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Uncle Jam posted:For women in STEM, I wonder how the costs of tuition are going to affect that. I already feel like American born students in STEM PhD degrees is cratering, I think partially due to tuition costs. The last hire in my dept was a foreign guy who drove to his first day of a 90k/yr entry level job in a tricked out Benz. I think its a combo of debt and a lack of use for a PhD. A PhD is good for a) Academia b) high end research The Academia job market is a complete dumpster fire and you could have spent the last 5+ years slaving away on a PhD working your way up the corporate food chain instead for a research gig. Combined with grad programs that treat its students like garbagemen, why bother? stone cold posted:You know, I genuinely think it's a sexist thing, because how many media portrayals have we seen of teen dudes being all awkward about getting the talk. I'm a dude and never got the talk. My parents never inquired about my (lack of) girlfriends either. Good thing I was lazy and incapable of getting a date if I was the literal last man on earth.
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stone cold posted:We both got lucky. Yeah, I want to yell at people who think that because a egg is fertilized, it's automatically a life. If they only knew that the female body eliminates fertilized eggs all the time and most people don't even know it.
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blackguy32 posted:Yeah, I want to yell at people who think that because a egg is fertilized, it's automatically a life. If they only knew that the female body eliminates fertilized eggs all the time and most people don't even know it. Well, considering that Republicans are already trying to criminalize miscarriages, it might actually be smarter to leave them in the dark about this.
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Dommolus Magnus posted:Well, considering that Republicans are already trying to criminalize miscarriages, it might actually be smarter to leave them in the dark about this. Well, if they want to criminalize sex, I guess this would be the best way.
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My mom never cared about curfews or anything. I never got "the talk", but I had an excellent Bio 30 teacher who gave us all booklets about what is happening during each week of pregnancy and even brought in various forms of birth control for us to look at. I think my mom just presumed I was responsible enough to take care of myself, so she didn't care if I was out until 2am with older friends of mine. What she didn't know was that I was in a polyamorous relationship with a guy 8 years my senior that I met through the internet. I consider myself lucky, 'cause that situation could have gone really really bad for me, but it ended up teaching me how to be a responsible adult.
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Kentucky is trying the same thing. Except its a Democrat pushing both a bathroom bill and a "religious freedom" bill http://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/politics/ky-legislature/2017/01/04/bathroom-bill-filed-ky---democrat/96148866/
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BedBuglet posted:Fresh out of college I found myself in a room with about 70 people with majors covering every single major STEM discipline. We were all applying for a handful of open positions at what was/is my dream job. Of those 70 something people, there were 4 women. I and one other woman were the only people offered jobs. In a room that was overwhelmingly male, the only people offered jobs were women and that stuck in my craw for weeks. I kept feeling like I was hired because of diversity and not because of how intelligent I was or qualified I was. Then I realized how toxic that kind of thinking is. It doesn't matter why I was hired, what matters is that I am intelligent and am qualified and anyone who has worked with me knows it and would go to bat for me if anyone claimed otherwise. Maybe I have to work twice as hard to prove that I belong there but what matters is that I am proving that on a day to day basis. Even if you happen to be less qualified, so what? You wouldn't be the only person who got ahead not purely by merit. A lot of people get jobs through connections or nepotism. Being a diversity hire is certainly no worse than that. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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silence_kit posted:Even if you happen to be less qualified, so what? You wouldn't be the only person who got ahead not purely by merit. A lot of people get jobs through connections or nepotism. Being a diversity hire is certainly no worse than that. That's exactly the kind of toxic thinking that was being described and it's disgraceful comparing diverse hiring practices to nepotism and connections. Shame on you, and how dare you insinuate that diversity hires are necessarily less qualified. edit: oh you're silence_kit get the gently caress outta here
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stone cold posted:Shame on you, and how dare you insinuate that diversity hires are necessarily less qualified. I never said that they necessarily were. Pretending that all diversity hires are hyper-qualified is wishful thinking though. I'm just saying that it's not unusual to get a job not purely on your own merit, so why should diversity hires feel bad about it when when beneficiaries of nepotism do not?
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silence_kit posted:I never said that they necessarily were. Pretending that all diversity hires are hyper-qualified is wishful thinking though. First of all, it's insulting to compare the two, since the comparison necessarily invites the idea that diversity hires are incompetent, which is untrue. Second of all, you've never actually interacted with a nepotism hire.
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silence_kit posted:I never said that they necessarily were. Pretending that all diversity hires are hyper-qualified is wishful thinking though. No, you just implied it. You've been asked to stay out of this thread, stay out.
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Sexism is when a woman makes less than a man but the man still gets the job despite both being equal. So it is a good thing to not pick the man for the job.
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Ytlaya posted:I wonder how much of the sexist attitude parents often have towards daughters vs. sons (not just with regards to sex, but also many other things) stems from the father vs the mother. I mean, obviously it can and does come from both parents, but I wonder if it's more common with one than the other. I have a strong hunch that if I were a girl my dad would have been less cool with the idea of me having sex than my mom (this is coming from a non-religious, non-conservative family). I'm not sure it's entirely sexism, but might at least be partially based in practicality. Traditionally, you worry that your daughter could become pregnant and left to care for the baby alone by some deadbeat. You didn't have to worry about that with a son (unspokenly implying that said son has the option of being a deadbeat). Today the roles could very well be reversed in some states. A daughter has the option of an abortion in case of an accidental pregnancy, where a son who makes the same mistake has no option but what his partner chooses (this is as it should be, as bodily autonomy is beyond important). It's imperative to teach our sons the possible consequences, and how to take responsibility for them. This includes teaching enthusiastic consent, safe sex, contraception, etc.
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Interesting to think how I was raised. My father was an abusive alcoholic, and while I was the older one I got put in the mediator role and because my grades were good I got no real guidance. There was no talk, just a bunch of "what are you gay?" due to my non dating. And I mean now yes I am gay but that's because I like women.  My younger sister however...She got the raw end of the deal. She would act out and get into massive fights with both my parents. She got into drinking and drugs and that ended with my parents getting her arrested and charged with possession as a mean to control her. Any acting out by her was a huge transgression, while I was asked why I never asserted myself.
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Eimi posted:Interesting to think how I was raised. My father was an abusive alcoholic, and while I was the older one I got put in the mediator role and because my grades were good I got no real guidance. There was no talk, just a bunch of "what are you gay?" due to my non dating. And I mean now yes I am gay but that's because I like women. Yeah, I can relate with that. For me it was my mother. It's hard when the people you are supposed to be able to look up to as kids are just flawed humans. Also, yay for liking girls! Boobs meet with my approval as well. BedBuglet fucked around with this message at 07:57 on Jan 6, 2017 |
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I'm not sure which post of mine in this thread caused whoever has redtexted me 3 times to wish death on me and accuse me of hating women, but I would ask whoever it is to please match my donation to RAINN before deciding if they want to do it a 4th time. You'll feel a lot better and help people in need. https://donate.rainn.org/
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Deified Data posted:I'm not sure which post of mine in this thread caused whoever has redtexted me 3 times to wish death on me and accuse me of hating women, but I would ask whoever it is to please match my donation to RAINN before deciding if they want to do it a 4th time. You'll feel a lot better and help people in need. Please don't smugbrag about your donation in here as means to attack me or tb for your dumb redtext. Neither of us is dumb enough to spend actual real money on `lame internet burns.` Thanks for your donation though, and is RAINN thread still up, be sure to cross post. Now did you have anything of value to contribute on-topic, say double standards in sex ed, or how sexism in policing has led to a significantly higher rate of arrest for teenage girls? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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stone cold posted:Please don't smugbrag about your donation in here as means to attack me or tb for your dumb redtext. Neither of us is dumb enough to spend actual real money on `lame internet burns.` Wait what? Is this a new thing?
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Talmonis posted:Wait what? Is this a new thing? The article I posted last page? e: quote:The arrest patterns revealed surprising age and gender biases: Female offenders were nearly 2.5 times more likely than males to be arrested, while adolescents were 4.5 times more likely than adults to face arrest.The arrest patterns revealed surprising age and gender biases: Female offenders were nearly 2.5 times more likely than males to be arrested, while adolescents were 4.5 times more likely than adults to face arrest. stone cold fucked around with this message at 21:21 on Jan 5, 2017 |
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gently caress  http://arstechnica.com/science/2017/01/ryan-obamacare-repeal-will-strip-planned-parenthood-of-funding/ GOP will strip Planned Parenthood of funding while repealing ACA - Despite lack of replacement legislation, GOP plans for repeal in coming weeks. posted:As Republican lawmakers eagerly prepare to scrap President Obama’s signature healthcare legislation, the Affordable Care Act, they’ve announced that while doing so, they'll also strip funding from Planned Parenthood. Note that they're planning on doing this in the next couple months despite having literally no plan in place for healthcare afterwards. They're literally winging it to the tune of a $350B cost. Supposedly there are a significant chunk of republicans who realize how loving insanely bad of an idea dismantling the current healthcare system without having a plan for the new system is, so we can only pray that this poo poo gets delayed out of existence (it probably won't though). I have no idea how the PP defunding could possibly be disentangled from the ACA repeal bill, too 
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Kelp Me! posted:gently caress  Also, wasn't there that dumbass Bush-appointee judge down in Texas that had an injunction against Medicare to fund Planned Parenthood?
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Yes  it's due to be defunded in TX on the 21st, but PP is trying to fight it: http://jezebel.com/planned-parenthood-asks-texas-federal-judge-to-stop-pla-1790658708 Planned Parenthood Asks Texas Federal Judge to Stop Planned Medicaid Cuts posted:In a request filed late Friday in Austin, Planned Parenthood has asked a federal judge in Texas to halt the plan to cut its funding from the state’s Medicaid program.
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Man, I don't even want to think about all the terrible poo poo that is going to happen over the next 4-8 years. Like every time my mind heads in that direction it just goes "nope!" and recoils. Also, to elaborate a bit on why the guy comparing (possible) diversity hires to nepotism was dumb, the whole point of diversity hires is to off-set bias against diversity hires, so basically the status quo is one where (on average) there's some degree of unfair advantage given to (usually) white male hires.
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Talmonis posted:Wait what? Is this a new thing? A study in Massachusetts found that when called out on a domestic violence claims alleged female offenders were arrested at a significantly higher rate than alleged male offenders. Arrest rates for boys are of course substantially higher than girls generally.
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Patrick Spens posted:A study in Massachusetts found that when called out on a domestic violence claims alleged female offenders were arrested at a significantly higher rate than alleged male offenders. Arrest rates for boys are of course substantially higher than girls generally. Well, right, that was in the article and the study linked. I guess the better phrased question is what to do going forward with regards to harmonizing the VAWA with state and local law enforcement such that we're not tossing girls in jail for 'throwing Barbie dolls at their parents.' I mean, in the article linked, that 15 year old died in police custody for literally no reason.
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Eimi posted:Any acting out by her was a huge transgression, while I was asked why I never asserted myself. This reminds me of a pair of sisters I know. One is constantly told she should dress and present herself more femininely, while the other is scolded for taking too long in the bathroom on her hair and makeup, and told she looks "like a streetwalker".
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I hope everyone remembers when young and/or impoverished women were getting mutilated in back alleys to terminate their unwanted pregnancy because we're going back to that! Planned parenthood is getting de-funded weeeeee. Hopefully it will limp on with donations so women who need it can still get access to healthcare but this is some bullshit.
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TerminalSaint posted:This reminds me of a pair of sisters I know. One is constantly told she should dress and present herself more femininely, while the other is scolded for taking too long in the bathroom on her hair and makeup, and told she looks "like a streetwalker". I've heard the dynamic of peacemaker and hell raiser is common in families with an abusive alcoholic, at least a couple of my therapists have told me that. And it's hard to compare my situation to the one they went through as I still had to present as male then.
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stone cold posted:Moving away from mediachat, and Kylo Renchat, a sad story out of Kentucky that highlights a greater point: Hmm. The study referenced in the Jezebel article is The Impact of Relationship Status, Gender, and Minor Status in the Police Response to Domestic Assaults. Here is what the linked study has to say about gender bias in arrest patterns: quote:Of great interest is the impact of gender on the odds for arrest. In this It's Jezebel, but come on! The figures quoted by the blogger are not supported by the study, and the study's findings are pretty much the opposite of those implied by the blog post. Mandatory and preferred arrest statues actually promote gender balance in domestic violence arrests, for better or worse. Patrick Spens posted:A study in Massachusetts found that when called out on a domestic violence claims alleged female offenders were arrested at a significantly higher rate than alleged male offenders. Arrest rates for boys are of course substantially higher than girls generally. Like...this claim is specifically not in line with the study. The study found that arrest rates for domestic violence calls were not significantly different based on gender in juristictions with mandatory or preferred arrest statutes, except for a couple of specific cases in which men were still more likely to be arrested. Also the study was published in 2007, and relied on data collected in 2000. So it might be representitive or not of the state of affairs in 2017 but it's not a hot new item we should be Real Outraged about rather than trying to take in context.
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The article referenced several studies. The claim about "Female offenders were nearly 2.5 times more likely than males to be arrested, while adolescents were 4.5 times more likely than adults to face arrest," comes from this study, not the one you quoted. Edit: More accurately you wrote the title of the article correct in your post but somehow linked (and possibly quoted) a completely different article on a similar topic. Patrick Spens fucked around with this message at 18:42 on Jan 6, 2017 |
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Patrick Spens posted:The article referenced several studies. The claim about "Female offenders were nearly 2.5 times more likely than males to be arrested, while adolescents were 4.5 times more likely than adults to face arrest," comes from this study, not the one you quoted. Yep, I am dumb.
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wateroverfire posted:Yep, I am dumb. I'm glad we all agree on that at least.
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Patrick Spens posted:The article referenced several studies. The claim about "Female offenders were nearly 2.5 times more likely than males to be arrested, while adolescents were 4.5 times more likely than adults to face arrest," comes from this study, not the one you quoted. Have you read deeply into the study you just linked? The authors have this to say about the relation between gender and odds of arrest, as well as what factors were most significant to the odds of arrest: quote:These analyses also find partial support for the increased odds of arrest
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wateroverfire posted:Yep, I am dumb. To be fair, I'd be a little cautious of these sorts of stories (not in the "they're all lying whores" sense, but in the "just read the study first" sense) because the reporting on scientific studies is loving terrible. There are tons of examples, but one example was about a male contraception study where it was widely reported that men dropped out due to minor side effects. The reality was the WHO stopped the study due to serious safety concerns even though the vast majority of men wanted to continue on - this was spelled out in plain English under it's own clearly labeled section.
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Just posting to say that the Politics of Housework link that Tiny Brontosaurus gave led me to a "couldn't find this article" page. I found a replacement for that great read here: https://caringlabor.wordpress.com/2010/09/11/pat-mainardi-the-politics-of-housework/
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Ytlaya posted:Man, I don't even want to think about all the terrible poo poo that is going to happen over the next 4-8 years. Like every time my mind heads in that direction it just goes "nope!" and recoils. Speaking from a Canadian perspective, I'm with every American woman in solidarity. It's going to be a long four years, all uphill I think.
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Let's do it, let's talk about Hillary in the feminism thread. It bugs me real bad to hear people discuss the election and why Hillary lost because it seems agreed-upon that sexism was the least of our problems. After all, Hillary lost white women! To me, Hillary losing white women doesn't mean that sexism wasn't a problem, it more says to me that the wombo combo of internalized sexism plus racism was enough to do her in. I'm having trouble fully articulating my thoughts on this because the whole thing is such a loving bummer. Is Hillary a perfect person? gently caress no. But as Koalas March and blackguy32 mentioned in the Negrotown thread today, she fuckin works her rear end off. Lady gets poo poo done and lord knows probably would have had an even more exasperating presidency than Obama did, but was still game for that poo poo.
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Hawkgirl posted:Let's do it, let's talk about Hillary in the feminism thread. I have heard a lot about how she only has herself to blame, that the Democrats should have never nominated a person who is hated so much. Never mind that some of the basis for the hatred of her is her husband, and some comes from her being unwilling to be forced into the role of traditional wife and mother. You're right about the role of internalized sexism. I think that is mostly where her difficulties with white women actually came from. We have expectations of ourselves to be able to do it all, and an (unfortunate) tendency to judge other women for their (perceived) shortcomings, because they remind us that we are also imperfect. Yes, she worked her rear end off and always has. We have to.
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