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Main Paineframe posted:Getting the maximum sentence is incredibly unlikely, but I don't think anyone knows beyond that. The thing to keep in mind is that this isn't the Israeli justice system, it's the Israeli military justice system, and there's a lot of political ramifications too since Azariya has a lot of sympathizers. The fact that he was even prosecuted at all was unusual (usually there would be a cover-up), so there isn't much precedent to look back on as a guide. Personally, I think he'll get a couple of years in addition to what he's already served - they didn't go to all the trouble of having this trial just to give him a slap on the wrist, but throwing the book at him increases the risk of political intervention. Since the legitimacy of the IDF itself is on the line here, they'll avoid extremely low or extremely high sentences and give him something that's low-ish but just high enough to not be perceived as a free pass. The whole purpose of this trial is to prevent a scenario were the PA can appeal to the ICC for arbitration in case Israel is shown to have no interest in policing and prosecuting members of the IDF. In my opinion nothing beyond a slap in the wrist has ever been on the cards. Now Dear Leader has also joined the "Pardon" choir. http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4903190,00.html
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Sinteres posted:Congratulations for not being as bad as a convicted murderer. Thank you friend. Edited for me being stupid. Yardbomb fucked around with this message at 22:22 on Jan 4, 2017 |
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Jan 4, 2017 21:49
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Yardbomb posted:Thank you friend, but in reality I do legitimately hope he gets butthole cancer or something equally awful for being a monster, getting little pats on the back and cheerleading from similarly monstrous people. Why can't it be "I hope he gets a legitimate sentencing within the structure of law and civilization and that said sentence successfully rehabilitates his violent impulses and curtails his bigotry enough for him to rejoin and become a successful member of society." You know, instead of being horrible?
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If the NYT is anything to go by, Dear Leader is about to go down on corruption charges. http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/03/world/middleeast/israel-netanyahu-graft-investigation.html Reading between the lines on this piece, the general sentiment is that Israeli government is already hilariously corrupt.
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M_Gargantua posted:Why can't it be "I hope he gets a legitimate sentencing within the structure of law and civilization and that said sentence successfully rehabilitates his violent impulses and curtails his bigotry enough for him to rejoin and become a successful member of society." Yeah, if wishing extrajudicial death on people for crimes is fine, the soldier wouldn't really be all that bad since his victim was obviously a criminal and attempted murderer himself. The soldier is a criminal and awful person specifically because proportionate responses to crimes through legitimate legal processes are important.
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Yardbomb posted:Thank you friend, but in reality I do legitimately hope he gets butthole cancer or something equally awful for being a monster, getting little pats on the back and cheerleading from similarly monstrous people. go be edgy somewhere else
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I'm also not really a fan of "I hope X gets rear end cancer" specifically because it sorta evokes the same kind feeling as a somewhat more politically correct version of "I hope X is raped in the butt in prison" which is...more than a little problematic.
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Sinteres posted:Congratulations for not being as bad as a convicted murderer. He's not though. That's the worst part.
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Ytlaya posted:I'm also not really a fan of "I hope X gets rear end cancer" specifically because it sorta evokes the same kind feeling as a somewhat more politically correct version of "I hope X is raped in the butt in prison" which is...more than a little problematic. He already said the guy should be hosed to death by a mule, so yeah.
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emanresu tnuocca posted:The whole purpose of this trial is to prevent a scenario were the PA can appeal to the ICC for arbitration in case Israel is shown to have no interest in policing and prosecuting members of the IDF. In my opinion nothing beyond a slap in the wrist has ever been on the cards. The purpose is also to protect discipline and make an example of him in order to teach potential copycats to be less blatant about their murders, check for cameras, clear their actions with commanders first, and make a show of at least pretending to be defending themselves. They'll punish him at least a little, just to discourage potential loose cannons.
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Ytlaya posted:I'm also not really a fan of "I hope X gets rear end cancer" specifically because it sorta evokes the same kind feeling as a somewhat more politically correct version of "I hope X is raped in the butt in prison" which is...more than a little problematic. Never said that and never will and never will say anything with any intention to be any kind of condoning statement to that, because I'd sooner gladly slap someone in the mouth for making those jokes. My apologies for making a dumb real crude joke though thread, I just hope the cold blooded murder actually gets punished by his government but it's like a 1% chance of happening if even that, so I'm just more sad and angry he'll probably get away with being a national hero for executing a defenseless man, whose people he and his government are already working towards ethnically cleansing. poo poo sucks and I do honestly mean the apology and whatever else.
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Yardbomb posted:Never said that and never will and never will say anything with any intention to be any kind of condoning statement to that, because I'd sooner gladly slap someone the mouth for making those jokes. I don't think you're a bad person or anything, and my issue was more with the connotations of that specific joke (which I don't think people who make that joke are necessarily even conscious of) rather than "wishing bad things on bad people" jokes/statements in general.
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Main Paineframe posted:The purpose is also to protect discipline and make an example of him in order to teach potential copycats to be less blatant about their murders, check for cameras, clear their actions with commanders first, and make a show of at least pretending to be defending themselves. They'll punish him at least a little, just to discourage potential loose cannons. These exist on a continuum.
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House Republicans are planning to propose a bill that would either reduce funding for or completely defund the UN depending on what the final language in the bill is. As you might guess this is just because of the UN Israel resolution which ultimately means nothing. Some GOP House members are outright threatening the UN that they will defund the organization if they don't remove that resolution.
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FlamingLiberal posted:House Republicans are planning to propose a bill that would either reduce funding for or completely defund the UN depending on what the final language in the bill is. As you might guess this is just because of the UN Israel resolution which ultimately means nothing. Some GOP House members are outright threatening the UN that they will defund the organization if they don't remove that resolution. If I was Xi I would be creaming right now at the thought of moving the UN HQ to Beijing.
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sincx posted:If I was Xi I would be creaming right now at the thought of moving the UN HQ to Beijing. They aren't leaving NY, but if they did they'd go somewhere nice and uncontroversial like Switzerland instead of a smog-filled dictatorship.
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dont even fink about it posted:If the NYT is anything to go by, Dear Leader is about to go down on corruption charges. What level of hilarious corruption are we looking at here? Quebec? America? China? A 70s banana republic?
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MonsieurChoc posted:What level of hilarious corruption are we looking at here? Quebec? America? China? A 70s banana republic? A Middle East 5, which is an 8 everywhere in Europe outside of Greece and Italy.
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our issue is that we've evolved beyond empathy and until we rediscover the art of peace we will never be the light amongst the nations and will be doomed to a life of perpetual flight
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Avshalom posted:our issue is that we've evolved beyond empathy and until we rediscover the art of peace we will never be the light amongst the nations and will be doomed to a life of perpetual flight
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How is that bad for Corbyn?
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FlamingLiberal posted:How is that bad for Corbyn? Everything is bad for Corbyn, and Corbyn is bad at everything. At least according to the UKPOL thread, as far as I understand. That said, Corbyn has been accused of antisemitism a lot of times, so he could be one of the targets.
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Corbyn's bad at everything, but from what I understand from the coup attempts within Labour earlier, there's not really anyone else in Labour who's in any position to oust him, he seems more than happy to allow the Blairites to cry and purge themselves from the party, and Labour's base isn't going to flee back into the arms of the Blairites because Israel said Corbyn's an antisemite.
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Please don't let UKMT leak into here. It will only end in tears. 
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New alleged corruption scandal, it seems like Bibi might have gotten a little too greedy? who knows.quote:Media tycoon Arnon Mozes is the businessman who negotiated a quid pro quo with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, in conversations caught on tape that came to light on Sunday.
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And people roll their eyes at me when I say ynet is garbage.
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It's all garbage. In addition, there was an Alleged Terror Attack in Jerusalem where a truck driver from East Jerusalem ran over a crows of pedestrians, killing at least 4 and injuring another 15.
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Dutch news is saying it was Israeli military on an excursion tour to some observation point or whatever (they probably mean a place with a nice view?) who got rammed twice as they were disembarking their bus.
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The Israeli media describes the victims as "youths in their twenties", no word on them being soldiers or not. On the other hand according to the reports there were plenty of soldiers in the scene soon after or during the attack, so who knows.
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I enjoy the contrast between the phrases "youths in their twenties" and "military aged males".
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Yeah that's some really devious spin. Ma'an News has a video of the attack on their site and it seems like they were all from the IDF. Also, if I'm not mistaken they were on occupied territory.
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In a country that practices conscription, "youths in their twenties" and "soldiers" are just about synonyms.
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A narrative is forming that the reason that most of the soldiers/cadets ran away instead of shooting the culprit is because of uncertainty resulting from the Azaria verdict. Look forward to stronger calls for amnesty and demands for less rigorous arms use policies.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:A narrative is forming that the reason that most of the soldiers/cadets ran away instead of shooting the culprit is because of uncertainty resulting from the Azaria verdict. Look forward to stronger calls for amnesty and demands for less rigorous arms use policies. Yes of course this narrative kinda glances over the rather trivial fact that the soldiers, including the one who actually began spreading this narrative, opened fire roughly 6 seconds after the truck hit the crowd, it took a bit longer to "neutralize" the driver as he at first drove past them and it's a bit difficult to shoot the driver of a flatbed truck from the rear.
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Yes of course this narrative kinda glances over the rather trivial fact that the soldiers, including the one who actually began spreading this narrative, opened fire roughly 6 seconds after the truck hit the crowd, it took a bit longer to "neutralize" the driver as he at first drove past them and it's a bit difficult to shoot the driver of a flatbed truck from the rear. "Fact"? Pish. You could prove anything with "facts".
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