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fridge corn posted:You don't say I just realised what I put :iamafag: i was more descriptive in my imagination
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Jan 4, 2017 19:01
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Looke posted:I just realised what I put :iamafag: Im sure you were 
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Jan 4, 2017 19:05
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Brainiac Five posted:I think he means that Rogue One had characters die and also characters in space keffiyehs. The same rules apply, though. Filmmakers engage and interpret, they should not be expected to conform this engagement to anecdotal imaginings of the psychology of a child.
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Jan 4, 2017 19:37
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Brainiac Five posted:I think he means that Rogue One had characters die and also characters in space keffiyehs. Tusken Raiders and Ewoks wore space keffiyehs too.
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Jan 4, 2017 20:05
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Wow, the RLM review for this movie is super bad
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Jan 4, 2017 20:09
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exmarx posted:Wow, the RLM review for this movie is super bad RLM's whole schtick is that he hates everything and too many people gobble that poo poo up because they think hating everything is cool. These same people are still one-strapping their backpack.
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Jan 4, 2017 20:12
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Daric posted:RLM's whole schtick is that he hates everything and too many people gobble that poo poo up because they think hating everything is cool. These same people are still one-strapping their backpack. Its going to be interesting to see how RLM handles these next few years because for the first time they have to review Star Wars movies without knowing ahead of time that the entire fanbase already hates them. Coming up with your own opinion and standing by it is a whole different deal, especially with the fandom we're talking about here.
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Jan 4, 2017 20:23
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RLM made their bones on disliking newer Star Wars movies; I doubt they'll have any issue going back to the well for that. Either they'll complain about the movie, or complain about how other people don't dislike them.
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Jan 4, 2017 20:32
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MisterBibs posted:RLM made their bones on disliking newer Star Wars movies; I doubt they'll have any issue going back to the well for that. Either they'll complain about the movie, or complain about how other people don't dislike them. Did they really though? Seems to me that they had the luxury of being able to wait for the fandom to come to a consensus before they put out those reviews. I could be wrong though, that's just my recollection.
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Jan 4, 2017 20:34
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Talking about alterations to the PT, there's a minor bit in AotC they talk about in the commentary- they added some CGI sparking to Jango's backpack after he gets tossed around by the Ronto, "explaining" why he doesn't just jetpack out of Mace's way- you see it ignite and sputter out just as Mace comes to cut his head off.
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Jan 4, 2017 21:25
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Also the added irony of young Boba growing up to make sure his jetpack would always work flawlessly with the slightest touch. It rhymes.
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Jan 4, 2017 21:46
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RLM liked RO. Plinkett reviews have been forced gimmicks since they finished the PT reviews. You know, before RLM existed really Looks like some people are really reliant on the validation given by one review show. And don't watch the main series (half in the bag in this case) Also lol at "no luxury of knowing fanbase attitude" like lol how loving dishonest fo you gotta be. All criticism must be pandering ofc And RLMs review was that RO was well made but unremarkable Phi230 fucked around with this message at 22:05 on Jan 4, 2017 |
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Jan 4, 2017 22:01
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:The medium is the message.
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Jan 4, 2017 22:06
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Phi230 posted:RLM liked RO. Plinkett reviews have been forced gimmicks since they finished the PT reviews. You know, before RLM existed really I just said it will be interesting to see how they react, not that they were purposely pandering necessarily. Plinkett became an internet darling because he had an opinion that happened to align with this gigantic fandom, I wonder how things will go now that he may end up disagreeing with those same people. Edit: Looking back at my post I can see how it was interpreted as accusatory towards RLM but that's not how it was intended. I'm genuinely curious how things will go from this point. I fully expect the fans to come out looking a lot worse than RLM in any scenario. Basebf555 fucked around with this message at 22:19 on Jan 4, 2017 |
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Jan 4, 2017 22:16
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Im most disappointed the shot where Jyn walks on the railing and the TIE fighter flies up to face her got cut. Thinking about it, thats prolly how Jyn and Cassian get back to space at the end, like how the story was before it was changed in reshoots.
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Jan 4, 2017 22:28
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lmao if you think RLM didn't like rogue one for the sake of consistency.
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Jan 4, 2017 23:41
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Basebf555 posted:I just said it will be interesting to see how they react, not that they were purposely pandering necessarily. Plinkett became an internet darling because he had an opinion that happened to align with this gigantic fandom, I wonder how things will go now that he may end up disagreeing with those same people. Considering they've rapidly made two defensive Plinkett videos because they're so sore at people pushing back against their bad RO review, I think you have your answer
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Jan 4, 2017 23:41
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People on the internet are under a continual pressure to generate 'opinions', even in the rudimentary form of a Like or Subscribe. But forming an actual opinion requires actual work. (Note: work is distinct from 'effort' or 'caring' or whatever). You have to go through the process of interpretation. Let's go over the basic plot of TFA, for example: The evil Snoke is for some reason obsessed with killing Luke Skywalker. He has the basic goal is pure technological progress or whatever, but killing Luke is his main concern. To that end he has brainwashed a bunch of children by putting them in robot suits. He then uses his new robot army to convert the ancient planet Ilum, source of the mystical Force-related Kyber Crystals, into a giant factory and secret base for a nuclear-grade laser weapon. That's the wookiepedia backstory, of course. In the actual film, the characters are just dumped into this conflict and told that they've got to go fast. Run really fast in a straight line and avoid traps. Bop the stormtroopers in the head and they will immediately revert to an 'innocent' state of nature. There is CG imagery of greenery and of ancient temples being crushed by Snoke's progress, but the heroes don't really think about the implications. The plight of the stormtroopers is an afterthought. The goal is simply to burn away 'impurity' with cleansing light - humiliating the bad, pompous totalitarian. So yeah, as I was getting to earlier, TFA is absolutely identical, in both plot and narrative, to the original Sonic The Hedgehog series of games: "The evil mad scientist Dr. Eggman is up to his old nasty tricks again. 'Sonic... that annoying, impertinent hedgehog. Thanks to him, my great plans are always laid to waste! Oh, but this time, I'm going to rub him out with the power of science! Ha ha ha ha ha...' South Island is a treasure trove of gems and ancient ruins. They say that it's the island where the mystical Chaos Emeralds lie. The Chaos Emeralds are a super-material that give energy to all living beings. Also, when applied to scientific purposes, they can be used for nuclear and laser based weaponry. However, nobody knows exactly how to get ahold of these emeralds. At the same time, though, they do say that the reason why South Island is always moving is because the emeralds are somewhere inside the island's hazy depths. One day, crisis visited upon the island. And who showed up with it but Dr. Eggman and his cronies. 'I'll find those emeralds even if I have to dig up the entire island to do it!' Dr. Eggman set up a fort in one corner of the island, and went about carrying out his plan. 'Eggman, you still haven't had enough?' Sonic hurried as soon as he heard the news. Dr. Eggman never seemed to leave him alone, even though Sonic had beaten him every time so far. It sounded like Dr. Eggman considered Sonic his sworn enemy, but he was never any match for Sonic. However, this time something is amiss. 'Have you seen it, Sonic? This time is going to be different! Because this time, I've turned all the animals on the island into robots!' 'E, Everybody!?' ''All of them go about in accordance to my orders. In other words, Sonic, everyone on the island is your enemy! Gya- Ha ha ha ha ha ha ^cough^ ^ack^ ^ahem^. This time, the world really will be all mine!' This is terrible! Hurry! Sonic the Hedgehog - everyone is waiting for your help!" -Sonic The Hedgehog instruction manual, 1991 The comparison of TFA to Sonic is obviously not limited to that aforementioned weird adult presexuality; these works share an ideology. One of Sonic's subgoals is to 'free' the industrious worker drones from their tools and into nature. It's just taken as a given that they don't want to have cool mech suits equipped with drills and saws. The animals are tossed naked into the virtual paradise of polygonal trees and grid-textured dirt. (It's his status as an immortal adult plastic cartoon in a virtual Garden Of Innocence that gives Sonic his immense proto-furry appeal. It's the stuff inflation fetishes are made of.) In Sonic's view, he will be 'greeted as a liberator.' None of those ugly factories are allowed on South Island - but then, who makes Sonic's red Nikes? TFA is pretty much a straight adaptation of this. Not even the more-nuanced JC Avatar has as many points in common.
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Jan 4, 2017 23:45
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Daric posted:RLM's whole schtick is that he hates everything and too many people gobble that poo poo up because they think hating everything is cool. These same people are still one-strapping their backpack. So they've turned into Cracked?
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Jan 4, 2017 23:46
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SMG, if you eat a probation for that post, there is no justice in Cinema Discusso.
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Jan 4, 2017 23:49
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Seemlar posted:Considering they've rapidly made two defensive Plinkett videos because they're so sore at people pushing back against their bad RO review, I think you have your answer Don't forget the first half of their TFA review spent kvetching about people saying "huh, the prequels weren't bad".
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Jan 4, 2017 23:51
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Hodgepodge posted:That's not an alien mindset, it's an explication of the I Ching, a 3000 year old human book. That passage isn't about moral relativity. You're misunderstanding it. It's about how dualized concepts depend on one another to exist. This... When people see some things as beautiful, other things become ugly. When people see some things as good, other things become bad. ....isn't saying that the act of seeing something as beautiful/ugly makes it beautiful/ugly. It's simply explaining that "beauty" cannot exist to be recognized without "ugliness" also existing as a reified concept, and the same holds true for "good" and "bad." The fact that it can be misinterpreted the way you're doing is a translational issue more than anything else. Just look at a few alternate translations and this becomes clear, and you can understand the core meaning more accurately: All in the world know the beauty of the beautiful, and in doing this they have (the idea of) what ugliness is; they all know the skill of the skilful, and in doing this they have (the idea of) what the want of skill is. or When everyone in the world sees beauty, Then ugly exists. When everyone sees good, Then bad exists. or Under Heaven all can see beauty as beauty only because there is ugliness. All can know good as good only because there is evil. or When the people of the Earth all know beauty as beauty, There arises (the recognition of) ugliness. When the people of the Earth all know the good as good, There arises (the recognition of) evil. There's no way to make the Tao comport with the idea that, say, cold-blooded murder, or theft motivated by greed, or bearing false witness, are anything but bad things. It is not the mind of the individual that makes these things bad, but something higher than the mind of the individual. Your interpretation, contrary to your assertion, is not how the Tao Te Ching has been seriously understood at any point in its 3000 year history, because your interpretation is not a tenable basis for a stable or moral society. Cnut the Great fucked around with this message at 00:40 on Jan 5, 2017 |
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Jan 5, 2017 00:34
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Magic Hate Ball posted:lmao if you think RLM didn't like rogue one for the sake of consistency. Except they liked RO and Mike loved TFA to the point of like tears
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Jan 5, 2017 00:40
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On the other hand, let us not forget that the Noble Eightfold Path of Buddhism is also know as the Middle Way between asceticism and sensual excess, and we have a group of ascetics and a group of people who are, in three out of four instances, rich and powerful. While asceticism is preferable to indulging in the material, nevertheless it is still flawed and incomplete.
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Jan 5, 2017 00:41
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Cnut the Great posted:That passage isn't about moral relativity. You're misunderstanding it. It's about how dualized concepts depend on one another to exist. This... I never said anything about moral relativity. You're correct, of course, but you're replying to your own assumptions and not to me. You won't find many Taoists who abhor the very thought of Yin and preach that it will taint and consume anyone who makes use of it. Pure Yang, the rough equivalent of what the Jedi preach, is just as likely to have disastrous results. In the I Ching, at the topmost point of the first hexagram (all Yang), we see the result: quote:The sixth dynamic line shows its subject as a dragon exceeding the proper limits. There will be occasion for repentance. To which Confucius added: quote:A state of fullness cannot be made to last forever. Of course, you've ignored the next stanza, which clarifies that binary ideas actually do create and depend on one another. "So it is that existence and non-existence give birth the one to (the idea of) the other; that difficulty and ease produce the one (the idea of) the other" in one of the translations you used. e: another translation: quote:As soon as beauty is known by the world as beautiful, it becomes ugly. Anyhow, one thing my preferred translation is notable for is avoiding imposition of Christian ideas upon the text- something that many translators did intentionally or not. Hodgepodge fucked around with this message at 01:59 on Jan 5, 2017 |
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Jan 5, 2017 01:14
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:The comparison of TFA to Sonic is obviously not limited to that aforementioned weird adult presexuality; these works share an ideology. One of Sonic's subgoals is to 'free' the industrious worker drones from their tools and into nature. It's just taken as a given that they don't want to have cool mech suits equipped with drills and saws. The animals are tossed naked into the virtual paradise of polygonal trees and grid-textured dirt. (It's his status as an immortal adult plastic cartoon in a virtual Garden Of Innocence that gives Sonic his immense proto-furry appeal. It's the stuff inflation fetishes are made of.) In Sonic's view, he will be 'greeted as a liberator.' None of those ugly factories are allowed on South Island - but then, who makes Sonic's red Nikes? The interesting thing about the stormtroopers in TFA is that they are taken and indoctrinated from childhood, which is exactly how the Jedi were raised. Indeed, not being raised as a good stormtrooper, er, Jedi, from childhood is precisely the reason why Anakin terrified the Jedi Masters. e: although Sonic wore the influence of Star Wars on its sleeve, of course: 
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Jan 5, 2017 01:30
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Vintersorg posted:New Rebels trailer. gently caress me. That trailer gave me goosebumps. Sabine wielding a darksaber is  Hope she uses it with that energy shield thing for maximum 
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Jan 5, 2017 01:38
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:So yeah, as I was getting to earlier, TFA is absolutely identical, in both plot and narrative, to the original Sonic The Hedgehog series of games: Uhhhh, then why isn't TFA my favorite movie of all time, genius??
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Jan 5, 2017 01:43
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Ferrinus posted:Uhhhh, then why isn't TFA my favorite movie of all time, genius?? Not enough passionately filling their rounded bellies with chili dogs.
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Jan 5, 2017 01:45
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Attorney at Funk posted:Not enough passionately filling their rounded bellies with chili dogs. *chilidogs
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Jan 5, 2017 02:09
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I've found the Red Letter Media analysis on movies to be pretty lazy, lately. It's probably mainly because I've started disagreeing with them, but there are other things that other people have noted as well. Like in the Rogue One response video, putting a laugh track over a "funny" part that's really not meant to be laugh out loud hilarious, just to attack the movie. Or just straight up posting how much money TFA made to demonstrate how good it is. It's come full circle and I think they really do just wait to see how fan opinion turns out. Mike "made a mistake" liking TFA and has been backpedaling for it since he found out that fan opinion on it shifted. They're obligated to say that it's a carbon copy of A New Hope because that's what everyone else says. It's not interesting and doesn't go any deeper than the average copycat they inspired. They're funny guys and I love their videos, but I wish they didn't feel so bound to give their (negative, vicious) hot take on everything.
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Jan 5, 2017 02:19
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Member Berries really did a number on folks opinions on poo poo that directly references or reminds you of or straight up shows you something old. This is the landscape that Lucas should have released the PT in. All his fresh takes and crazy new ideas and poop gags would have been welcomed with open arms by anyone who hates membering things.
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RLM is what happens when amateur clods with no understanding of art, politics, economics, or even human history use elementary school level pattern recognition to review things and somehow manage to get quasi-famous for doing so. I long for the days when film reviews were written up by actual journalists and pulitzer prize winners. If I wanted a medium where out of shape nerdy human beings endlessly bloviate about a pop culture intellectual property I can just read this forum. G-III fucked around with this message at 05:21 on Jan 5, 2017 |
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Jan 5, 2017 02:35
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K. Waste posted:The same rules apply, though. Filmmakers engage and interpret, they should not be expected to conform this engagement to anecdotal imaginings of the psychology of a child. Star Wars is a movie for children, not a movie made by children. It's not pejorative to say that something is for kids. I like lots of things for children because they're good and fun and communicate certain ideas very clearly. Many all-ages films are celebrated as classics. Star Wars is one. But it's a silly arena for something grim and heavy.
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I'm for children.
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G-III posted:RLM is what happens when amateur clods with no understanding of art, politics, economics, or even human history use elementary school level pattern recognition to review things and somehow manage to get quasi-famous for doing so. They test movies against the basic rules taught in screenwriting class. Star Wars used those rules very well, while the prequels drift pretty far away from them. That is what Red Letter Media brings to any discussion.
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Jack Gladney posted:Star Wars is a movie for children, not a movie made by children. It's not pejorative to say that something is for kids. I like lots of things for children because they're good and fun and communicate certain ideas very clearly. Many all-ages films are celebrated as classics. Star Wars is one. But it's a silly arena for something grim and heavy. You're being incoherent. Why is "grim and heavy" outside the purview of children, and what's wrong with "silliness"?
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Jack Gladney posted:They test movies against the basic rules taught in screenwriting class. No they don't.
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The film-makers were whispering to us nerds that Saving Private Ryan and Black Hawk Down were touchstones during the making of his film. Even if its just marketing and genuflection to the nerd hivemind, there was a clear motivation behind this movie to reassure adults that Star Wars has a brand new look (when the truth is that most adult nerds have shades of suspended adolescence in them, and therefore think things that are dark/gritty signify adulthood). I really hated the movie. I'm hoping I can come to appreciate it (or parts of it) as time goes on, but I experienced it as a charmless bore, like being force-fed expired cotton candy. The entire final battle felt like an adaptation of Star Wars: Battlefront. I emotionally flat-lined from the first minute to the last (for what it's worth I have equal love for Eps I-VI and admire VII for the effort). Jewmanji fucked around with this message at 04:37 on Jan 5, 2017 |
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