caress yes got my copy of "Democrats: A Critical History" today.

I accidentally ordered an extra copy. Can I give it to a library? Do they just take free books?

platzapS
Aug 4, 2007

Still in the mail: Rabinowitch's The Bolsheviks Come to Power

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

Do you think this is funny?

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

There used to be a formal separation between the state and capital, and now there won't be. A billionaires' clique has direct control over the government. We're no different from Russia or Ukraine.

The cult of the businessman is strong enough to support this, too. I keep hearing that some of Trump's supporters basically think like this: "Trump is a businessman. It's completely unreasonable to expect him to divest his interests, and not actively use the White House for personal profit."

So much for "crony capitalism," huh?

rudatron
May 31, 2011

by Fluffdaddy

Odobenidae posted:

In what ways is the power structure already changing?
You're joking, right? Existing liberal institutions are crumbling apart, facing a crisis of legitimacy, and they're being replaced with direct, reactionary control. How is that not a change in the power structure? Disagree with Trump all you want, his tactics worked, he didn't wait for some transformative revolution (read: the mystical event that is preordained and that absolves me from any obligation to do anything) to act, nor did his supporters.

The world does not operate on fate, it operates on cause and effect. If you want an effect, you must be either be or be-part-of the cause.

Hell, turn what SSJ said around - you think that if people were starving right now, that we'd get full communism? Nope. When people face a crisis, they reach for solutions already at hand, and 'socialism' is not at hand.

Sorry if this comes off as aggressive, it's not intended to be, but the sentiment SSj expressed is something that I think is toxic, so it triggered me a little.

jarofpiss
May 16, 2009

the inherent contradictions in capitalism are self reinforcing and Marx was a naive fool!

rudatron
May 31, 2011

by Fluffdaddy
i didn't say that!

Aeolius
Jul 16, 2003

Simon Templeman Fanclub

rudatron posted:

The world does not operate on fate, it operates on cause and effect.

Only registered members can see post attachments!

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012

platzapS posted:

gently caress yes got my copy of "Democrats: A Critical History" today.

I accidentally ordered an extra copy. Can I give it to a library? Do they just take free books?

Yes they will take donated books.

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

rudatron posted:

he didn't wait for some transformative revolution (read: the mystical event that is preordained and that absolves me from any obligation to do anything) to act

gently caress you

Karl Barks
Jan 21, 1981

suffice to say, the power structure is changing tho

SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012



Why do yoy assume that I'm not doing anything and just waiting for the revolution Lmao.

rudatron
May 31, 2011

by Fluffdaddy
i get triggered by cynical pessimism, okay? that's my flaw
i'm detecting a lot of 'negative energy' here

Karl Barks
Jan 21, 1981

hey.... guys..... cmon

Spime Wrangler
Feb 23, 2003

Because we can.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJqfVPMYGvA

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

i'm not gonna let someone engage in wholesale dismissal of the good work my friends are doing and have been doing long before this hell election season started

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

people i know personally have been harassed and targeted by the cops, have been the subjects of smear campaigns, lost their jobs and had to find whatever work they could, because of the beliefs they hold and the things they do every day in service of those beliefs. sorry but we all have our sore spots

rudatron
May 31, 2011

by Fluffdaddy
but they're exactly the people i'm not referring to!

like you must've seen it too, right, there's this tendency that exists out there to see 'the revolution' as event in and of itself rather than the culmination of a process, and that goes hand in hand with this kind of cynicism i saw, or thought i saw, ssj express, 'oh it'll never get better, oh people have it too good etc etc.' - no, i think that's self-serving bullshit

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

sure that exists but it's really bad marxism and any commie worth their salt will take the time to correct it when they see it

Fiction
Apr 28, 2011
That's...what he was doing.

G.C. Furr III
Mar 30, 2016



the imperialist USAs co-opted amerikan settler proletariat supping on the teat of super-profits stolen from the periphery has no real interest in overthrowing capitalism in the current conditions, hope it gets nuked. laters

jarofpiss
May 16, 2009

G.C. Furr III posted:

the imperialist USAs co-opted amerikan settler proletariat supping on the teat of super-profits stolen from the periphery has no real interest in overthrowing capitalism in the current conditions, hope it gets nuked. laters

And yet if you give a single poo poo about any foreign people's government ever being able to exist unmolested you'd better hope a class identity begins to develop here

G.C. Furr III
Mar 30, 2016



and yet how can a proletarian class identity develop amoung a settler garrison that is fundimentally deproletarianized through being the beneficiary of imperialism?

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

but since we are small we may-
uh, we may be the losers

G.C. Furr III posted:

and yet how can a proletarian class identity develop amoung a settler garrison that is fundimentally deproletarianized through being the beneficiary of imperialism?

Very carefully

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Agean90
Jun 28, 2008


u realize that using proletariat instead of working class is why everyone makes fun of marxists right?

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