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Caufman posted:Bone chilling. I don't know Reno or his work, but why is a religious conservative ever prepared to drop the teachings of Jesus? The point of these conservative thinkers is to convince the Christian Right that they're locked in a forever war against the forces of liberalism, because without a constant external threat the whole coalition gets mired in in-fighting. e: First Things was always pretty solidly in bed with the neoconservatives, though, so...it's a scary sign when the supposedly intellectual wing of the Christian Right is now openly toying with the idea of ethno-nationalism. The Phlegmatist fucked around with this message at 16:13 on Jan 2, 2017 |
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Josef bugman posted:How. The man is a walking monument of blasphemy. Basically what bel_canto and phlegmatist said- they've gotten so partisan that they have to look past the Republican nominee's fuckups because what are you going to do, vote democrat?
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Bel_Canto posted:Because he's a member of the "intellectual" branch of the American right who spends his time palling around with right-wing Evangelicals, and he caught the virus from them and now thinks he can reason his way out of the commands of Christ and the teaching of the Church. He's more loyal to his political allies than to the Catholic Church. Unfortunately, he's not alone: this is also true of many of our bishops, who avoid taking distinctively Catholic public positions because it would upset the Mammon-worshipping heretics with whom they forged a political alliance in the 70s. The Phlegmatist posted:The point of these conservative thinkers is to convince the Christian Right that they're locked in a forever war against the forces of liberalism, because without a constant external threat the whole coalition gets mired in in-fighting. Pure tragedy. It profits a man nothing to give his soul for the whole world, but for
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Listen to Chapo for long enough and you won't have anyone to root for ('cept Bernie). Then again, hating libs is the second thing you learn in socialism. Unfortunatelly, left is functionally dead around here while the Church is behind the conservatives. The idiots that we elected this November (Peasant and Green party, leans populist-regressive) are gunning to ban test tube babies (well, the fertilization thing, not babbies themselves), so the Church might like that.
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Then of course you have Mike Pence referring to himself as an "evangelical Catholic" because words don't have meanings anymore; Marco Rubio is both Catholic AND Southern Baptist because sure that's a thing you can do, why not? It's all very transparent now that the Christian Right is being used by the political class in a way that wasn't visible before Trump got elected. At least in theory it should be easy enough to tell people that ethno-nationalism is against the Gospel message, so that gives the left a pretty good platform to work from.
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The Phlegmatist posted:Then of course you have Mike Pence referring to himself as an "evangelical Catholic" because words don't have meanings anymore; Marco Rubio is both Catholic AND Southern Baptist because sure that's a thing you can do, why not? Baptist here, it absolutely was and has been for years. See also Russia.
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StashAugustine posted:The conservative Catholic press has been incredibly disappointing this election- there's been a fair amount of pushback on Trump from secular establishment places like NR and it's always funny to watch some of their writers going through the 'are we the baddies' sketch over the course of the past two years, but the Catholic press has if anything doubled down on Trump. the mormons, however, have kept it real.
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The Phlegmatist posted:e: First Things was always pretty solidly in bed with the neoconservatives, though, so...it's a scary sign when the supposedly intellectual wing of the Christian Right is now openly toying with the idea of ethno-nationalism. HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 18:40 on Jan 2, 2017 |
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HEY GAL posted:the mormons, however, have kept it real. It's going to be very scary if they start getting persecuted for this.
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Josef bugman posted:It's going to be very scary if they start getting persecuted for this. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...sing-for-trump/
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HEY GAL posted:it's interesting--they say that the only way you know who's truly got stones is to see how they hold up under pressure, not in good times. It's surprised me, who's rolled over and who's been worthy of respect. The entirety of D&D, for instance, went from supporting Clinton to howling about populism the instant she lost. Some people have thoughts, some just want to be on the side that looks cool. This woman owns though: I'll have you know that I only support whoever wants to kill the nobility and have been consistent about that since the iron age <3
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HEY GAL posted:it's interesting--they say that the only way you know who's truly got stones is to see how they hold up under pressure, not in good times. It's surprised me, who's rolled over and who's been worthy of respect. The entirety of D&D, for instance, went from supporting Clinton to howling about populism the instant she lost. Some people have thoughts, some just want to be on the side that looks cool. This woman owns though: It helps if you look at D&D long term. A lot of people around there that stayed were Clinton Supporters from convenience. A lot more would probably have a bunch of negatives about her as soon as she got it but she wasn't Trump. Now people have Trump.
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Also, about American politics in general, if possible.
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Paladinus posted:Also, about American politics in general, if possible. kinda hard to ignore that, considering how entrenched catholic and protestant religious leaders are in the discourse. at least in america no matter how hard francis tries the american bishops will never stop talking about abortions and gay people
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HEY GAL posted:the mormons, however, have kept it real. Lol no they haven't. 61% went for trump vs. 25% for Clinton. The 3rd party candidates they went for were still republican (or near-republican) hangmen like Gary Johnson.
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Mo Tzu posted:kinda hard to ignore that, considering how entrenched catholic and protestant religious leaders are in the discourse. at least in america And going by polls, the actual American Catholics (not their priests) generally support LGBT rights and abortion access. Then again, the entanglement of politics and religion in the US is the root of the reason why I consider myself a Baptist but not a Southern Baptist these days, and I'm not the only person I know who shares the sentiment. It's heartbreaking to see a religion and organization that should be synonymous with compassion, love, and mercy instead be a relentless font of bigotry, hatred, and greed.
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Cythereal posted:And going by polls, the actual American Catholics (not their priests) generally support LGBT rights and abortion access. However you feel about the strange interrelationships between clergy and US politics we have good news!
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syscall girl posted:However you feel about the strange interrelationships between clergy and US politics we have good news! Washington DC just got hit by an atomic bomb?
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Cythereal posted:Washington DC just got hit by an atomic bomb? I hate to react to a joke post riffing off my little joke but no, it has not. Probs won't. Very little would be solved and these things have a way of err getting out of control Well, you know
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syscall girl posted:I hate to react to a joke post riffing off my little joke but no, it has not. Yeah. It was a "joke" from an American Christian deeply embittered by the American political system, its entanglement with religion, and how extreme the right wing of both have gotten. It's a funny thing, looking at history. Historically, groups we'd call comparable to our far right have withered and died in times of peace, and grown strong in times of war and upheaval. "You provide the pictures and I'll provide the war" has never been such a terrifyingly prescient statement.
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But we have a president who didn't do any lip service to a televangelist! Also we had a perfectly fine president who put his minister front and center even though he said mean things about white people. So, so far we're *hehe* in the black. If you ignore all the presidents from before we were born Including the Catholic one who got his brains blown about.
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Cythereal posted:Yeah. It was a "joke" from an American Christian deeply embittered by the American political system, its entanglement with religion, and how extreme the right wing of both have gotten. The Liveleaks of ISIS/ISIL made me scared of a bunch of dudes in jumped up Toyotas because they'd just give lesser Muslims a shovel and point a gun at their head and say "start digging" "If you don't dig your own graves you get the knife" I can not get that image out of my head. I don't understand it but all of the Muslims I know are not insane murderers. Guess I'm just lucky that way.
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syscall girl posted:I don't understand it but all of the Muslims I know are not insane murderers. Guess I'm just lucky that way. Well, every muslim I know is an insane murderer.  I don't know any. e: Oh wait, the local ethnic pizzeria guy is probably at least culturally muslim. And he bakes really good pizzas so he can't be bad. I was wrong.
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Valiantman posted:Well, every muslim I know is an insane murderer. Does he put pineapple on pizza? This is important.
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Paladinus posted:Does he put pineapple on pizza? This is important. I am an unbeliever and also think that pineapple on pizza is good. What no christianailures. On a semi-serious note, does anyone have a particular edition of the bible that they like, I am thinking about getting one to have a read of now that christmas is over.
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Josef bugman posted:I am an unbeliever and also think that pineapple on pizza is good. What no christianailures. new revised standard version is what i used for scholarly work. i hear the jerusalem bible isn't bad either
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Josef bugman posted:I am an unbeliever and also think that pineapple on pizza is good. What no christianailures. New King James is my go to
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Paladinus posted:Does he put pineapple on pizza? This is important. out of all the things to say about someone you picked the most divisize
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Maybe it's dumb to say but the biblehub.com has lots of options for those times you want to read about the issue with large quadripeds It's as portable as your phone but if the great beast arises and he's DJTrump you could probably be put on a watchlist for xian persecution. Cripes i need to stop political posting about how bad i think he is
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Josef bugman posted:I am an unbeliever and also think that pineapple on pizza is good. What no christianailures. Well, I'd recommend a study Bible so you can figure out what's going on, because you miss out on a lot without commentary. The HarperCollins Study Bible and the New Oxford Annotated Bible are both NRSV and are what you'd use in an academic setting; they both use the historical-critical method for the commentary. The ESV Study Bible uses...I don't know, I guess you'd call it apologetic commentary? It's meant mainly for evangelicals. Take the historical dating of the Gospel of Mark for an example of the difference. Jesus speaks of the future destruction of the temple in Jerusalem, which we know happened in AD 70. Academic Biblical critics use this information to date Mark to AD 67 at the very earliest, when it became clear Jerusalem was going to be absolutely annihilated by Titus. You'd find that historical information in the HCSB or NOAB, since in academic circles you can't assume that Jesus was actually speaking prophetically here. The ESV Study Bible, on the other hand, dates Mark to around AD 55 because hey of course yeah Jesus can be a prophet he's God. While I know that wouldn't really be important to you, per se, if you're reading the Bible to find out what Christians would actually hear in church then you'd be better off with the ESV Study Bible. Historical-critical commentary tends to be looked at with skepticism even in denominations that allow it and conservative denominations reject it entirely. If you don't care for the study aids then the ESV is a pretty good choice regardless, and you can find them pretty cheap. It's a nice mix of readability and modern scholarship.
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The Phlegmatist posted:
I have a HarperCollins Study Bible and I find it really useful. The scholarly notes are great and I quite like the NRSV as a translation. Course at school we used the Jerusalem Bible, with parts translated by Tolkien. I've always been fond of it because I prefer the tetragrammaton preserved or rendered 'Yahweh' as opposed to 'The LORD'. Just a personal thing.
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Everett Fox translated the Torah that's highly recommended. Robert Alter has translations of prophets and stuff but I don't know if they are good, worth checking out. Anyone have opinions in them? I like the Common English Bible because profs from seminary were a part of the translating team, buy I'd always go to the NRSV and can also vouch for the Harper and Oxford study bibles.
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i don't know exactly how anime characters relate to christianity but i know animes play a factor in it the crucifixion in anime bit of wikipedia is probably important historically
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JcDent posted:What the This one has the Nihil Obstat and Imprimatur. It's also very good.
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Valiantman posted:Well, every muslim I know is an insane murderer. A few branches of my family back in old country are converts to Islam. That's not unexpected, since Indonesia has the world's largest Muslim population, but we Chinese Indonesians tend to be Christians. Though we are all peace-loving and in contact, I'm sensitive to the friction caused by being a family with divided spiritual practices. Personally I find more closeness with my observant Muslim uncle than I do with my materialist, nominally-Christian uncle, but my mother is scandalized that her brother would convert to Islam. The Chinese and Christian governor of Jakarta is also currently on trial for trumped up blasphemy charges. These things along with the broader current events keep interfaith relations and frictions deep in my prayers and contemplation.
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syscall girl posted:i don't know exactly how anime characters relate to christianity but i know animes play a factor in it all i know is trigun guy is catholic
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syscall girl posted:i don't know exactly how anime characters relate to christianity but i know animes play a factor in it Japanese people don't really understand Christianity but think the symbolism is cool For Naruto Christian over there, middle school is a hell of a drug
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