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Elena has just been working Nate for a crazy story, and now that she has his whole backstory she can finally reveal the whole marriage was a sham. She's also glad there's not a real Nathan Drake she's married to, just a Nate Morgan she sometimes lives with. So she doesn't have to worry about a messy divorce or anything.
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So Nate was actually descended from Henry Morgan all along.
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Esoteric Banana posted:Elena has just been working Nate for a crazy story, and now that she has his whole backstory she can finally reveal the whole marriage was a sham. She's also glad there's not a real Nathan Drake she's married to, just a Nate Morgan she sometimes lives with. So she doesn't have to worry about a messy divorce or anything. Nooooooooooo  the ultimate third act betrayal
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I'm several pages late on this but it may be worth remembering that Sam was sprung from prison 2 years ago in game time, and Nadine only recently inherited her PMC from her dad and it's in poor financial straits. Shoreline as a whole might be a terrible company but it's entirely feasible Nadine's been mostly in partnership with Rafe doing treasure-hunting for most of the time she's been running the company.
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bobjr posted:Also Sam might have thought Nate would have said no if he said he's going to be going up against a private army. Granted Nate's already dealt with three of those and came up on top, but Sam doesn't really know that. No, he knows. Remember at the beginning, where you get to choose which Uncharted game you want to talk to Sam about first? And then it fades out to imply he and Nate spend the day going over his old adventures. edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJveyrf1YTc&t=142s the relevant video ^ Ysengrin fucked around with this message at 01:49 on Jan 7, 2017 |
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standard owl posted:Middle-aged white men and their emotional problems are so, so far removed from my life and perspective that I am basically watching this LP like an anthropologist studying an isolated tribe. yes this includes Sam, Nate, and gently caress I guess Rafe too? What's up with that guy?? Of all of Chip and Ironicus's LPs so far, this has probably helped me understand old white men the most. Watch_Dogs actually hurt my knowledge more than anything, but I'm really looking forward to MGSV: the Phantom Manpain to round the whole experience out. Yeah but Elena made it to Libertalia, unlike Nicky, who's never coming back
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guns for tits posted:Yeah but Elena made it to Libertalia, unlike Nicky, who's never coming back I just watched that a week ago make it stop
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I'm not as hard on the Cassandra's sudden death thing, largely because she is a very old, unhealthy woman who's just suffered a rather severe shock. Not only a break-in, but then the horror of nearly shooting her protege's sons - it's entirely believable her heart disease could act up, at least in generic Dramatic Heart Disease form (as opposed to realistic heart disease). I really feel bad for her, to be honest.
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I wonder if ND was consciously visually quoting the famous English explorer Mary Kingsley in Evelyn's design? Can't find any specific reference to it, but the first picture of Evelyn with Ken realllllly reminded me of her.
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guns for tits posted:Yeah but Elena made it to Libertalia, unlike Nicky, who's never coming back I'm holding out for the Watch Dogs 2 Season pass
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Jetrauben posted:I'm not as hard on the Cassandra's sudden death thing, largely because she is a very old, unhealthy woman who's just suffered a rather severe shock. Not only a break-in, but then the horror of nearly shooting her protege's sons - it's entirely believable her heart disease could act up, at least in generic Dramatic Heart Disease form (as opposed to realistic heart disease). nah, she seemed like a bad person
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bewilderment posted:I'm several pages late on this but it may be worth remembering that Sam was sprung from prison 2 years ago in game time, and Nadine only recently inherited her PMC from her dad and it's in poor financial straits. Shoreline as a whole might be a terrible company but it's entirely feasible Nadine's been mostly in partnership with Rafe doing treasure-hunting for most of the time she's been running the company. the good news is the more mooks get killed the less she has to spend on payroll. We're helping!
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double nine posted:the good news is the more mooks get killed the less she has to spend on payroll. However, with such a large PMC like Shoreline, Acccidental Death & Dismemberment policy and Hazard Pay would most likely be a thing, so either way, she's losing money.
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:nah, she seemed like a bad person she's basically what Nate could have become if he had continued down the Uncharted 3 path and what Sam is on the road to becoming now--valuing treasure and discoveries above all else to the extent that it destroys her relationships with her family/loved ones
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Have your loved ones gold-plated. Best of both worlds.
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standard owl posted:Okay, I've thought about it some more and bobjr posted:Also Sam might have thought Nate would have said no if he said he's going to be going up against a private army. I think it's a little of both? I think Sam approached Nate without any sort of plan beyond "let's find Avery's treasure and finish mom's work," but after hearing about Nate's adventures and subsequent retirement, made up the Alcazar thing to get him back in the game.
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" isn't a compelling enough reason for Nate to join him. Because he's so obsessed with the hunt, this seems like a perfectly acceptable thing to do, even though it's apparent that he knows it's not right.
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One thing to note: it kinda now makes sense why Sam chafed at even Sully being involved at first, beyond any petty past feud he might have had. He wanted it to strictly be a Drake affair.
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Jetrauben posted:I'm not as hard on the Cassandra's sudden death thing, largely because she is a very old, unhealthy woman who's just suffered a rather severe shock. Not only a break-in, but then the horror of nearly shooting her protege's sons - it's entirely believable her heart disease could act up, at least in generic Dramatic Heart Disease form (as opposed to realistic heart disease). Cassandra is their mother, who's already long dead. The old lady was Evelyn.
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So if I'm getting this right, Dad Morgan complained about his wife's job, sold her things after she died, and then dropped their kids off at an orphanage. That's...wow, he may actually be the shittiest person in Uncharted.
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Funky Valentine posted:So if I'm getting this right, Dad Morgan complained about his wife's job, sold her things after she died, and then dropped their kids off at an orphanage. Strong contender, I suppose, but let's be fair, that's still a REALLY bold claim.
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I have a hot take: I think Rafe is, though vicious, not the villain of the story. He's repeatedly offered the Drakes a chance to back out, he bought Sam out of jail on good faith, etc. He's basically become a murderous dick because of how Sam and Nate react to him. He's also not a serial war criminal and has probably killed the least people of all characters in the game. Lotsa notes!
It's very interesting to me that we never find out Evelyn's last name, nor the name of her granddaughter. That's just speculation, though. Funky Valentine posted:So if I'm getting this right, Dad Morgan complained about his wife's job, sold her things after she died, and then dropped their kids off at an orphanage. To be a bit more explicit, I'm wondering if Cassandra is Eddie's daughter. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 20:26 on Jan 7, 2017 |
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Discendo Vox posted:I have a hot take: I think Rafe is, though vicious, not the villain of the story. He's repeatedly offered the Drakes a chance to back out, he bought Sam out of jail on good faith, etc. He's basically become a murderous dick because of how Sam and Nate react to him. He's also not a serial war criminal and has probably killed the least people of all characters in the game. I mean, I don't think "giving lots of chances to back out" really counts if you're interspersing those offers with murder attempts. And while Rafe may not actually be a war criminal or personally killing people, he's still allying himself with the war crime-committing PMC and sending them to kill the Drake boys and Sully.
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Rafe sure personally killed a corrupt Panamanian prison warden with a Shiv though. All because the guy dared asked for a cut of the money (and probably more importantly, the fame).Discendo Vox posted:the medical equipment The Medical equipment is probably Ken's, it seemed implied he died of cancer.
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Galaga Galaxian posted:Rafe sure personally killed a corrupt Panamanian prison warden with a Shiv though. All because the guy dared asked for a cut of the money (and probably more importantly, the fame). to be fair, he was warned not to open that envelope.
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Galaga Galaxian posted:Rafe sure personally killed a corrupt Panamanian prison warden with a Shiv though. All because the guy dared asked for a cut of the money (and probably more importantly, the fame). I doubt that, they had obviously separated at that point and with all that medication there, I don't think they would let you keep all that medication you know?
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Sinners Sandwich posted:I doubt that, they had obviously separated at that point and with all that medication there, I don't think they would let you keep all that medication you know? Who, in the 80s, was in charge of making sure that the home of an invalid was cleared of all the medication the patient had when they move out?
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chitoryu12 posted:Who, in the 80s, was in charge of making sure that the home of an invalid was cleared of all the medication the patient had when they move out? Adam Smith
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Funky Valentine posted:So if I'm getting this right, Dad Morgan complained about his wife's job, sold her things after she died, and then dropped their kids off at an orphanage.
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Uncharted 5 is Sam hunting the treasure of the lost childhood and lovely Dad.
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achillesforever6 posted:Yeah that is some German Folklore/Evil Stepmother poo poo tbf Mom Morgan isn't the best mom either. All that climbing/jumping isn't good for the fetus.
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Funky Valentine posted:So if I'm getting this right, Dad Morgan complained about his wife's job, sold her things after she died, and then dropped their kids off at an orphanage. achillesforever6 posted:Yeah that is some German Folklore/Evil Stepmother poo poo Playing devil's advocate, but while Mr. Morgan did sell off Cassandra's stuff to Evelyn after she died, we don't know for sure how the boys wound up in the orphanage (unless of course I'm forgetting something). He could've died in a car accident for all we know. What information we've been told about the guy is being filtered through the perception of a hot-headed, reckless nineteen year old. KeiraWalker fucked around with this message at 02:01 on Jan 8, 2017 |
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Discendo Vox posted:To be a bit more explicit, I'm wondering if Cassandra is Eddie's daughter. as something of a firsthand expert on mixed race families and what we look like, there is absolutely no way that nathan and sam are an eighth japanese 
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The White Dragon posted:as something of a firsthand expert on mixed race families and what we look like, there is absolutely no way that nathan and sam are an eighth japanese Disagreed! It just depends on how the genetic dice roll out! But I don't think Nathan and Sam are related to Evelyn, cause why wouldn't their baddad dump them on her instead of the orphanage?
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stone cold posted:Disagreed! It just depends on how the genetic dice roll out! unless he didn't know about her? i still think this is a bit too far of a reach though.
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It's pretty obvious that they aren't related because Evelyn clearly knows who Cassandra Morgan is and gave no indication whatsoever that they might be related.
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Clarste posted:It's pretty obvious that they aren't related because Evelyn clearly knows who Cassandra Morgan is and gave no indication whatsoever that they might be related. While that's true, Cassandra being Evelyn's granddaughter would have made some sense. It would explain how Cassandra's journals ended up in Evelyn's house, and her sudden change of heart upon learning that Nate and Sam are her kids. Yes, having them just be colleagues also works, but also continues to highlight Evelyn's failure - she might be rich and famous, but at the cost of her family. Having Cassandra be Evelyn's granddaughter allows for her to have learned from her mistakes, and connected with what family she had. As for why Papa Morgan didn't drop Sam and Nate off with Evelyn (assuming he didn't die suddenly), as well as why he sent her journals to Evelyn instead of keeping them, it's possible that he got sick of Cassandra's obsession, and wanted to keep their kids away from it as much as possible (though, clearly that didn't work). Again, we only have Sam's interpretation of events - he may have only seen his mom taking them around the world on cool adventures, not that she was constantly uprooting her family ("why bother [unpacking]? We'll just be gone in a month."). And that would again echo the general theme of the game - people wrecking their lives because of their obsessions, rather than finding contentment with their current status.
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Captain Francis Drake Morgan. But please, call me Drake. That's what everyone calls me.
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Apep727 posted:While that's true, Cassandra being Evelyn's granddaughter would have made some sense. It would explain how Cassandra's journals ended up in Evelyn's house, Sam tells Nate that someone bought a bunch of their mom's old stuff. it didn't just wind up there for no explained reason. she bought her protege's stuff because she was brilliant and she had some affection for her
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