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Verranicus posted:The Roadhog hook nerf was needed. Sorry you won't get undeserved kills anymore. Lol the hook pulling people around stuff always hosed up the landing spot so people wouldn't get kills anyway.
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mm yes the now horribly out of position guy that got hooked will surely escape unscathed
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Jan 11, 2017 18:15
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dogstile posted:Start damage boosting your roadhog when he gets a hook and you'll find she compliments the team very well. Not half as well as a Reaper or McCree standing next to the Roadhog and shooting whoever he hooked! Having two players doing 100% damage is better than having one player do 130% damage while the other player sits around doing 0% damage.
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Jan 11, 2017 18:36
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Apparently PTR Roadhog can one-shot Zarya and the beanpoles more reliably now if he lands the hook. So if the hook no longer breaks all the time maybe he's still good?
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Jan 11, 2017 19:33
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As long as the hook is even remotely functional roadhog will be good.
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Jan 11, 2017 19:34
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Sade posted:As long as the hook is even remotely functional roadhog will be good. Turns out a hero that instantly deletes a player on the enemy team every 8 seconds with no regard for aim or team support is good even if has a 10% failure rate.
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Jan 11, 2017 19:53
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If I don't have to play the guessing game for where my opponent ends up after a hook, I'm good. The feelbads you get when you hook that support and are about to change the tides of battle, only for the support to go over your head and boop you off a cliff instead.
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Jan 11, 2017 19:53
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Mymla posted:Turns out a hero that instantly deletes a player on the enemy team every 8 seconds with no regard for aim or team support is good even if has a 10% failure rate. You have to aim the hook
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Jan 11, 2017 20:18
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Blizz needs to fix/modify reinstancing in 3v3. Not earning the win when a couple of salty fucks leave when they die in a match point round is frustrating.
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Jan 11, 2017 20:29
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Roadhog's spent most of his existence as a mid- or even trash-tier character, exactly as he is now, with the only difference being context. In fairness, this cuts both ways, because even though his current top-tier status is riding on Ana's coattails, a lot of his previous times in the gutter were due to overpowered heroes countering him hard (i.e. FTH, 50% Discord Orb, etc.) But his being strong isn't a sure thing, unlike, say, Reinhardt. Tuxedo Catfish fucked around with this message at 20:57 on Jan 11, 2017 |
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Jan 11, 2017 20:39
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Sade posted:I don't think Hog actually gets any kills with a mercy boost that he doesn't get normally. A perfectly-executed hook combo can 1-hit anything with 250 HP or less, so everybody but the tanks. a 30% boost is taking you from 225 to 293, or 450/585 on a headshot. so a good shot from a boosted hog should kill winston in the melee combo without needing another shot (not sure tho since idk how the armor would affect it), plus you don't need a headshot or a combo to oneshot mei or reaper. it also just makes each shot safer since you don't need as solid a hit to oneshot things; even good hogs will flub the kill shot at times. the boost is also good for shredding rein shields it's not a reason to pick mercy over something else, but you could do a lot worse than damage boosting the roadhog
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Jan 11, 2017 21:16
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Mymla posted:Turns out a hero that instantly deletes a player on the enemy team every 8 seconds with no regard for aim or team support is good even if has a 10% failure rate. They're nerfing Widow that hard? drat, 8 seconds to charge the rifle and it jams every 10th round.
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Jan 11, 2017 22:28
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dogstile posted:Tracer is loving great. An example that's really good was something that happened last night. I was playing roadhog, I was getting a pick off every fight, but they had a soldier and ana combo keeping the rest of the team alive and killing us all. Ya Tracer is super good vs Soldier because even with e you can't duel her because of the insane mobility she has. Even with ult she can manage to get away from you. Whenever there is a good Tracer in the game I just switch to Genji, ignore her and just go for their backline/flank.
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Ulio posted:Ya Tracer is super good vs Soldier because even with e you can't duel her because of the insane mobility she has. Even with ult she can manage to get away from you. Whenever there is a good Tracer in the game I just switch to Genji, ignore her and just go for their backline/flank. I find that a well placed Helix gets most Tracers to back off very quickly.
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Jan 11, 2017 22:42
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Yeah buffed Soldier is more than capable of winning a duel with Tracer. It's much rarer for him to be able to force a duel without her running off, but that's still a win.
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Jan 11, 2017 22:48
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Kuros posted:I find that a well placed Helix gets most Tracers to back off very quickly. Honestly, I'll back off when they're in the healing circle. Not worth the risk. I really don't like soldiers or genjis as tracer.
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Jan 11, 2017 22:48
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The idea is usually to keep people busy while their frontline gets destroyed. It works pretty well, she's a good harasser.
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Jan 11, 2017 22:56
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FAUXTON posted:They're nerfing Widow that hard? drat, 8 seconds to charge the rifle and it jams every 10th round. Widow has to aim.
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Jan 11, 2017 23:11
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Mymla posted:Widow has to aim. And Roadhog does too, or else all the people bitching about Elo hell could simply slampick Roadhog and effortlessly instakill their way into grandmaster, but that doesn't happen.
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Jan 11, 2017 23:59
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FAUXTON posted:They're nerfing Widow that hard? drat, 8 seconds to charge the rifle and it kills her every 10th round. I support this.
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Oddly enough I was playing random heroes in the arcade yesterday and got Widowmaker, and wondered A) why in the world they thought balancing around the fact that you need to aim as her was a good idea as I one-shot every assault and support hero and took out a third of a tank's health, never dying the entire game and ending with the highest damage done and B) why I don't play her more often. I then proceeded to not pick her again since. Also in case you didn't hear yet, they're adjusting Roadhog so his hook connects even when somebody is hiding behind a piece of paper that flew in the Roadhog's face and broke line of sight, and also did what we were talking about earlier and made it so when somebody's hooked, their horizontal velocity is slowed dramatically so they can't jump around corners to break it. They've yet to implement it, but you should see a more balanced hook that doesn't grab around corners nor seem to break randomly.
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Jan 12, 2017 00:06
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Climbed from 640 to to SILVER! Holy gently caress, d.VA and Pharah really feel like hard carries sometimes. I cannot tell you the number of games where I'd be struggling as Ana/Lucio/Rein and I'd just say "FUGGIT" and then wipe their team with my Rocket spam skills ironed from years of Quake/Unreal
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Bust Rodd posted:Climbed from 640 to to SILVER! Holy gently caress, d.VA and Pharah really feel like hard carries sometimes. I cannot tell you the number of games where I'd be struggling as Ana/Lucio/Rein and I'd just say "FUGGIT" and then wipe their team with my Rocket spam skills ironed from years of Quake/Unreal I can tell you Pharah is real good all the way up to Platinum, especially if you can find someone to actually heal you as you rain rockets down on everyone. People really struggle to look up
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Jan 12, 2017 00:25
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I finally rose above my season high, for the first time since being ranked there, so of course Blizzard had to put a stop to it by planting a Widow/Torb main on my team
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Jan 12, 2017 00:28
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:Roadhog's spent most of his existence as a mid- or even trash-tier character, exactly as he is now, with the only difference being context. I mean, except for where they made his hook teleport people right in front of him thus making his short cool down, giant hotbox delete button far more reliable. But yes, no changes to him at all. Why does no bother to remember patch changes?
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Unoriginal Name posted:I mean, except for where they made his hook teleport people right in front of him thus making his short cool down, giant hotbox delete button far more reliable. Except for the fact that hook victims can still wind up behind him, too far away to reliably one-shot, etc. Like the real irony is that once the PTR changes, whatever they eventually settle on, go live that Roadhog's hook whenever it works is going to be much, much more reliable at one-shotting people than it currently is in the state where everyone complains that it's completely broken bullshit.
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I did it I got the healing card as Sombra gently caress you, bad Mercy on my team
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deadwing posted:I did it
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Kai Tave posted:Except for the fact that hook victims can still wind up behind him, too far away to reliably one-shot, etc. Like the real irony is that once the PTR changes, whatever they eventually settle on, go live that Roadhog's hook whenever it works is going to be much, much more reliable at one-shotting people than it currently is in the state where everyone complains that it's completely broken bullshit. I didn't say it is perfect now, it clearly isn't. But it is far, far more consistent now than it was. And it absolutely changed from how he used to be. And the PTR changes are just loving with the pull physics some more. People will adapt to what hooks land and use him appropriately. If they really wanted to nerf him, maybe they should up the cooldown on his stun, which is worth even of the target didn't get pulled at all or change the hotbox of the wonky projectile rather than constantly tuning how the target reacts.
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They didn't want to nerf him, they just wanted to make the hook work in a less weird way.
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Kuros posted:I find that a well placed Helix gets most Tracers to back off very quickly. Imo those are pretty easy to dodge. I feel like its definitely winnable for Solider but it feels like a waste of time. Rather just go mow down their entire frontline instead of trying to land dmg on Tracer.
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soldier has a big advantage in a 1v1 with tracer, but that doesn't really matter and people shouldn't be focusing on specific solo fights as an example for a hero being good/bad. like reaper shuts down winston harder than just about any other hero counter in overwatch but that doesn't mean that winston is bad. hell, winston's been better than reaper more often than he hasn't in general
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Jan 12, 2017 02:56
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Tracer 1v1 carries some weight just because she does often find herself in situations like that.
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Or rather she can force other heroes into that situation if she wants to because she can flank and chase them down. She generally will not have to engage in an unfavourable fight because she can run away.
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the nice thing about tracer is that she can easily initiate or evade any 1v1 she wants. you don't have to fight that soldier if you don't want to
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Jan 12, 2017 03:48
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZs3u4ErcB0 Somebody just did this in the Winter Premier tournament stream and freaked everybody out.
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Theta Zero posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZs3u4ErcB0 Can confirm.
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Manatee Cannon posted:the nice thing about tracer is that she can easily initiate or evade any 1v1 she wants. you don't have to fight that soldier if you don't want to ya thats what I meant normally the tracer will stop chasing you after seeing you healed all her dmg but as soldier its still hard to land hits on a good tracer. Neither end up killing eachother unless Soldier lands helix rockets.
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One of those cool little things that hardly ever happens occurred when I was playing tonight m We're on Oasis Part 2, 6v6 mystery heroes. I got Genji. We're in the capture zone in the gazebo thing, and I'm looking at an enemy Bastion with a friendly Ana behind him. I wait for him to go turret mode, absorb a few rounds and hit reflect. He stops, but Ana fires her sleep dart. Misses, but hits my reflect. I got +25 for sleeping an enemy as Genji 
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