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Yami Fenrir posted:Oh, it wasn't for a lack of trying. I NEVER found a single MR+ item. I lacked range, yes, but I never got a single MR+ item. I had, however, a randart +7 handaxe giving me rP+, a randart leather armor giving me rF+, a chainmail giving me rC+ ... and 3 rings, one for each of those again. :shepicide. I can almost guarantee that the +7 handaxe wasn't your best possible weapon. The usual rule of thumb is that +2 slaying is worth around 1 point of base damage. A handaxe has 7 base damage, which means a +7 handaxe does less damage than even a +0 war axe, which has 11 base damage (and I can almost guarantee you've found a war axe or better by shoals). I think, though I'm not 100% sure, that this gets more extreme at high strength, skills, or when the weapons are branded (with vorpal/ice/fire), because those are multipliers on base damage, and the slaying bonus is added afterwards. I could be wrong on that though, the crawl damage formula is completely impenetrable.
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cheetah7071 posted:I can almost guarantee that the +7 handaxe wasn't your best possible weapon. Oh, yes, I am aware. I just listed it as part of my resistances. I upgraded to a +4 great mace of distortion as I mentioned earlier. I wasn't aware that the +7 wasn't 1:1 though, thanks!
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cheetah7071 posted:Allow purple meat to provide satiation. Not really sure why it doesn't. You want to only be able to eat the purple a maximum of twice at any time before it says "stop you're too full"?
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I would literally fall in love with any dev that adds a line to weapon item boxes along the lines of "with your current skill levels, this weapon will deal approximately N damage [plus M fire/ice/electric damage] per hit, reduced by enemy armor"
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cheetah7071 posted:I can almost guarantee that the +7 handaxe wasn't your best possible weapon. As I understand it, base damage is twice as good (on average) as slaying when you have 27 in both your weapon skill and fighting. So around midgame, if you have 16 weapon skill and 11 fighting (for example) it would be about 1.5 times as good as slaying, again on average.
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Well you kinda have to talk about delay then also, slaying on a faster thing is worth more. At low skill, a fast weapon with a bunch of slaying is going to be stronger than a higher base damage but really slow weapon. For an extreme example, the dark maul (ehehehe) is not the be-all, end-all mace.
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Do slime creatures lose effects on them when they combine? Just had a pair that I'd breathed sticky flame on combine and the resulting creature wasn't on fire.
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Not amazing. You need 270 HP to get it to its full enchantment level and as soon as you go below that it starts falling off in damage rapidly. So the number of characters that can use it to its full potential is very limited. Even at +27 though is not much better than an upgraded triple sword since it lacks a damage brand. Not necessarily useless, but if you want to use it you're gonna need to be a really bulky character and have a back up weapon for when your HP starts to drop.
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The sword of power is one of those unfortunate fixedarts that is outclassed by a regular +9 branded good weapon but also isn't that good if you find it early. A small number of fixedart weapons are top tier choices, a lot of them get outmatched by the +9 good brand but are a fantastic find early on (like doom knight), and some are like the sword of power or finisher where they are just not very good. (Maybe finisher is good if you found it on d5? +5 and speed probably makes it better than a regular +0 glaive even with scythe stats but I never use polearms so idk)
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I don't really get the point of bad fixedarts. I mean I understand that it would be broken and poor game design for them to be universally good no-brainers, but some of them just seem like traps for gimping people who don't know better. Is that the point?
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Most of the bad fixedarts have been removed. Most of them remaining ones are at worst mediocre and usually still really good if you find one early on.
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Fitzy Fitz posted:I don't really get the point of bad fixedarts. I mean I understand that it would be broken and poor game design for them to be universally good no-brainers, but some of them just seem like traps for gimping people who don't know better. Is that the point? no, they're just overlooked. note also that finisher is good, and not bad.
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The obsidian axe and shield of the gong will never not be fun for a very brief time.
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Scythe of curses is really good just because of how many friendly reapers it shoots out. (if you find it early)
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redneck nazgul posted:The obsidian axe and shield of the gong will never not be fun for a very brief time. Beating the game with the obsidian axe while following Yredemnul was pretty drat fun. You get an army of undead and demons.
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PleasingFungus posted:no, they're just overlooked. I volunteer to fix all bad fixedarts and also create lots of new good ones.
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I've got this idea for a fixedart called the Crown of Eternal Torment.
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Fitzy Fitz posted:I volunteer to fix all bad fixedarts and also create lots of new good ones. Patches welcome!
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Internet Kraken posted:I've got this idea for a fixedart called the Crown of Eternal Torment. Done. Will implement tomorrow.
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Fitzy Fitz posted:I volunteer to fix all bad fixedarts and also create lots of new good ones. Internet Kraken posted:I've got this idea for a fixedart called the Crown of Eternal Torment.
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Call it the Crown of Torment Eternal, mind you, otherwise the other devs will catch on.  Sword of Power might be alright if it had a min enchantment or differently scaled so that having half HP (a la torment) isn't generally an automatic halving of the enchantment.
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Scale its damage with HP missing instead of HP. So it still gets up to max when you get 271 hp....and 1 health.
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:Scale its damage with HP missing instead of HP. So it still gets up to max when you get 271 hp....and 1 health. Didn't Augmentation used to do this and it was awful? I've heard the same about sanguine armour but haven't had that yet (too many non-crawl games want playing).
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E Equals MC Hammer posted:I'm still convinced there is some screwy interaction between purple chunks and trolls because I think from maybe 50 chunks across a few games I got like bad or neutral mutations. I was playing TrMo on the Council God trunk and got two types of scales, thicker fur, and +Str in one round of eating purple chunks. I would have had rPoison too, but the last chunk I ate took it away. It was the best mutation roulette I ever had on a character.
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And now we have a new race.Manual posted:Barachians are an amphibious humanoid race, said to be distantly related to the Elves. Spawned in great numbers beneath the southern ice, their Mother-Father sends them forth to destroy and pillage the civilized lands. Barachians are frog guys. They can swim, move at 1.1, but have a Hop active ability that is a semi-controlled blink - you can target a space within 4 (5 at XL 13+) spaces and land within 2 tiles of that. They get +1 Fighting, Long Blades, Stealth, Summonings, Ice Magic and Invocations; -1 Polearms, Slings, Bows, Crossbows, Throwing, Necromancy, and Earth Magic; and 0 everything else. Their base stats aren't very good - same total as a ghoul but more balanced. They have no locked gear slots. Hop seems real good, but they don't seem very powerful outside that. I'm going to have to try one of these, though.
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Those guys sound really fun. Frogs are cool too so good theme for a race. They totally should have an auxillary tongue slap attack though  EDIT: No wait, give them innate apportation so they can grab items from anywhere on the screen with their tongue! 
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Internet Kraken posted:Those guys sound really fun. Frogs are cool too so good theme for a race. They totally should have an auxillary tongue slap attack though I almost won a Frog in experimental, but an OoF gave me teleportitis in the Lungs. They're totally solid, and could at most use good ranged apts to help with the slow. (Though apportion is a sweet mini-buff too)
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logger posted:I was playing TrMo on the Council God trunk and got two types of scales, thicker fur, and +Str in one round of eating purple chunks. I would have had rPoison too, but the last chunk I ate took it away. It was the best mutation roulette I ever had on a character. There was supposed to be a number 6 in that post, 6 bad/neutral out of 50.
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I can live with frogmen as a replacement to high elves, but they badly need a better name than Barachian.
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Obfuscation posted:I can live with frogmen as a replacement to high elves, but they badly need a better name than Barachian. Gowachin!
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Prism posted:And now we have a new race. yessss him name is hopkin green frog
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Obfuscation posted:I can live with frogmen as a replacement to high elves, but they badly need a better name than Barachian. Gero-Geros
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Obfuscation posted:I can live with frogmen as a replacement to high elves, but they badly need a better name than Barachian. Anuran (after the order 'anura') e: no no call them Hopkins e2: brb suiciding my stupid mummy game so I can play a Hopkin Fitzy Fitz fucked around with this message at 02:02 on Jan 6, 2017 |
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Fitzy Fitz posted:Anuran (after the order 'anura') I like Anuran a lot honestly. An.
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me rn:
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I actually just remembered a n idea from one of my pre-alarm hazes had a few days ago. It was for a new alternative branch: The Dreamworld It would show up to hold the last postgame-rune in games where you get Hells but not Pan, if that situation gets implemented. The walls & floor would look like fluffy clouds, and it would be kinda abyss-y in how it changed but there would be lots of Dream Sheep and flying enemies.
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