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Koramei posted:How do you mean? I'll defer to you since you actually taught, but I've asked teachers about it before since I was curious too and that was one of the major factors. Teachers at a hagwon though, maybe things are different at an actual school? There is almost no training in Korea, in my experience. EPIK and the other government programs have ten-day "orientation" that is unbelievable bullshit; the majority of what you're told is as follows: 1. Eat kimchi, even if you don't like it. 2. Get along with your coteachers and buy them chocolate when they're angry at you. 3. Take off your shoes in the house. They chain you inside whatever facility is holding the orientation program, give you a harsh curfew, and basically herd you from classroom to classroom while speaking to you as if you're five. The most useful advice came from a speaker who told us just to prepare for surprises at every moment and never expect anything to go as planned. That summer was also record-breaking in terms of heat and humidity and most of us were ill for the entire orientation period. Oh, anyone who brought a dependent spouse with them had to pay for them to stay on site and share a twin bed. (Same deal for their apartments, in a lot of cases.) As for hagwons, I've heard of people arriving and immediately being thrown into a classroom after leaving the airport. In Japan, there is training, even though most places have things down to a science and it's too regimented for anyone to get creative. I had a student lodge a complaint against me once because he told me the book was too easy and I suggested he bring a different book from then on; he didn't like that I deviated from the plan. KillingPablo posted:Is "loyalty" to the school highly valued in Korea? It's been my experience in China that the turnover rate for foreign teachers is so high that schools don't anticipate people to stay longer than a year. At my particular university in Beijing we have one English professor who has been teaching for 11 years, which is even more amazing as he received his PhD at Cambridge and studied for a bit at Harvard. Our school isn't even known for having a good English program, so I've no idea why he's stayed for over a decade. I'm honestly not sure. There is a strong push for the teachers to consider themselves part of the school community, with frequent mandatory school dinners and even overnight trips. One of the few good things about my school is that my first coteacher/supervisor was actually very nice and caring and got me out of any commitments longer than a couple of hours, and by the time she left, everyone had gotten used to my absence and didn't make me come out anymore. or they hated me. But I have heard so many complaints from foreign teachers about abusive stuff happening after they announced they were leaving that I'm surprised I didn't get screwed worse. The most annoying thing my school did was take the printer out of my classroom because obviously I wouldn't be needing THAT over the remaining four months of my contract. I just put on a movie and told my coworker, "I'm sorry, I can't teach this class without my printer" and it was mysteriously back in my classroom the next day. There's a reason that foreign teachers often choose the "midnight run" option when leaving Korea; losing your comped flight home might be preferable to, for example, having all the electrical cords in your classroom mysteriously taken away after announcing your intention to leave. or being fired in the eleventh month of your contract so your school is not required to pay your severance and flight home. Bad teaching doesn't matter in Korea because your coteachers probably don't speak any English outside of the textbook. Unless you teach at a high school or middle school, English proficiency of any kind is not a requirement for being an English teacher. Let Us English's school changed one teacher from science to being the English department head three days before the school year started; she wasn't exactly skilled. I've had coteachers who didn't speak any English in the classroom whatsoever- the textbooks don't even have English in them until fifth grade- and one woman in particular was literally insane. Senile dementia (AFAIK), could not care for herself, was frequently dirty and/or unable to communicate even in Korean...and they made her head of the sixth grade English department, which is arguably the most important age group due to upcoming middle school entrance exams. I am blond and appear Caucasian; my first coteacher's first words to me were "I'm so glad you're not black like the last teacher!"  Blistex posted:Yeah, it can be weird some times. If you're at a sketchy school sometimes they will try and take advantage of you leaving the country. This makes me happy. Good for you for fighting! So many people don't bother. Koramei posted:Yeah as impressive as it is on paper, you can go to a prestigious school and still be a total washout. See: half my family That's pretty much it. We can make you eat lunch in a storage closet, break into your apartment and rearrange your furniture, steal all the poo poo out of your desk, give your Chuseok presents to other people, and constantly accuse you of making GBS threads on the bathroom floor, but we won't fire you.
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Loyalty to the school didn't really seem to mean anything when I was in Korea, but I wasn't in the hagwons and none of my friends were either. This was in 2008 so maybe it was different before or after that? Basically the schools expected you to do one year and they didn't give a poo poo when you moved on. It's not like they were paying for your visa or work permit. That was all handled by the Department of Education. Plus it's not like the Korean teachers were permanently assigned to the schools. The teachers at my school at least came out to do a few years at a rural placement so they could rack up some points for promotion and retirement and then would move to a school in Seoul. Everyone there, the teachers, the principals, the nurse, were temporary. Hell, when the nurse left they didn't even replace her and her office became the room hungover teachers napped in. And echoing what people have been saying. There's no training in ESL. I get on my high horse about this a lot, but it's basically a fraudulent enterprise from top to bottom and I contend that about one in a thousand teachers actually knows what they're doing. GoutPatrol posted:God I wish my wedding I'm planning in Taiwan could be that cheap. It is probably going to be double that not including the honeymoon. Not to get into BWM chat in here because I can afford everything and I've been saving two years for it, but gently caress I gotta spend 2000 dollars on lovely cookies. I paid nothing out of pocket for my wedding and it was fine. My wife's family covered expenses and kept all the red envelopes and I'm told it was profitable. We did it on a shoestring and no one noticed.
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Blistex posted:Training a new teacher is (at the most expensive) 3 days pay where you and the person you are replacing overlaps. I might just be wrong on this but I think this is part of it, that this is still enough hassle that the owner of a Hagwon won't consider it worthwhile. Have you all had a different experience; that they're willing to fire teachers readily? Keep in mind my sample size consists of a handful of my friends and maybe they've gone to especially poo poo ones, but essentially I get the impression that starting up a Hagwon is similar to starting up a restaurant in the west. Someone starts it up, and then rides along on the verge of bankruptcy until they make it or more likely fall through, often after less than a year- I have a Korean friend that's had a Hagwon owner just straight up skip town without paying her a cent after she'd worked there for months and she said it wasn't even so unusual, and she's hopped between several failing Hagwons just over the past couple of years. There isn't the same sort of inertia a school in the west might have, and they cut every corner they can. So even if it's in theory simple to replace a teacher, it's not the kind of risk a Hagwon owner wants to take unless they really feel pressured to. I did also think it was actually thousands of dollars to hire a new teacher though so I might just be wrong on this. If you all have different understandings of why they keep bad teachers I would be really interested to know, after some of the stories I've heard it's kind of mind boggling.
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Koramei posted:Keep in mind my sample size consists of a handful of my friends and maybe they've gone to especially poo poo ones, but essentially I get the impression that starting up a Hagwon is similar to starting up a restaurant in the west. Someone starts it up, and then rides along on the verge of bankruptcy until they make it or more likely fall through, often after less than a year- I have a Korean friend that's had a Hagwon owner just straight up skip town without paying her a cent after she'd worked there for months and she said it wasn't even so unusual, and she's hopped between several failing Hagwons just over the past couple of years. I've heard of this many times, unfortunately.
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I could never figure out why anyone would work for a hagwon ever. Like I get in Taiwan working at a cram school because without a teaching certificate or a marriage visa the local schools literally can't hire you, but in Korea you could work in a public school for better pay and holidays and not deal with all of the insane bullshit that came with working in a Hagwon on just a bachelor's.
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I think easily half the cost of my wedding was the booze for all ~350 people who showed up. This did not end well for my groomsmen who were goaded into massive over drinking by the family member we assigned to translate for them who was a woman who spoke broken English and basically spent the wedding harassing guests to toast them while telling my groomsmen if they didn't drink the toast they weren't real men and dishonored my family but obviously she didn't need to drink as she was a woman. As a positive outcome, they're all still alive and have their vision.
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Barudak posted:I think easily half the cost of my wedding was the booze for all ~350 people who showed up. This did not end well for my groomsmen who were goaded into massive over drinking by the family member we assigned to translate for them who was a woman who spoke broken English and basically spent the wedding harassing guests to toast them while telling my groomsmen if they didn't drink the toast they weren't real men and dishonored my family but obviously she didn't need to drink as she was a woman. I'm still mad that the booze at my wedding was left in a closet and forgotten about by the wedding hall staff.
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Think of it as less they forgot and more they wanted to ensure everyone at your wedding lived to see the sun rise the next day. Although, if you missed out on the chief of police of the town you were in getting so shitfaced so quickly after the ceremony they puke during the meal you have my sincerest condolences.
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Koramei posted:How do you mean? I'll defer to you since you actually taught, but I've asked teachers about it before since I was curious too and that was one of the major factors. Teachers at a hagwon though, maybe things are different at an actual school? There is no training whatsoever at public or hagwons in my experience. In Korea it's totally normal to land and be put in the classroom the next day without any kind of explanation. I also received no training in China and I work at a real school now, but when they hired me I had years of experience so that's probably why. You just learn as you go. There's so little training I actually laughed at the idea of anyone being trained. Maybe they do it at international schools or something. I've never even heard of teacher training in Korea or China. The closest thing is EPIK does the orientation thing the first week but there's no training in that, it's literally just like "Do you know kimchi? Do you know Dokdo?" poo poo. Grand Fromage fucked around with this message at 06:34 on Jan 6, 2017 |
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We got married in Hawaii and invited everyone and took all the money and only had 20 guests 
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Barudak posted:Think of it as less they forgot and more they wanted to ensure everyone at your wedding lived to see the sun rise the next day. Eh, me and my buddies just drank it in the family shop after the wedding anyway. Chinese weddings are weird. Over by 2!
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Grand Fromage posted:There is no training whatsoever at public or hagwons in my experience. In Korea it's totally normal to land and be put in the classroom the next day without any kind of explanation. I also received no training in China. You just learn as you go. About three quarters through my GEPIK stint, there was a big GEPIK "training day" at some shithole university in the middle of nowhere, so me and the other guys from way the hell up in Yeoncheon made the two hour trek to it, signed our names in the book, and left after the first lecture consisted of some rear end in a top hat telling us the most effective way to teach was to make the students scrub toilets with you after class to show them how serious you were.
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Atlas Hugged posted:About three quarters through my GEPIK stint, there was a big GEPIK "training day" at some shithole university in the middle of nowhere, so me and the other guys from way the hell up in Yeoncheon made the two hour trek to it, signed our names in the book, and left after the first lecture consisted of some rear end in a top hat telling us the most effective way to teach was to make the students scrub toilets with you after class to show them how serious you were. aahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahhaha WHAT THE gently caress
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Koramei posted:Have you all had a different experience; that they're willing to fire teachers readily? At a public school in Korea it's very difficult to fire a foreign teacher and seems to be literally impossible to fire a Korean. They have a bunch of hoops to go through to fire you and they're way too lazy most of the time to bother, they just run out the clock. A hagwon can and will fire you at the drop of a hat. There are so many Koreaboos applying to work that they can find someone new within the week and the pay has been steadily decreasing anyway, so it's probably cheaper. How bad teachers stay on for so long... I dunno, I have a few ideas. 1) The school has no idea the teacher is bad. Most schools don't give a gently caress about education quality or anything so they may literally have no idea and not care. 2) Corollary, the teacher is white and attractive and the purpose of the teacher is to give the appearance of education, not education, so that forgives other sins. 3) There are people who are a mess but can keep it together and do a decent job in the classroom, so you might meet them and think "holy poo poo how does this guy have a job" but he's actually an okay teacher. 4) The new teacher could be worse. Or, horror of horrors, black.  So we better stay on this horse as long as we can!
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Atlas Hugged posted:Eh, me and my buddies just drank it in the family shop after the wedding anyway. Chinese weddings are weird. Over by 2! It's the best part. That and the no wasting time on a dance the couple clearly doesn't know how to do because, unless you're Hispanic, as a person under 40 you probably don't know poo poo about actual couples dancing in the west. The best dancing at a wedding was at a wedding where the couple met at Tango class. Nobody loving danced after they did their thing because it was, you know, embarrassing as poo poo to go up there and try and wing it after watching their years in the making routine even though most people knew at least like bachata or salsa.
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Atlas Hugged posted:About three quarters through my GEPIK stint, there was a big GEPIK "training day" at some shithole university in the middle of nowhere, so me and the other guys from way the hell up in Yeoncheon made the two hour trek to it, signed our names in the book, and left after the first lecture consisted of some rear end in a top hat telling us the most effective way to teach was to make the students scrub toilets with you after class to show them how serious you were. Oh poo poo you reminded me we did have a "training day" once. I didn't think of it because there was no training. It was organized after a teacher got busted mailing himself hash from Canada, so the first couple hours were about that. The only other thing I remember was since they had a room full of honkeys they decided to show us the new city tourism video and have us give feedback. Cue the several minutes of sweeping views of smokestacks and factories (where I lived was super industrial--though quite clean and nice despite that) and statistics about oil production and stuff. They probably showed a whale at some point and maybe a tree but it was 90% about factories. At the end the camera goes over the huge oil refinery while a man belts out UUUUUUUUUULLLLLLLSSSSSSSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNN in full operatic glory and most of us completely lost our poo poo. I hadn't laughed that hard in ages. So then they asked and literally every one of us said no, it was not effective. Tourists from our countries would not be enticed to visit by showing them video of smoke pouring out of factories and oil refineries. After our valuable feedback, a few months later I saw they were playing it on a loop at the high-speed rail station.
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I'm sure once envelopes are tallied then maybe it will be okay. But I'm budgeting this thing like I won't see one red cent. Her parents aren't paying anything, because they are poor. If they expect all the same poo poo that I am doing for the other three children, they will never get married. Originally the mother-in-law said she didn't even want her side of the family to give envelopes. My parents said they would give me as much as they gave my sister, and that would be enough to cover all expenses by itself but I'm not touching that and using it as a nest egg.
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Fleta Mcgurn posted:aahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahhaha WHAT THE gently caress We skipped out on traditional Korean wrestling lessons scheduled for the afternoon session. Man you guys reminded me of the forced teacher overnights. On my last night on Korea the school took me out to dinner and at the end presented me with a red envelope. I thought it was a going away gift. Turns out it was just the money they'd been taking out of my salary every month to contribute for the next trip. The one I did get dragged on was cut short though because the Korean staff was too hungover to continue. God those fuckers played go-stop all night. When we went into the hotel, the baggage cart was loaded with dried squid and soju and I remarked that it was a bell hof. No one appreciated my humor.
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For-profit education is a poo poo show top to bottom and in my experience actual education or quality is the absolute last thing on anyone`s mind. Ive lived in Korea, China and Japan Just passed HSK 5 and N1 this year! :woo: and ESL is a real dumpster fire of an industry. I avoided it my first two years out here, than got sucked in to a year stint in Guangzhou, banked that cash and got a job in Japan for the Visa. Half a year later I got a real job in a totally unrelated industry and Im never teaching another English class again. All that matters is the optics, foreign teachers are there purely for show, noone expects you to do anything except be a warm body in a classroom. Depending on what kind of place you work at, it might be just a few classes or they might be riding you with six-plus classes a day, all depends on what the native management is like. People almost never get fired from these places because bringing in someone new is inherently a risk and too much hassle. You are a foreigner and you are standing in the general vicinity of students, you are already fulfilling your purpose. A lazy, sub-par teacher is way better than taking a gamble on someone who could show up and maybe cause a serious problem. I havent taught alot but most of my friends out here have been in the industry and anecdotally the only way you can be outright fired (instead of tight-lipped silence regarding your contract renewal) is if you do something extremely illegal, usually drug related, that would cause the school to look bad. I knew one guy who got fired from a private high school I worked at in China (I was their IT guy, not a teacher) and he was fired because he slept with a woman who was married to some local gangster, which caused the guy to show up and start threatening parents out in the parking lot area. Pro-Tip: If the school has a large foreign staff but literally no foreigners in management, expect to be treated like an exotic monkey for the entertainment of all and to have basically no prospects for advancement. This creates a vicious cycle of course where people have no reason to stay and so of course the schools treat you like a temp-worker. In the end though the cash keeps flowing up into the owners pockets and parents dont really give a poo poo so the system will just lurch onwards. TLDR; Teaching English is a silly job, dont do it for more than a year unless you have a reasonable expectation of jumping to a real job.
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Atlas Hugged posted:About three quarters through my GEPIK stint, there was a big GEPIK "training day" at some shithole university in the middle of nowhere, so me and the other guys from way the hell up in Yeoncheon made the two hour trek to it, signed our names in the book, and left after the first lecture consisted of some rear end in a top hat telling us the most effective way to teach was to make the students scrub toilets with you after class to show them how serious you were. Switch "university" to "resort" and we've had the exact same experience (minus the toilet scrubbing). It was a two day event, and after the first lecture of a 10 hour day I took off with my friend and we went to a bar then crashed in a jim-jil-bang and showed up 15 minutes before the conference was over to pick up our certificates. Barudak posted:I think easily half the cost of my wedding was the booze for all ~350 people who showed up. This did not end well for my groomsmen who were goaded into massive over drinking by the family member we assigned to translate for them who was a woman who spoke broken English and basically spent the wedding harassing guests to toast them while telling my groomsmen if they didn't drink the toast they weren't real men and dishonored my family but obviously she didn't need to drink as she was a woman. My wedding was $1500 for the actual ceremony where a company hooked us up with a film crew, arranged 5 limos for us, and rented out 3 restaurants for the 200 guests. The other $1500 went to two days of wedding photos where I had to almost literally physically force them to stop photoshopping stupid Chinese poems and English gibberish (and lots of lens flares) into every single photo. It wasn't until two China threads ago that I was told that I didn't have to do a shot of Baijiu for every table toast and could have subbed it with water. After ~20 toasts (one per table) I was barely able to stand. Blistex fucked around with this message at 07:54 on Jan 6, 2017 |
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Blistex posted:It wasn't until two China threads ago that I was told that I didn't have to do a shot of Baijiu for every table toast and could have subbed it with water. After ~20 toasts (ten per table) I was barely able to stand. 台灣第一名。
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Fleta Mcgurn posted:I was frequently a target for train gropers. I have unusually large boobs and people and small animals just sort of get sucked in there due to their gravitational pull. That's pretty much sexual assault. You didn't cause a scene? It's weird to me that those demure-seeming Japanese men love to train grope so much
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Phlegmish posted:That's pretty much sexual assault. You didn't cause a scene? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women-only_passenger_car#Japan
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Blistex posted:Abe is a bit of a oval office and stated in a newspaper article back in 2007 that there was no evidence that the Japanese government had kept sex slaves. Later in the month the Japanese parliament issued an official apology basically saying, "we know it happened, we're sorry, also we're sorry about Abe". Then again Korea is famous for getting butthurt over stuff well after the fact. It's one of those things that is absolutely 100% true and not disputable in any way given the 10,000s of testimonies and witness statements but for some reason Japan has constantly tired to deflect with either "It didn't happen like that" or "No you see they were willing prostitutes getting banged by 40-50 men a day until their wombs fell out"
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Phlegmish posted:That's pretty much sexual assault. You didn't cause a scene? It IS sexual assault and there were several times I did make a scene. Some guys are really sneaky about it and will do this maneuver where they walk over to a woman standing near a door, next to a pole, hold on to it up high, then ever-so casually slide their hand down and over your breast as they exit the train. By the time you open your mouth, they're long gone. Or they'll "lose their balance" and fall in your lap, and their hands JUST HAPPEN to land on your chest. The best way to deal with this is to grab the fucker by the hand and hoist it over their head while screaming "CHIKAN!!!!!!!!" Other people definitely pay attention and will absolutely yell at him/shove him away from you. The easiest way to deal with it is have an Australian boyfriend who's an amateur MMA fighter and has severe anger issues. He punched the guy, who staggered into the door just as it was opening. Groper made a run for it and my ex screamed GO ON WITHOUT ME and took off after him. That was pretty awesome. Japanese men are sexually frustrated- a lot of families sleep in the same room, Japanese people gently caress less than pandas overall, a lot of men basically only gently caress hookers because they don't even have time to go home and try to gently caress the waifu, and arranged marriages are still a thing and don't always make for a good sex life- and I think their frustration manifests itself in strange ways. I mean, the amount of cash some guys blow on hostesses who are absolutely not screwing them...it blows my mind. And on the train, if you're quick and quiet, you can get away with it. I once had a guy shove his briefcase under my skirt, just like in that X-Change game. It didn't work out for him.
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BONGHITZ posted:8th dan subway groper Oh god, this was an article from more than a decade ago. But there was literally a public groper club where the leader "trained" other gropers and gave belts for their supposed level of skill. Higher levels involved jogging regularly so they could more easily evade police. They would hire women to help them practice groping, etc.
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EasternBronze posted:TLDR; Teaching English is a silly job, dont do it for more than a year unless you have a reasonable expectation of jumping to a real job.  I'm in my ... 11th? year of teaching. It's all I ever wanted to do but now I'm wondering what possible other career is even open at this point.
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Cumslut1895 posted:Organ farming? He wouldn't survive the turf war with the CCP.
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Jose posted:The government are cracking down on football teams spending obscene amounts of money to get players to go to a poo poo league in china
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Jan 6, 2017 14:39
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