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Doctor Butts
May 21, 2002

Chilichimp posted:

I don't think she'll be doing much of that, actually. Her treatment of "right wing bile" was a major contributing factor to her departure.

She's 'The only moral _________ is my _______' personified. She's conservative as hell except when a specific thing in the ideology negatively affects her for a brief period.

Chilichimp posted:

The right-wing only thought it did, because they have a persecution complex and an inability to take criticism.

I like this line of reasoning and I'll look out for it.

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KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011

My favorite is when they quote MLK taping about one day race not needing to matter. And that's why they don't see race. A guy I know kept using that and he knows gently caress all about anything. Like he didn't know what the 1964 Civil Rights Act did and I've tried to claim that Slaves didn't have their identities stripped from them. (He of course has a Chinese girlfriend, because these types always loving do)

He got really loving mad at me for suggesting he learn more about the subject before commenting on poo poo and this had now ruined the friendship I had with his girlfriend (who was my friend and the only reason I know the scumbag)

Eggplant Squire
Aug 14, 2003


Doctor Butts posted:

She's 'The only moral _________ is my _______' personified. She's conservative as hell except when a specific thing in the ideology negatively affects her for a brief period.


I like this line of reasoning and I'll look out for it.

Yeah Kelly is trash like the rest of them she just overestimated her pull when the right wing was in the process of deciding that Trump was their god sent to save them from the foreign (and not so foreign) hordes so was on the "right" side for that. Liberal people trying to white wash her history and pretend she wasn't loathsome was super irritating.

Phone posted:

"I don't see race" is the biggest calling card for "IM A HUGE TOOL AND PROBABLY HAVE SOME TERRIBLE LOLBERTARIAN IDEAS FLOATING AROUND IN MY HEAD ABOUT GAME THEORY".

It got brought up on Chapo, but Dan Nianan opened a set with "I bet you're all wondering what race I am, my father is Indian and my mom is Japanese", and their retort was "yeah, I'm the T1000 with the red pixelated overlay with crosshairs trying to identify everyone by race" which is poignant; identifying != acknowledging. The whole "I don't see race" is just shorthand for "I'm actually physically capable of seeing race, but I say I don't because it gives me an out to ignore the larger aspect of societal racial injustice and animosity in favor of my super acute micro aggression variant".

I wonder what "I don't see race" people think about black Santa Claus or black Jesus (I don't actually wonder at all).

Phone
Jul 30, 2005

親子丼をほしい。

Radish posted:

Yeah Kelly is trash like the rest of them she just overestimated her pull when the right wing was in the process of deciding that Trump was their god sent to save them from the foreign (and not so foreign) hordes so was on the "right" side for that. People trying to white wash her history and pretend she wasn't loathsome was super irritating.


I wonder what "I don't see race" people think about black Santa Claus or black Jesus (I don't actually wonder at all).

Megyn Kelly has you covered. ;)

Covok
May 27, 2013

Yet where is that woman now? Tell me, in what heave does she reside? None of them. Because no God bothered to listen or care. If that is what you think it means to be a God, then you and all your teachings are welcome to do as that poor women did. And vanish from these realms forever.
America would be a better place nowadays if Fox News and the Wall Street Journal were aborted projects.

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



Stephen Colbert was making fun of the garbage conservative 'I don't see race' nonsense 11 years ago. Amazes me that people are still trying that old chestnut on people like they will believe that person for 2 seconds.

Eggplant Squire
Aug 14, 2003


Phone posted:

Megyn Kelly has you covered. ;)

Well she certainly sees race when desegregation is concerned.

FlamingLiberal posted:

Stephen Colbert was making fun of the garbage conservative 'I don't see race' nonsense 11 years ago. Amazes me that people are still trying that old chestnut on people like they will believe that person for 2 seconds.

I bet the average American falls into the "racism is largely over" category sadly. That or conservatives are pulling the spectrum super far to the other side since they consider racism against white people to be a much bigger issue.

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




Covok posted:

Ugh, tell me about it. Just last week, I got stuck in an argument where a bunch of people were trying to say how the "n word" wasn't bad and it's weird we treat it as such a bad thing and how it'd be better if we could all say it and no one would care. Tried to explain the whole "the word has a bad history," the "African Americans in the 80s (?) made the argument the word was a bad one and using it implies your complicit in their mistreatment", and many other points and got sent back "the only reason no one says it is because they are afraid of getting stabbed." Add all that on top of me eventually just going "man, isn't it fun to be the only non-white person in this discussion and everyone telling me I'm wrong and the actually racist one." "Oh, you're not white. I guess I didn't notice because I don't just see race." At that point, just loving left. Seriously, if we don't stand up and do some real MLK/Malcolm X pushes in America, we are never going to see an end to racism. We really need powerful leaders like that again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mg0UWxhJkfk&t=13s

Violator
May 15, 2003


I've never understood how people just don't understand context. At the most basic level, I understand that as a man that if I walk up to a woman and say "Hey, what's up oval office?" or "How ya doing bitch?" then that is inappropriate and disrespectful. But if a woman does the same thing to her girlfriends, it's completely fine and playful. Every cultural group has words like that! But for some reason it's offensive to some whites if they can't walk up to a black person and use disrespectful language? Drives me crazy.

sweart gliwere
Jul 5, 2005

better to die an evil wizard,
than to live as a grand one.
Pillbug

Radish posted:

Yeah Kelly is trash like the rest of them she just overestimated her pull when the right wing was in the process of deciding that Trump was their god sent to save them from the foreign (and not so foreign) hordes so was on the "right" side for that. Liberal people trying to white wash her history and pretend she wasn't loathsome was super irritating.

I wouldn't be surprised if her leaving was 9% just to know she's taking one more blonde anchor out of Roger Ailes' spank bank. Even though he's out of the picture, Fox News was and still is made in his image.

She's a competent, ambitious, somewhat soulless person.

Eggplant Squire
Aug 14, 2003


Violator posted:

I've never understood how people just don't understand context. At the most basic level, I understand that as a man that if I walk up to a woman and say "Hey, what's up oval office?" or "How ya doing bitch?" then that is inappropriate and disrespectful. But if a woman does the same thing to her girlfriends, it's completely fine and playful. Every cultural group has words like that! But for some reason it's offensive to some whites if they can't walk up to a black person and use disrespectful language? Drives me crazy.

I think a decent amount understand perfectly but don't think it's fair that they can't be assholes in public so use poo poo arguments as a way to try and be able to make it socially acceptable.

Covok
May 27, 2013

Yet where is that woman now? Tell me, in what heave does she reside? None of them. Because no God bothered to listen or care. If that is what you think it means to be a God, then you and all your teachings are welcome to do as that poor women did. And vanish from these realms forever.
A lot of people are spiteful assholes because their life didn't turn out how they wanted. Instead of self-reflection and improvement, they focus on being jerks to everyone. As acknowledging this behavior means admitting you hate yourself and are, therefore, worse off than the people you terrorize, they come up with rationalizations to deflect their bad behavior on others or make themselves out to be innocent, even saints or heroes.

Phone
Jul 30, 2005

親子丼をほしい。

Radish posted:

I wonder what "I don't see race" people think about black Santa Claus or black Jesus (I don't actually wonder at all).

Requoting this and making a correction.

Megyn Kelly knows what race Santa is; however, I doubt she's ever watched an episode of Black Jesus.

George RR Fartin
Apr 16, 2003




Phone posted:

Requoting this and making a correction.

Megyn Kelly knows what race Santa is; however, I doubt she's ever watched an episode of Black Jesus.

Doesn't she have a loving law degree? Why hasn't anyone condescendingly said "Honey, you know Santa Claus isn't real, right?" (I'm avoiding saying the same about Jesus though I'm thinking it super hard)

Covok
May 27, 2013

Yet where is that woman now? Tell me, in what heave does she reside? None of them. Because no God bothered to listen or care. If that is what you think it means to be a God, then you and all your teachings are welcome to do as that poor women did. And vanish from these realms forever.
I wonder how conservatives would respond to "Christianity is so successful because they were willing to alter their iconography and message to the cultural group they were recruiting. One weakness of American Christianity is its refusal to adopt this method and is a contributing factor to high rates of atheism among America's youth."

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

TIE Adv xWampa

It wamp, and it stomp

Grimey Drawer

BarbarianElephant posted:

Best libertarian picture books, based on my extensive readings:

"The Little Red Hen" (Little Golden Book) in which a hen bakes some bread while whining that no-one will help her then eats the whole drat loaf because she isn't going to share it with any "takers"
"If You Give A Mouse A Cookie" (Laura Numenoff) in which a greedy mouse takes advantage of a little boy's generosity by making ever larger and more ridiculous demands.

That mouse swept that kids entire loving house, man. Don't pretend like the boy got nothing out of that.

BarbarianElephant
Feb 12, 2015
The fairy of forgiveness has removed your red text.
Wikipedia reveals that Saint Nicholas was Turkish. So to be accurate, all Santa Clauses should be of Middle Eastern origin.

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

TIE Adv xWampa

It wamp, and it stomp

Grimey Drawer

Covok posted:

A lot of people are spiteful assholes because their life didn't turn out how they wanted. Instead of self-reflection and improvement, they focus on being jerks to everyone. As acknowledging this behavior means admitting you hate yourself and are, therefore, worse off than the people you terrorize, they come up with rationalizations to deflect their bad behavior on others or make themselves out to be innocent, even saints or heroes.

Stop reading my loving livejournal and diagnosing it in public, you piece of poo poo.

Mister Facetious
Apr 21, 2007

I think I died and woke up in L.A.,
I don't know how I wound up in this place...

:canada:

Covok posted:

America would be a better place nowadays if Ayn Rand were aborted.

Fixed.

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

TIE Adv xWampa

It wamp, and it stomp

Grimey Drawer

BarbarianElephant posted:

Wikipedia reveals that Saint Nicholas was Turkish. So to be accurate, all Santa Clauses should be of Middle Eastern origin.

Turks hail from the Eurasian steppe. They were pushed into the region known as Turkey while running from the Mongolians.

They are not Middle Eastern.

sweart gliwere
Jul 5, 2005

better to die an evil wizard,
than to live as a grand one.
Pillbug

Chilichimp posted:

Turks hail from the Eurasian steppe. They were pushed into the region known as Turkey while running from the Mongolians.

They are not Middle Eastern.

Let's have a discussion on Turkish ethnic purity and national authenticity in another thread.

Or, because the Mongolian expat originals have lived and had families alongside and intermixed with regional middle-eastern natives, for hundreds of years... maybe not at all.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice
I like telling right wing fundie fanatics "Jesus was darker than Osama bin laden, so every picture you have ever seen is a lie. Wonder how much other stuff like that is a lie?"

Never works because they're pretty good at ignoring truth but it's really fun to hear the arguments they come up with.

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

TIE Adv xWampa

It wamp, and it stomp

Grimey Drawer

sweart gliwere posted:

Let's have a discussion on Turkish ethnic purity and national authenticity in another thread.

Or, because the Mongolian expat originals have lived and had families alongside and intermixed with regional middle-eastern natives, for hundreds of years... maybe not at all.

In the context of Saint Nicholas who lived in 300 AD?

Also, apparently he was a Hellenic Greek, so, this has been a fun derail.

Phone
Jul 30, 2005

親子丼をほしい。
Santa has an even better square to circle: Castle Doctrine vs A man forcibly entering your residence.

Just picture a macro with a plate of cookies and a glass of milk next to it with MOLON LABE in Impact on the bottom.

Hodgepodge
Jan 29, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 214 days!

Violator posted:

I've never understood how people just don't understand context. At the most basic level, I understand that as a man that if I walk up to a woman and say "Hey, what's up oval office?" or "How ya doing bitch?" then that is inappropriate and disrespectful. But if a woman does the same thing to her girlfriends, it's completely fine and playful. Every cultural group has words like that! But for some reason it's offensive to some whites if they can't walk up to a black person and use disrespectful language? Drives me crazy.

If you need to explain it so they can't deny understanding, just be like "it's like how you can whine about you mom, but no one else had best say a bad word about her."

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Phone posted:

Santa has an even better square to circle: Castle Doctrine vs A man forcibly entering your residence.

Just picture a macro with a plate of cookies and a glass of milk next to it with MOLON LABE in Impact on the bottom.

I may have to do this.

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


sweart gliwere posted:

Let's have a discussion on Turkish ethnic purity and national authenticity in another thread.

Or, because the Mongolian expat originals have lived and had families alongside and intermixed with regional middle-eastern natives, for hundreds of years... maybe not at all.

turkish nationalists are a fun group of people to encounter and troll on the internet

BarbarianElephant posted:

Wikipedia reveals that Saint Nicholas was Turkish. So to be accurate, all Santa Clauses should be of Middle Eastern origin.

he was greek, actually

Covok
May 27, 2013

Yet where is that woman now? Tell me, in what heave does she reside? None of them. Because no God bothered to listen or care. If that is what you think it means to be a God, then you and all your teachings are welcome to do as that poor women did. And vanish from these realms forever.
According to a CNN chron in my break room, Obama told dems not to save the GOP from "Trumpcare." Tell me how the RWM thinks the "black Muslim is calling for the death of America" or whatever they like to yell.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice

Covok posted:

According to a CNN chron in my break room, Obama told dems not to save the GOP from "Trumpcare." Tell me how the RWM thinks the "black Muslim is calling for the death of America" or whatever they like to yell.

"Why won't the divider-in-chief accept that Democrats lost the election? We have a mandate from the people to fix this disaster but Obama just has to dig in his heels and make it harder. The nation needs to come together and heal after this divisive election and he's not doing that"

Covok
May 27, 2013

Yet where is that woman now? Tell me, in what heave does she reside? None of them. Because no God bothered to listen or care. If that is what you think it means to be a God, then you and all your teachings are welcome to do as that poor women did. And vanish from these realms forever.

bird food bathtub posted:

"Why won't the divider-in-chief accept that Democrats lost the election? We have a mandate from the people to fix this disaster but Obama just has to dig in his heels and make it harder. The nation needs to come together and heal after this divisive election and he's not doing that"

Quote, paraphrase, or guess?

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice

Covok posted:

Quote, paraphrase, or guess?

D. Acceptance of harsh, cold reality.

Jurgan
May 8, 2007

Just pour it directly into your gaping mouth-hole you decadent slut

Ragnar34 posted:

What, you don't remember all those times the GOP gave Obama the opportunity to compromise with them on social and economic issues, but he just kept on pushing radical socialist policies? Yeah, me neither, but I bet the right does.

Yeah, radical socialist policies like "poor women should be able to get health care" and "we should probably not leave the Supreme Court with a vacancy" and "paying our bills is better than destroying the global economy." I'm honestly impressed by the chutzpah it takes to declare we should refuse to pay for things we bought and still call yourself a fiscal conservative.

Xelkelvos posted:

gently caress, I'd support a new Black Panther movement complete with an armed takeover of a government building given that fear of Blacks is about the only way White people tend to ever react.

Well, there is a "New Black Panther Party," but unfortunately they're an antisemitic hate group. They need to get their asses whipped by the Black Panther Classics.

Jurgan
May 8, 2007

Just pour it directly into your gaping mouth-hole you decadent slut

Shlomo Palestein posted:

Doesn't she have a loving law degree? Why hasn't anyone condescendingly said "Honey, you know Santa Claus isn't real, right?" (I'm avoiding saying the same about Jesus though I'm thinking it super hard)

She was worried about disillusioning kids who might be watching. Or as Jon Stewart put it, "So you're concerned about kids who are sophisticated enough to watch Fox News at 10:00 on a weeknight, yet naive enough to still believe in Santa, yet racist enough to be offended by his being non-white? That's a very small demographic."

sweart gliwere posted:

Let's have a discussion on Turkish ethnic purity and national authenticity in another thread.

Can Armenians participate?

Jurgan fucked around with this message at 22:19 on Jan 4, 2017

Ragnar34
Oct 10, 2007

Lipstick Apathy

Jurgan posted:

She was worried about disillusioning kids who might be watching. Or as Jon Stewart put it, "So you're concerned about kids who are sophisticated enough to watch Fox News at 10:00 on a weeknight, yet naive enough to still believe in Santa, yet racist enough to be offended by his being non-white? That's a very small demographic."

Not that small if you ignore the bit about 10:00 PM. Parents who watch Fox News will have their young children watch Fox News. Basically, it's this kid minus two or three years.



This guy's fake, sure, but he's also not fake at all, because I keep meeting him when my parents coerce me into going to their evangelical church. The real variable is whether they're allowed to know about Christmas.

Ragnar34 fucked around with this message at 01:50 on Jan 5, 2017

Phone
Jul 30, 2005

親子丼をほしい。
Strap in kids:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfzvrCwjfLE

First comment?

quote:

yaner51 minutes ago (edited)
Holy gently caress. I'm not white but imagine if a group of white people kidnaped a black person and tortured him in the name of trump. The left would literally explode imo cnn might even forget the Syrian war.

Whites in America gave minorities their rights. But I hope it didn't backfire.

EDITED

HE EDITED IT! WHAT THE

Time to donate to the knockout game relief fund.

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

TIE Adv xWampa

It wamp, and it stomp

Grimey Drawer

Phone posted:

Strap in kids:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfzvrCwjfLE

First comment?


EDITED

HE EDITED IT! WHAT THE

Time to donate to the knockout game relief fund.

We granted them their rights... their unalienable rights... endowed by their creator...

Phone
Jul 30, 2005

親子丼をほしい。
Welp. http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2017/01/04/four-people-in-custody-after-alleged-kidnapping-torture-is-live-streamed/

Republicans
Oct 14, 2003

- More money for us

- Fuck you


Don't bother making a "4 BLM activists kidnap/torture Trump voter" joke, that's literally the headline being pushed right now.

Nucleic Acids
Apr 10, 2007
I can't wait to see what the president-elect tweets about this.

Nucleic Acids fucked around with this message at 04:40 on Jan 5, 2017

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Republicans
Oct 14, 2003

- More money for us

- Fuck you


And our first nominee for Greatest Self-Own of the Year is:

https://twitter.com/pnehlen/status/816851806294855680

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