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If you were a kid and read about Jeffrey Dahmer's final seconds you might be like welp he got justice through being thrown heavily on a concrete floor. If you read about Gacy's final times you'd be like, oh heck what happened to that last poor kid that guards allowed? He was fighting the system to not die but also being allowed access to a teenage boy because he apparently ran the place. I guess I'd just say make sure they're heavily guarded by kind and serious police. Don't beat them, don't let them get raped just make sure they get square meals and no opportunity to go elsewhere.
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If you read about the victims of the criminal justice system who lived through decades of unjust inprisonment oh well.
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syscall girl posted:I think I have a better argument. nah I get this and I'm against it normally like I said but I do think there's a very small segment of cases where the perpetrator doesn't deserve the resources and I do think that even in those cases they deserve their rights like the appeals process etc etc
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page 404: justice not found
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Roof shouldn't be executed for murder, he should be executed for being a fascist.
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Jan 4, 2017 01:59
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CaptainSarcastic posted:I'm old enough that I remember when public buildings still had fallout shelter signs on them, and had a friendly janitor give my friends and me a tour of the largely forgotten civil defense bunker under my high school. I grew up in East Germany and we did nuke drills into the school's basement up until the late 80's. It wasn't very often, but still regularly.
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im tempted to say force roof to go to a service at the church he shot up every sunday but that would probably be super hard on the congregation.
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Jan 4, 2017 02:11
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CaptainSarcastic posted:Not to derail this thrilling tangent about the 2nd amendment, but why does Baloogan's rap sheet make it appear he has been giving himself probations for a while now? He's a drunk moron
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no one else will probate me :/ (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Baloogan posted:no one else will probate me :/ I appreciate your dedication. :salute:
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Baloogan posted:no one else will probate me :/ turn me into an ik and ill probate you
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TotalLossBrain posted:I grew up in East Germany and we did nuke drills into the school's basement up until the late 80's. It wasn't very often, but still regularly. I feel bad for you guys only the Russians were gonna nuke me y'all were gonna catch all the nukes
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Jan 4, 2017 03:06
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though I live near one of the longest runways in the US so the nukes I was gonna catch were the best and brightest Ivan had to offer
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VikingSkull posted:I feel bad for you guys only the Russians were gonna nuke me It's better that way. You don't want to just be winged by a nuke, where you're in the zone that will survive the initial blast but die within a few weeks of agonizing radiation poisoning as your family dies all around you. 
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Jan 4, 2017 03:13
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yeah I'm gonna go out on my front porch and toast it like Leo
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VikingSkull posted:though I live near one of the longest runways in the US so the nukes I was gonna catch were the best and brightest Ivan had to offer Yeah, my town sits right on Interstate 5 and has a significant railyard for West coast train traffic - we were gonna get a few here, too.
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VikingSkull posted:yeah I'm gonna go out on my front porch and toast it like Leo I will prefer to do it like Rogue One with a nice brave person beside me, fulfilled in our brave stupid mission to fakely do idk but we believed in it, watching a sunrise that isn't a sunrise over a nice ocean that also isn't there because it's CGI but it will be a nice sunrise sunset and make us both dead before we know what hits us
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this is a fun video to watch before you go to bed oh hey is that a shooting sta-aaaAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH MY EYES *catches fire, disintegrates in the blastwave*
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Do the youngsters today spend much time contemplating the best way to die in a nuclear war? Or is that just a cold war kids thing?
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Probably just a Cold War kids thing. I was born right when Reagan took office and was getting ready for high school when Clinton was coming in, so the failed Russian coup was one of the first things, along with Desert Storm, that I saw happen live and basically understood. 89-92 or so was pretty terrifying because the Warsaw Pact collapsed, China almost (well not really) imploded and then the news was talking about how we were gonna fight the 4th largest army and they had chemical weapons and all that. It's probably about the time I got interested in military history but at least we had a sense of humor then 
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this is a weird derail, not that I mind, but there's a ton of fun stuff in the Airpower/Cold War thread in TFR if anyone is interested. don't be scared TFR is generally chill and that thread is filled with knowledgeable people that will answer any questions you might have http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3373768
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Facebook Aunt posted:Do the youngsters today spend much time contemplating the best way to die in a nuclear war? Or is that just a cold war kids thing? Iunno many boomers but contemplating any way to die fast and look cool doing it is timeless.
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syscall girl posted:I guess I'd just say make sure they're heavily guarded by kind and serious police. Don't beat them, don't let them get raped just make sure they get square meals and no opportunity to go elsewhere. I'm not really an advocate for psychological torture though.
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:I'm not really an advocate for psychological torture though. It kind of is though but if you look at punishment to be somehow satisfying, welp you sure showed them. I just find it a little off-putting when the execution goes through. The semi-casual dismissal of another person's entire existence with no way to oops our mistake, all better sorry got the wrong guy uh *puts hands in pockets and whistles* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zKCIf-vfbc I'd really advocate for a very quick very messy end to a properly convicted monster if the state keeps doing that sort of thing that left everyone who saw it with a bitter taste, rather than a clean(ish) death in a sterile room. Do that Ned Stark poo poo where he who makes the sentence swings the sword
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I mean that was my point, though, Roof is a monster and admits it, he's 100% legally sane and the government doesn't have the wrong guy in his case, I'm in favor of it
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VikingSkull posted:nah I get this and I'm against it normally like I said but I do think there's a very small segment of cases where the perpetrator doesn't deserve the resources this line of thinking is exactly why the death penalty is bad. "I oppose X, except in particular cases that trigger an emotional reaction in me" is basically exactly how bad justice happens
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Main Paineframe posted:this line of thinking is exactly why the death penalty is bad. "I oppose X, except in particular cases that trigger an emotional reaction in me" is basically exactly how bad justice happens it's not an emotional thing for me though, I think prison would be better suited for rehabilitation rather than punishment but some people are beyond rehabilitation that being said, I totally understand why people are against it
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TotalLossBrain posted:Have the position of executioner be randomly assigned to a citizen for each go, just like jury duty. Service should guarantee citizenship.
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VikingSkull posted:it's not an emotional thing for me though, I think prison would be better suited for rehabilitation rather than punishment but some people are beyond rehabilitation imo no one is really beyond rehabilitation, and it's fundamentally wrong to say we can rule it out in advance like that that's just something we tell ourselves because it's easier to say that some people are just inherently and irreparably bad than to admit that a sane and lucid person can do these sorts of things
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I volunteer as tribute. I'm a terrible, hosed up person already. Have me throw the switch.
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if you have to execute people make it public and mandatory and use a guillotine i guess but you don't see much and the thumbnail isn't ithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiJpw8isyCg
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If I wanted to reform the justice system, rehabilitative rather punitive would be the goal. Also no more then 10 year sentences. Anything longer and I say just do the death penalty and be done with it.
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After years of being somewhat on the fence about capital punishment I came to the conclusion that it is not healthy for American culture and the moratorium from the 1970s should have been permanent. One of the few other First World countries that has the death penalty and it makes some sort of societal sense is Japan.
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they don't tell anyone when prisoners are being executed in japan until the day it happens
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do they at least give the condemned the option of seppuku?
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VikingSkull posted:it's not an emotional thing for me though, I think prison would be better suited for rehabilitation rather than punishment but some people are beyond rehabilitation But exactly what benefit do we get out of killing them? If rehabilitation is useless, why do we have to shift immediately to death? Why is the option to simply leave them in prison until they die not an option on the table?
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chitoryu12 posted:But exactly what benefit do we get out of killing them? If rehabilitation is useless, why do we have to shift immediately to death? Why is the option to simply leave them in prison until they die not an option on the table? because it costs money and feeds the privatized prison system
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I say because involuntary imprisonment for life is cruel for sentient beings. What purpose does it serve?
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