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Wouldn't be the same Liberal donor Sarina Russo who runs a large job network, would it? I wonder if they just so happen to provide services for the government? Dutch Wink fucked around with this message at 15:41 on Jan 9, 2017 |
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Jan 9, 2017 15:39
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Lid posted:It is no longer an option to let working class people think the far-right will solve their suffering. It is no longer an option to continue red-baiting amongst our ranks and treat socialism as a dirty word. Now more than ever we need to be preparing for a future without capitalism. The Greens need to be supporting participatory, directly democratic politics and empowering workers and communities to take back their lives. That means abandoning liberal politics, abandoning identity politics and adopting a politics of solidarity ok cool so they're morons then
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BBJoey posted:ok cool so they're morons then I don't think that was ever in question.
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Those seem like two of their more sensible suggestions. Identity politics got us Trump and a lack of direct democracy is why we'll never have a federal ICAC.
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Jan 9, 2017 22:43
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open24hours posted:identity politics got us Trump
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open24hours posted:Those seen like two of their more sensible suggestions. identity politics got us Trump and a lack of direct democracy is why we'll never have a federal ICAC. jesus christ you're bad at posting
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Jan 9, 2017 23:14
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It takes some strange cognitive dissonance to advocate direct democracy at the same time as policies the majority of the Australian public would never support.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:gently caress off, no it didn't. I'm pretty sure appeals to White working class identity had something to do with it. Identity politics isn't about embracing people with diverse identities. Senor Tron posted:It takes some strange cognitive dissonance to advocate direct democracy at the same time as policies the majority of the Australian public would never support. You don't think a federal ICAC would get up? open24hours fucked around with this message at 23:37 on Jan 9, 2017 |
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Jan 9, 2017 23:30
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Lid posted:abandoning identity politics and adopting a politics of solidarity  TANKIE ALERT WEEE WOO WEE WOOO
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Jan 9, 2017 23:57
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Did I miss where they outlined what they want to replace capitalism with?
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open24hours posted:I'm pretty sure appeals to White working class identity had something to do with it. Identity politics isn't about embracing people with diverse identities. Trump's white nationalism was a factor, as was the FBI's handling of emails, as was voter suppression, as was a poorly managed campaign. Given how close the result was (~100k voters across 3 states would have flipped it) I don't think Clinton's loss can be easily pinned on one issue.
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That kind of usage should be rejected. Conflating identity politics with the politics of inclusion and non-discrimination is counter productive at best. That someone as seemingly unelectable as Trump was even able to make it a close race, let alone win, shows how powerful appeals to fear and identity can be.
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open24hours posted:You don't think a federal ICAC would get up? That would, but the rest of what they are calling for (things like overthrowing capitalism) simply aren't going to happen.
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open24hours posted:That kind of usage should be rejected. Conflating identity politics with the politics of inclusion and non-discrimination is counter productive at best. and the swastika is a dharmic symbol but whenever i go out wearing my swastika shirt everyone thinks i'm a nazi 
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Yeah, just like when people talk about anarchism they're obviously talking about a Mad Max style society of roving gangs.
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Senor Tron posted:That would, but the rest of what they are calling for (things like overthrowing capitalism) simply aren't going to happen. Overthrowing capitalism just involves worshipping something other than money. Plenty of people care more about their family/community/pet/garden/anime collection/whatever than endlessly increasing their earnings. This is a seperate argument to making sure people earn their fair share, the space that unions (should) occupy.
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fiery_valkyrie posted:Did I miss where they outlined what they want to replace capitalism with? Again and again the Greens have fallen into the trap of believing anti-capitalist, anti-establishment politics aren’t popular with the electorate. But as people continue to suffer under austerity and consecutive conservative governments, this myth quickly starts to unravel. Young people inheriting a broken welfare system, a broken housing market, years of unemployment and catastrophic climate change realise the failures of capitalism. They realise the political elite can no longer smooth out market inconsistencies and that the system has always been rigged against them. For both Gen Y and Millennials, capitalism offers no future, and liberalism’s refusal to address the structural problems leading to this bleak horizon offers no hope. In America, a national Reason-Rupe survey this year found that 53% of people under 30 view socialism favourably. A Harvard University survey similarly found that 51% of people between 18 and 29 do not support capitalism. We don’t have Australian figures available because we haven’t yet had any party or movement bring socialism to the forefront of conversation as Corbyn and Sanders have done in the UK and US respectively. With Labor, a fundamentally neoliberal institution, now pandering to the far-right’s economic nationalism in calls to stop migrants on 457 visas “undermining Australian pay & conditions”, the idea of the party ever starting this conversation and addressing material conditions — rather than continuing to create working class anxiety — seems almost unfathomable. Countering the faux-progressive politics of Labor should then be the priority of the Greens. Yet instead, we see the party seeking to delegitimise far-left politics, attempting to purge socialists from its ranks and continuing to focus on ‘professionalisation’. As I wrote in an issue of GreenMail this year with Ishtiaq Rahman, the adoption of a centrist approach during the 2016 federal election resulted in the deliberate choice to abandon the party’s more ‘radical’ policies; the very same policies that many members joined for. (Anarcho-communism also) We have come into existence as we believe it is necessary for a Greens project which is principled and engages in social movements. Parliamentary success is a means, not an end.
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asio posted:Overthrowing capitalism just involves worshipping something other than money. Plenty of people care more about their family/community/pet/garden/anime collection/whatever than endlessly increasing their earnings. This is a seperate argument to making sure people earn their fair share, the space that unions (should) occupy. Bring on the Animeritocracy.
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hooman posted:Bring on the Animeritocracy.
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Lid posted:Again and again the Greens have fallen into the trap of believing anti-capitalist, anti-establishment politics aren’t popular with the electorate. But as people continue to suffer under austerity and consecutive conservative governments, this myth quickly starts to unravel. Young people inheriting a broken welfare system, a broken housing market, years of unemployment and catastrophic climate change realise the failures of capitalism. They realise the political elite can no longer smooth out market inconsistencies and that the system has always been rigged against them. For both Gen Y and Millennials, capitalism offers no future, and liberalism’s refusal to address the structural problems leading to this bleak horizon offers no hope. The Greens were always bad. Push Left Renewal.
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Jan 10, 2017 02:57
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 Also Bronwyn Bishop said socialism is bad.
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Jan 10, 2017 03:04
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I would like to abolish currency and invent matter replicators, does anyone have a spare trillion dollars?
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The Before Times posted:I would like to abolish currency and invent matter replicators, does anyone have a spare trillion dollars? Are you a failing bank? If so then boy do we have a deal for you.
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Cartoon posted:And Pantsu for all! No pantsu, why voting?
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Jan 10, 2017 03:11
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That capitalism oversaw the spread of anime is its greatest crime.
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Lid posted:For both Gen Y and Millennials i was onboard until they claimed gen y and millennials are two separate generations
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quote:The Greens and senator Nick Xenophon have vowed to push for reforms of parliamentary expenses after the Coalition’s travel controversies widened with revelations four ministers billed taxpayers to attend a New Year’s function hosted by Malcolm Turnbull.
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Higsian posted:That capitalism oversaw the spread of anime is its greatest crime.
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Higsian posted:That capitalism oversaw the spread of anime is its greatest crime. 
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Re #notmydebt my Canadian doctor told me today that Centerlink sent him a demand for $14k before Christmas, and he'd never gotten payments from them, so how he was even on their system is a question mark. He rang them back, they admitted they had no idea how this had happened and he told them they'd be billed for wasting his time 
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ewe2 posted:Re #notmydebt my Canadian doctor told me today that Centerlink sent him a demand for $14k before Christmas, and he'd never gotten payments from them, so how he was even on their system is a question mark. He rang them back, they admitted they had no idea how this had happened and he told them they'd be billed for wasting his time How does a doctor find the spare 2 hours to call Centrelink?
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:How does a doctor find the spare 2 hours to call Centrelink? Now you know the reason behind long waiting times at the doctors
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:How does a doctor find the spare 2 months plus 3 hours on hold to call Centrelink?
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Everyone should see I, Daniel Blake if you want to relive the anxiety of centrelink on the big screen. It's a pretty good movie, makes you cry though.
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:How does a doctor find the spare 2 hours to call Centrelink? That's why he's billing them.
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My letter of demand from Centrelink hasn't arrived yet.  The only income they asked me to confirm matched the big pile of payslips I've got so I should be able to fight whatever they come up with.
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ewe2 posted:Re #notmydebt my Canadian doctor told me today that Centerlink sent him a demand for $14k before Christmas, and he'd never gotten payments from them, so how he was even on their system is a question mark. He rang them back, they admitted they had no idea how this had happened and he told them they'd be billed for wasting his time The correct attitude and something everyone should do. Your time is valuable. Charge for it.
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