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open24hours
Jan 7, 2001

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/jan/09/sussan-ley-used-taxpayer-money-for-gold-coast-events-with-multi-millionaire

Of all the terrible businesses she could have been involved in, this is up there with the worst of them. Might as well be manufacturing land mines.

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iajanus
Aug 17, 2004

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Socialism 'on the march' to blame for Sussan Ley standing down over expenses controversy: Bronwyn Bishop posted:


Former speaker Bronwyn Bishop has jumped to the defence of Sussan Ley, accusing socialists of tearing her down and arguing that double standards exist for women and men in politics.

Ms Bishop, who was herself forced to resign after claiming $5227 in taxpayer-funded expenses for a helicopter ride to a Liberal Party fundraiser, said Ms Ley's critics were ideologically motivated and fuelled by the "Twitterati" and 24-hour news.

Ms Ley stood aside as Health Minister on Monday morning pending the outcome of an investigation into her travel claims, following revelations she bought an $800,000 apartment on a taxpayer-funded trip to Gold Coast and has taken 27 flights in and out of the area in recent years, including two for New Year's Eve engagements.

Ms Bishop said that she didn't have specific knowledge of how Ms Ley's travel was arranged "but I do know that there are socialists out there who want to attack free enterprise and anyone who sticks up for it. And I know that socialists, like alcoholics, will blame anyone but themselves. And whereas alcoholics can damage their own families, socialists can destroy the whole country."

The former speaker said the two inquiries into Ms Ley's expenses - by the Department of Finance and Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet - should be allowed to run their course without the cabinet minister "being attacked by people behaving like a pack of dogs".

"But let's understand that there are people out there who wish to destroy free enterprise and those who stick up for it. Whereas socialism, which is always on the march, if you expose it, it can be defeated. And be under no illusions, whenever you see some of these arguments come to the fore, there will always be an ideological component," the former member for Mackellar told Sky News.

"But what's this got to do with socialism?" pressed host Laura Jayes.

"A lot, a lot. Socialists will always blame anyone but themselves."

Ms Bishop also criticised Labor for its response.

Acting opposition leader Penny Wong was quick to criticise Ms Ley's explanation - and Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull's decision not to sack the minister - at a press conference on Monday.

"I found it pretty, pretty disgusting to see the Labor sending out a woman to attack another woman this morning. I don't think that's a good look either," Ms Bishop said.

"And to be blunt, if you look at the socialist side of the Labor Party, you look at the people in there and the blokes who have...done many more things like that and, quite frankly, nothing happens. So I think there's one rule for some and a different rule for others."

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop
At least jump to the questions towards the end. The journos certainly smelt blood in the water and gave her precisely no quarter.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006



Woman receiving hundreds of thousands of dollars from the taxpayers every year for the rest of her life complains about leaners.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Yes let's listen to this university drop out that immediately went to be a Liberal party intern and history rememebers as The Worst Speaker in History.

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



What does "shits lipids" in the context of centrelink mean anyway?



Jesus

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.
Free enterprise = using public office to get a jump on market competitors

norp
Jan 20, 2004

TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP

let's invade New Zealand, they have oil

loving secret communists, making us steal government money

ewe2
Jul 1, 2009

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN posted:

What does "shits lipids" in the context of centrelink mean anyway?

A convoluted way of saying "garbage in, garbage out". Lipid excretion can be analysed for heart disease, cholesterol etc, so that gives you an idea of Birmingham's contempt for the malware.

Aesculus
Mar 22, 2013

Lid posted:

WE WARNED YE ABOUT SPLITS


So we're three for three in federal leaders telling Left Renewal to gently caress off.

:rip: The Greens as an actual leftist party, too good for this world.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
Socialists have knocked off Sussan Ley so maybe left renewal is good for something.

Recoome
Nov 9, 2013

Matter of fact, I'm salty now.
Socialists win again

Recoome
Nov 9, 2013

Matter of fact, I'm salty now.
Sorry I mean good guys win again

Aesculus
Mar 22, 2013

I mean, she's not wrong that there are absolutely double standards. Solution: Guillotine the entire liberal party as equals.

Frogfingers
Oct 10, 2012
Somebody let Bronny off the burn. I've never seen anyone so salty, bitter and sour all at the same time.

This isn't the first time she's sounded off about reds under the bed since her retirement, is it?

Les Affaires
Nov 15, 2004

What's her view of agrarian socialists?

Frogfingers
Oct 10, 2012

Les Affaires posted:

What's her view of agrarian socialists?

From the chopper window.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Frogfingers posted:

From the chopper window.

:golfclap:

Starshark
Dec 22, 2005
Doctor Rope

quote:

Ms Bishop, who was herself forced to resign after claiming $5227 in taxpayer-funded expenses for a helicopter ride to a Liberal Party fundraiser, said Ms Ley's critics were ideologically motivated and fuelled by the "Twitterati" and 24-hour news.

Wasn't it a newspaper that usually fellates the LNP (ie, the Herald Sun) that broke the story?

xPanda
Feb 6, 2003

Was that me or the door?
B-Bishop seems to forget who the Liberal Party trotted out to fire back at Gillard after the misogyny speech. Sure wasn't Abbott.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
I vaguely remember reading somewhere that the helicopter story was the end result of a leak from one of Bronwyn's enemies in the Liberal party. Do you think the same thought of thing could be going on with Ley?

Frogfingers
Oct 10, 2012

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

I vaguely remember reading somewhere that the helicopter story was the end result of a leak from one of Bronwyn's enemies in the Liberal party. Do you think the same thought of thing could be going on with Ley?

Just going by that leak angle alone the first cui bono I could think of is Sinodinos, the new interim health minister.

ewe2
Jul 1, 2009

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

I vaguely remember reading somewhere that the helicopter story was the end result of a leak from one of Bronwyn's enemies in the Liberal party. Do you think the same thought of thing could be going on with Ley?

It's obvious to me that it is. The guns have been out for her for a while, though. That list of her trips comes from the beginning of last year. This is a right faction stitch-up, it could be any of them and likely to be a combination.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008

ewe2 posted:

It's obvious to me that it is. The guns have been out for her for a while, though. That list of her trips comes from the beginning of last year. This is a right faction stitch-up, it could be any of them and likely to be a combination.

A former Health Minister/PM with a grudge?

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
both stories came from the same herald sun journalist.

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

A former Health Minister/PM with a grudge?

I wonder how many more Turnbull supporters are going to be kneecapped by the Budgie Smuggler Brigade.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

both stories came from the same herald sun journalist.

Why did the right want to get rid of Bronny though? If it's just case she was poo poo I literally can't believe it.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

Why did the right want to get rid of Bronny though? If it's just case she was poo poo I literally can't believe it.

She betrayed Tony in the leadership vote even after he humiliated himself over choppergate for her.

Starshark
Dec 22, 2005
Doctor Rope
Can someone post First Dog to save me looking for it. :effort:

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008

Starshark posted:

Can someone post First Dog to save me looking for it. :effort:

Magog
Jan 9, 2010

norp posted:

loving secret communists, have the temerity to question a capitalists right to steal government money

Fixed.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."
Do you think Ley is pissed that Bishop offered her support?

I would be.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008

hooman
Oct 11, 2007

This guy seems legit.
Fun Shoe

Frogfingers posted:

Somebody let Bronny off the burn. I've never seen anyone so salty, bitter and sour all at the same time.

This isn't the first time she's sounded off about reds under the bed since her retirement, is it?

Counterpoint: Bill Leak

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

She betrayed Tony in the leadership vote even after he humiliated himself over choppergate for her.

Oh I thought you meant the choppergate stuff was leaked to the same Hun journo as Ley's.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

Oh I thought you meant the choppergate stuff was leaked to the same Hun journo as Ley's.

It was, if indeed there was a leak.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008


quote:

Sussan Ley looked at Gold Coast property before buying ‘on a whim’


SIDELINED health minister Sussan Ley used a taxpayer-funded trip to inspect a Gold Coast property nine months before the 2015 purchase of a luxury apartment she said had been unplanned, vendors claim.

The Herald Sun can reveal Ms Ley made an unsuccessful bid on a property in 2014, before later billing the taxpayer thousands of dollars in ­airfares, accommodation and taxi fares for the trip.

Ms Ley stood down on Monday from the ministry pending two investigations of her taxpayer-funded Gold Coast trips, and the latest revelations put her future in further doubt.

Her ministerial colleagues now believe she will struggle to return to the front bench, as the government moves to fast-track reforms of parliamentary entitlements instigated after the scandal over the then-Speaker Bronwyn Bishop’s helicopter flight to Geelong in late 2014.

Ms Ley, who has agreed to partly reimburse taxpayers for four trips to the Gold Coast, maintained on Monday that “no rules were broken”.

But the Albury-based MP’s troubles could worsen after retired couple Adrienne and Stewart McEachran came forward to claim that she and her partner, Graham Johnston, inspected their home in Advancetown, in the Gold Coast hinterland, in late August and on September 8 in 2014.

Government documents reveal that Ms Ley billed taxpayers more than $2000 in travel costs for a long weekend on the Gold Coast from September 5 to 8, 2014.

The costs included $720 for two nights of travel allowance, more than $1000 in flights to and from Coolangatta, and $271 for a hire car.

Ms Ley refused to answer queries on the latest claims.

Ms McEachran said of Ms Ley: “She was friendly and obviously looking to purchase something. She must have been impressed enough that she came back.”

The couple said that in October, Ms Ley made an offer that was about $50,000 below the mid-$700,000 asking price, and they declined.

The couple, both in their late 70s, sold the property for a better price shortly after.

Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull asked Ms Ley to stand aside without ministerial pay until her travel claims had been probed by the secretary of the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet. The Department of Finance will also review her work trips to the Gold Coast.

A defiant Ms Ley faced the media on Monday for the first time since the Herald Sun revealed she purchased a lavish ocean-view apartment during a taxpayer-funded work trip.

“I’m very confident that the investigations will demonstrate that no rules were broken whatsoever,” Ms Ley said.

“I recognise that for people who live in my electorate, who work hard, who understand about living on fixed incomes and have experienced a life I’ve experienced in the past, this has a look that I don’t understand those issues. The opposite is the case.”

Ms Ley also defended trips she made to the Gold Coast on consecutive New Year’s Eves, for which taxpayers covered some of the costs, saying she travelled “at the invitation of a prominent Queensland businesswoman” — believed to be Liberal donor Sarina Russo.

Cabinet secretary Arthur Sinodinos will handle Ms Ley’s portfolios. The inquiry should be over by the time parliament resumes on February 7.

Acting Opposition Leader Penny Wong said the PM’s response was “weak”.



http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/sussan-ley-looked-at-gold-coast-properties-before-buying-on-a-whim/news-story/2c25001cb045fa549454de5f8b1c09d2

I would blow Dane Cook fucked around with this message at 13:31 on Jan 9, 2017

The Peccadillo
Mar 4, 2013

We Have Important Work To Do
Here's a good BBC documentary about world neolib politics sort of failing into a dull eyed managerial system opposed by nothing over the past forty years

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afBmN7icFRw

Not apropos of anything, it's just really good

Futuresight
Oct 11, 2012

IT'S ALL TURNED TO SHIT!
It's extra depressing at how incompetent these people are. Just once I'd like to look up past the boot on my neck and stare into the cold dead eyes of ruthlessly competent evil. Just once I'd like to feel our oppressors earned their spoils through unassailable competence, and to know that the world could never have realistically escaped their clutches. Looking up to see yet another bunch of greedy incompetent clowns is just humiliating and degrading.

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Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.
I will forever put a partial blame on university politics. Most of these assholes emerged from that crop and their entire ambitions are politics as a game and a salary. No convictions, just how to win elections.

Edit: on that note at least some of Left Renewal have started identifying themselves.

Vanamali Hermans
Former Australian Young Greens Campaign Coordinator and NSW Young Greens Co-convenor, current member of Left Renewal. Anarcho-communist

It is no longer an option to let working class people think the far-right will solve their suffering. It is no longer an option to continue red-baiting amongst our ranks and treat socialism as a dirty word. Now more than ever we need to be preparing for a future without capitalism. The Greens need to be supporting participatory, directly democratic politics and empowering workers and communities to take back their lives. That means abandoning liberal politics, abandoning identity politics and adopting a politics of solidarity

Lid fucked around with this message at 14:06 on Jan 9, 2017

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